Question Win10 v2004 Cumulative Update KB4565503 & .NET Framework KB4565627 is a Killer

[Z15CAM]

My system updated successfully on 7/14/2020. Now a day later 7/15/2020 the updates keep downloading a try's to reinstall unsuccessfully - Reports are that these two Win10 2004 updates are completely bricking systems.

Lucky I have a Macrium WinPE backup image made just prior to this MS fiasco so I can wait and see what happens ;o)

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Finally got .NET Framework KB4565627 to successfully install but I'm still nagged with Win10 v2004 KB4565503 insisting to install and will not do it successfully yet it installed successfully on 7/16/2020. Why would it want to keep looping Win10 v2004 KB4565503 upgrade.

There's definitely a Bug with the Win10 Cumulative 2004 update. I'm through playing with it for now. There are lots of complaints online about this update bricking systems.

Over then next few days, I plan to overwrite the system with my WinPE June 21st backup and give this Win10 v2004 KB4565503 upgrade another go.

Other for that Update BUG the system is working great.

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GEEZ! Ran Disk Cleanup and rebooted - It BRICKED the system.

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I'm back on my pre Win10 v2004 June 21st system and Win10 auto update is running ;o(
Let see what happens ?

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Well I'm back on Win10 v2004 with KB4565627, KB4561600 successfully installed.
Ran check for updates to insure that the system is indeed up to date.
Opened Defender to ensure my exclusion are noted
Ran Defender quick scan.
Enabled the Sound Mixer and reconfigured my Audio and Scrn-Capture apps.
Rebooted and make a registry Backup.

I'm somewhat hesitant running Disk Cleanup as there may lay the BUG ?


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[Z15CAM]

It's now 6 O'Clock in the morning - Hope I don't have to go through this mess again after I run Disk Cleanup.

I did run Disk Cleanup with a full house cleaning rebooted and ran CCleaner cleaned out Windows logs, Windows Temp, User Temp, Software Distribution Download, rebooted and did a registry backup - All seems good for the time being with Check for Updates showing Up to Date.

I not going to make a WinPE image backup for awhile just in case Windows Update goes NUTS again.

 

[RLGL]

That update is the first time in years I have ad an issue. It screwed up my Office Apps. A reinstall of office was the cure. Post on the MS Feedback forum

 

[Z15CAM]

I knew my OS was somewhat dirty at the time the MS System Update striked but I had no choice but to run the OS update. That could have caused issues if the registry was not clean and I had NOT run my Protection apps like Defender, Malwarebytes, Stinger and MS Malicious tool before hand ?

I am a rather a reckless OS Nerd because I always keep an updated clean System Image separate for the system using the old 1.32 MB Ghost.EXE Dos boot or Macrium Reflect ;o)

RLGL: Your Office may have screwed up but my Windows update screwed up ;o)

My Office 2019 Pro was intact.

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My present platform is a an ASUS 470X CH7 Hero, AMD 3700X with 32GBG's of T-Force Dark Pro 3200 Mhz CL14 with an ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro NMVe Pcie boot drive. Of course I have other Sata SSD's drives in Raid-0 for a Playground and TB's of storage for captured media stored on a Black Western Digital spinner HDD. She's no wimp. I listen to Buildzoid when tweaking the BIOS. Personally, I hate Asus with their latest BIOS as they sacrificed DOS emulation space for RGB crap . That's another story; but, having to use Macruim Reflect is only reason why I'm forced into a Win Boot Vs a Dos Boot because of the latest ASUS BIOS's fails to recognize satellite drives when booting DOS Ghost.exe. Doesn't mean you can't back your primary drive but you can't backup secondary drives with a DOS boot and running Ghost.exe . After all Windows GUI is opened with a DOS Boot ;o)The Latest ASUS BIOS's stole 1/2 my DOS Power and replaced it with RGB crap ;o(

Every Mainboard and Operating System I know of boots through DOS. DOS and very Powerful. What a Back door ;o) Expect a Macruim Reflect WinPE shortly becsause of the MS Win10 2004 update There's NO updates for DOS. DOS is DOS.

