Win2k Poor Framerate?!?

[ColdinfinitiE]

Hi people!

I formatted the other day and went from windows ME to win2k. The install was a smooth process, and i installed every correct driver, service pack 2 and so on. My 3D framerate took a huge hit compared to on ME (which was running like lightning!)......3D mark 2000 and 2001 seemed to be just a little worse, but quake 3 was jerky as hell! Anyone know why this may be???

I installed the latestest via 4 in one drivers minus the agp one
the lastest AMD AGP miniport driver for win2k
nvidia dets 12.40
dx 8 then tried with 8.1
tweaked the hell out of it with nv max.....

If anyone knows anything about this, your help would be much appreciated..

cheers )

Setup
Athlon 1.33@1.5 ghz
ASUS A7M266 BIOS
256mb Crucial PC2100 DDR Ram
Thermoengine Delta 6800
IBM Deskstar 30 gig
Lien Li PC60 with extra sunon fan
Elsa Gladiac Geforce 2 ULTRA
Hercules Gametheatre XP

 

[Lichee]

a search would tell you that W2k+gaming is no good.

I, too, saw a big drop in my fps from ME - W2k. That is why i setup a dual boot.

You might want to do that too or just live with the lower fps. After playing games and using W2k for like 6 months straight, going back to ME was rough. I mean untolerable. I hope they get gaming to run as smooth on XP as 9x.

Lichee

 

[ColdinfinitiE]

Thanks mate!

I think ill go for the dual boot option.....do u think my hard drive is sufficiant.....2 15 gig partitions???

 

[bigbootydaddy]

<< a search would tell you that W2k+gaming is no good. >>


a better search would tell you thats BS. keep trying different settings, driver versions, especially the via's...

WIN NT is optimized for faster application processes...but developers chose not to go it cuz america and the rest of the world is stuck on 98, becuase they have the bad thought of win2k=businesses.

make sure your bios is at agp 4x 64?

 

[ColdinfinitiE]

I see....

My bios is always set to AGPx4 with fastwrites on
and 128mb agp aperture size....
ram at 2-2-2

i dont know what now........

I really prefered the win2k enviroment though.......

One thing I didnt like about win2k was the inability to change IRQ's due to the ACPI configuration....

 

[shOOter9]

Make sure you install the agp via driver aswell...its the one that fixes the slow frame rate and sh!t...make sure you install it in turbo mode. Good luck

 

[Lichee]

lol bootydaddy...you shot me down twice! actually, I do recall teh voodoo5 scaling well with higher processors....so u might be right there, BUT gaming is noticeably slower in a w2k setup. I, for one, notice a slowdown in CS compared to a 9x kernel. Although, I'm sure there are other games out there that dont take as much of a performance hit. But lots of benchmarks out there ive seen show drops. oh well...

Lichee

 

[ColdinfinitiE]

the ASUSA7M266 only needs 3 via drivers as it uses the AMD761 chipset. The AGP driver I have to get from AMD..

 

[ColdinfinitiE]

I have heard that athlons perform considerably worse than Intel chips in win2k.....but I also hear the gap has closed a little....

 

[bigbootydaddy]

what about that amd win2k patch??

ill admit it takes time to get win2k running at win98 specs but it is very possible.

edit: sorry my flame gun trigger finger is getting antsy.

 

[ColdinfinitiE]

damn im gonna reformat and try the amd patch! It just seems that many users favour win2k......so it must be possible for good 3d performance...especially with a graphics card that cost me 300 quid! hehe

 

[Lichee]

np BBD.

btw cold, i would definitely take w2k over ME if i could only use one OS. W2k is much more stable and has a better feel to it. it is more robust

Lichee

 

[dadx2mj]

Maybe people think Win2K is for buisness and not gaming because that is what Microsoft says about it.

 

[ColdinfinitiE]

lol....maybe i should just download linux! )

 

[bozo1]

Don't forget that NT and W2K does not allow applications direct access to hardware. These type applications, games included, will always be a bit slower on W2K due to this.

 

[afropick]

I laugh at those who say Win2k is slower!
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I actually get a few more fps in Quake3 in Win2k than I did in Win98!

ColdinfinitiE, did you re-install Quake3? If so did you install the newest point release? 1.29f is the latest. 1.27h (which you have to install after 1.29g) was also very good. They both drastically improve framerates.

I went from 85fps @ 800x600x32 to 120fps @ 800x600x32 with 1.27h &amp; 1.29f.

Also, have you set up com_hunkmegs, com_soundmegs, com_zonemegs, etc.?

I bet you just have to do a little more tweaking because, from my experience, I have to agree with bigbootydaddy and say that Win2k=bad for gaming is hogwash!

 

[pyr]

you can change your IRQs in win2k by changing the 'Computer' in the device manager to 'Standard PC' that will allow you to get your IRQs in order, which is much much nicer, and a bit faster too.

 

[frankroh]

Don't forget to get the SP2 for Win2k. It supposedly has fixes for a lot of issues with peripherrals.

I've been using Win2k for about a year and I have no problems -- performance or FPS -- when running games. Memory protection, easy network setup and no DOS limitations (memory, HD, bus, etc) are reasons enough to dump Win9x/ME.

Got XP loaded on my test box at work. I'll have to come in over the weekend and see how it does gaming-wise.

 

[ColdinfinitiE]

right, last night split my hard drive into two 14.5 gig partitions. win ME on one, Just installed win2k on the other.....ill try all the suggestions tonight and see what happens thanks guys!

p.s

'Also, have you set up com_hunkmegs, com_soundmegs, com_zonemegs, etc.?'

im not too sure what these are!?!? )


anyone using or have used XP???

 

[frankroh]

Got XP loaded at work and at home (RC1.) Using it as we speak, or literally as the computer speaks (I'm trying out the text reader in XP.)

Played some UT on it and here are some FPS results:

Res Win2K XP
--------------- ------ ------
800x600 (32bit) 85 84
1024x768 (16bit) 75 75
1024x768 (32bit) 58 60

Basically no difference between Win2K and XP. My rig has 1.5Ghz Athlon, 256MB DDR, and GeForce256.

 

[frankroh]

I guess Win98 should have been included on the test for a more informative test but didn't want to install it on a already crowded computer with Win2k, XP and LINUX....

 

[ColdinfinitiE]

ive been looking around for winXP on IRC.......maybe ill find it tonight. There are so many different leaked beta versions tho! i thikn bete 2495 is the latest ive seen.

I downloaded internet explorer beta 2495 from m3dzone.com.....a nice new pastel shaded icon and some new prompts...mmmmm

anyway.....i will proceed with the win2k optimisation tonight!

 

[ColdinfinitiE]

i tried 'everything'!!

in the end at a last gasp attempt i tried the nvidia refresh rate fix.....and it worked!! woohoo performance easily on par with win98!!!

 

[frankroh]

Refresh rate fix? Is it for Win2k? Haven't heard about it....

 

[ColdinfinitiE]

yeah, its for win2000. I can send u it if you want....cant remember where i got it..