I like to Edit and Video Encode - When I have the time apart from maintaining Windows 10 ;o)

 

[RLGL]

QUOTE="Z15CAM, post: 40225846, member: 284061"]
RLGL: Your Office may have screwed up but my Windows update screwed up ;o)
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Google the KB number, many issues with this update.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Hmm, interesting.

I noticed a day or two ago, my main rig (running Win10 64-bit Pro 2004), had installed Win10 CU for 2020-07 and Net frameworks, and wanted to restart. So I did. It did something, restarted, and then when it came back on, it had a second phase, and said "Cleaning Up". (Not "Updating"). I have NEVER seen that message before, on the blue update screen with the looping circular dots.

Now, perhaps it was also cleaning up the previous 1909 version of Win10 (Windows.old) that was left on my drive, I've heard that it gets automagically cleaned up after 30 days. That could be the explanation.

Or maybe, there's something different (nefarious?) about the 2020-07 C.U. for Win10 2004? Inquiring minds want to know!

Edit: My main rig hasn't tried to re-install that update repeatedly though, like Z15CAM seems to be reporting.

 

[Z15CAM]

I posted this thread in real time while my system was up and running.

Hopefully, I'm out of the mess ;o)

Note my previous Post:

Question - Hate WinX System Over-Writes and it's Defender!

1st of all the System over-write disables your Sound Mixer and deletes any Sound profiles you have. Screws up any sound recording app you have like Audition, I-Sound or say a Screen Video Capture App. 2nd: Defender goes rampant and blocks Apps like Adobe Audition, HardwareMonitor Pro...

forums.anandtech.com

Perhaps RLGL, JEDIYoda and piokos where correct when I started to see issues after the MS Win10 upgrade to v2004. They said it was botched Installation.

I refuted them because the upgrade reported a Successful Install at the time.

Then more Hell broke loose, which brings me here.

Sorry Guy's ;o)

A hell of a lot of work over a 2 day span to save Win10 over that Win10 v2004 MS Upgrade OS and can't say I'm out of the water yet ;o(

Constantly running Check for Windows Updates and reports I'm still up to date - So far ?

Can't say I will be back after being wiped out in 20 minutes after this MS fiasco.

Goodbye and Farewell. Just downed a Micky of Scotch. I'm in need of sleep.

Hope this thread is a read for some of you NERD's.

 

[Iron Woode]

Hmm, interesting.

I noticed a day or two ago, my main rig (running Win10 64-bit Pro 2004), had installed Win10 CU for 2020-07 and Net frameworks, and wanted to restart. So I did. It did something, restarted, and then when it came back on, it had a second phase, and said "Cleaning Up". (Not "Updating"). I have NEVER seen that message before, on the blue update screen with the looping circular dots.

Now, perhaps it was also cleaning up the previous 1909 version of Win10 (Windows.old) that was left on my drive, I've heard that it gets automagically cleaned up after 30 days. That could be the explanation.

Or maybe, there's something different (nefarious?) about the 2020-07 C.U. for Win10 2004? Inquiring minds want to know!

Edit: My main rig hasn't tried to re-install that update repeatedly though, like Z15CAM seems to be reporting.

I was getting the same issue with Win Update erroring out on that update.

I just went and downloaded the correct update from MS and installed it. Rebooted and did a win update and everything is fine.

 

[Kaido]

I'm somewhat hesitant running Disk Cleanup as there may lay the BUG ?

Just do a Macrium image backup & then try it out. I setup all of my systems like this:

1. Windows 10 boot drive + Macrium Boot Menu option
2. Full image backup somewhere (internal backup drive, USB drive, NAS, whatever you can easily access)
3. USB recovery media (just in case the boot menu option goofs, I'm not hosed)

Do your backup, run your test, if it breaks, restore your backup from the boot menu & backup location.

I've had a lot of issues with 2004. Not a great rollout, Microsoft.

 

[Z15CAM]

Well made a Macrium Reflect WinPE Image backup of the Win10 v2004 OS today.

Not before I ran another Full Disk Cleanup. On reboot I got a Check Disk run which fixed something and when booted got this error loading Windows: Windows cannot find 'Program Files\WindowsApps\MicrosoftSkypeApp_15.61.100.0_86_kzf8qxf38zq5c\Skype\Skype.exe'. Make sure you have typed the name correctly, and then try again.

So Skype.exe mysteriously disappeared from the Windows App directory and guess what you can't access that directory to inspect it.

I went to Window Settings/apps/startup, and Disabled Skype.

System rebooted just fine without the Error.

I then decided to Uninstall Skype from the MS Store - Click on WIN + I/Apps/click Skype and uninstall.

Rebooted with no issues than ran Disk Cleanup and CCleaner again and rebooted clean and made my Win10 v2004 Macrium Reflect Image backup.

I'm not a Skype user and don't care if the public Skype app is on my System. If you want to run Public Skype download it from Skype.com and screw the the Win10 Store Apps which is nothing but a pain with advertising.

I honestly believe the Win10 v2004 update has issues with corrupt installations particularly with MS Update, Defender and Disk Cleanup.

I can't say if I'm gong to try this again a 3 time ?

I see the MS has removed the stand-alone package for this update in their Catalog website. http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4560366 .

Perhaps I will be doing it a 3 time ;o(

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I sincerely hope you a clean isolated 3rd party backup image like Macrium Reflect, Acronis or DOS GHOST.EXE prior to this Update to play with.

MS is issuing new Defender virus Dats every hour right now collecting Data so to repair the damage.

One check to do is that you don't possibly have a corrupted system is to engage Programs and Features/Turn Window feature On or Off - If it OPEN's "BLANK" your system is due for system update over-write or you may have to start all over.

 

[Iron Woode]

Well made a Macrium Reflect WinPE Image backup of the Win10 v2004 OS today.

Not before I ran another Full Disk Cleanup. On reboot I got a Check Disk run which fixed something and when booted got this error loading Windows: Windows cannot find 'Program Files\WindowsApps\MicrosoftSkypeApp_15.61.100.0_86_kzf8qxf38zq5c\Skype\Skype.exe'. Make sure you have typed the name correctly, and then try again.

So Skype.exe mysteriously disappeared from the Windows App directory and guess what you can't access that directory to inspect it.

I went to Window Settings/apps/startup, and Disabled Skype.

System rebooted just fine without the Error.

I then decided to Uninstall Skype from the MS Store - Click on WIN + I/Apps/click Skype and uninstall.

Rebooted with no issues than ran Disk Cleanup and CCleaner again and rebooted clean and made my Win10 v2004 Macrium Reflect Image backup.

I'm not a Skype user and don't care if the public Skype app is on my System. If you want to run Public Skype download it from Skype.com and screw the the Win10 Store Apps which is nothing but a pain with advertising.

I honestly believe the Win10 v2004 update has issues with corrupt installations particularly with MS Update, Defender and Disk Cleanup.

I can't say if I'm gong to try this again a 3 time ?

I see the MS has removed the stand-alone package for this update in their Catalog website. http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4560366 .

Perhaps I will be doing it a 3 time ;o(

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I sincerely hope you a clean isolated 3rd party backup image like Macrium Reflect, Acronis or DOS GHOST.EXE prior to this Update to play with.

MS is issuing new Defender virus Dats every hour right now collecting Data so that figure how to repair the damage.

One check to do is that you don't possibly have a corrupted system is to engage Programs and Features/Turn Window feature On or Off - If it OPEN's "BLANK" your system is due for system update over-write or you may have to start all over.

you mean this one, 3rd from the top?

Microsoft Update Catalog

 

[Z15CAM]

Iron Woodie: Amazing that link is working - I would not trust it right now.

However; I did download it - Something to play with ;o)

However I do get a notice with that downloadload "windows10.0-kb4565503-x64_db6e183196b0c394a7fa3be6e8fd26544c6dc9ce.msu" saying" the requested security information is either unavailable or can't be displayed." It's only 268 MB's - Something is really rotten in Denmark with MS right now.

BIG thunder Storm coming in right now. Will have power off or risk brown out damage - Thanks for the info ;o)

Did get it though. Running it I get notice: Windows Stand alone Installer - Update for Windows (KB4565503) is already installed on this computer (So the installer is not an Over-Write) when executed - Will attempt to run it off line on my Pre-v2004 version and see what happens - Still think the update is a piece of "*&^%" ;o)

Will run Offline manually on my Pre-Win10 2004 OS in this order:
1st install: kb4565503
2nd install: kb4565627
3rd install: kb4561600

and see what happens - I really do not expect any changes in the chaos !

Debating if I should disable Defender during the process ?

Right now everything is working fine and I got a clean Macruim WinPE image but I just gotta prove to myself that MS really screwed up on this Win10 system v2004 update, considering all the crap this update has put me though ;o)

I would like to have an update flow seamlessly without any hick ups - There is just too many hick ups in this update for me to feel comfortable and that I may have a a compromised system; after all, the 1st report from MS, after their forced online system update was reported as a SUCCESS - AS IF !

 

[RLGL]

I did get the update too install by removing all USB devices prior to the installation process. GL, YMMV

 

[MtnMan]

2004 broke all my drive mappings to other W10 machines. Other machines with drives mapped to the 2004 machine were still accessible.

Restored Windows to 1909, all good.

 

[Iron Woode]

Iron Woodie: Amazing that link is working - I would not trust it right now.

However; I did download it - Something to play with ;o)

However I do get a notice with that downloadload "windows10.0-kb4565503-x64_db6e183196b0c394a7fa3be6e8fd26544c6dc9ce.msu" saying" the requested security information is either unavailable or can't be displayed." It's only 268 MB's - Something is really rotten in Denmark with MS right now.

BIG thunder Storm coming in right now. Will have power off or risk brown out damage - Thanks for the info ;o)

Did get it though. Running it I get notice: Windows Stand alone Installer - Update for Windows (KB4565503) is already installed on this computer (So the installer is not an Over-Write) when executed - Will attempt to run it off line on my Pre-v2004 version and see what happens - Still think the update is a piece of "*&^%" ;o)

Will run Offline manually on my Pre-Win10 2004 OS in this order:
1st install: kb4565503
2nd install: kb4565627
3rd install: kb4561600

and see what happens - I really do not expect any changes in the chaos !

Debating if I should disable Defender during the process ?

Right now everything is working fine and I got a clean Macruim WinPE image but I just gotta prove to myself that MS really screwed up on this Win10 system v2004 update, considering all the crap this update has put me though ;o)

I would like to have an update flow seamlessly without any hick ups - There is just too many hick ups in this update for me to feel comfortable and that I may have a a compromised system; after all, the 1st report from MS, after their forced online system update was reported as a SUCCESS - AS IF !

I installed that cumulative update and it worked flawlessly.

The windows update error that I was getting disappeared after installing that update. I have had no other issues since.

That was my experience. Other people may have issues.

 

[Kaido]

I installed that cumulative update and it worked flawlessly.

The windows update error that I was getting disappeared after installing that update. I have had no other issues since.

That was my experience. Other people may have issues.

2004 has been hit & miss for me in general. Some people get lots of random bugs & performance issues. I ran into wireless issues on my personal machine, for example. Had some users with weird printing issues, Office issues, etc. As of last week there were over a dozen known errors in 2004:

[Updated] And It Begins... All the Windows 10 v2004 Known Issues Confirmed by Microsoft Itself

Windows 10 Bugs: Here is the complete list of Windows 10 version 2004, May 2020 Update, known issues acknowledged by Microsoft itself.

wccftech.com

Which is funny because their new leadership was supposed to resolve the botched-rollout issue:

Who Will Fix the Broken Windows 10 Update System? Panos Panay to the Rescue

Who Will Fix the Incessant Botched Windows 10 Updates? Microsoft's Panos Panay to the Rescue as the Company Merges Software & Hardware

wccftech.com

Instead, it appears to have been rushed to market...already live with tons of bugs. For the people affected, Windows 10 hasn't felt this buggy since pretty much release. Got some BSOD's too, haven't seen those in awhile haha!

 

[Iron Woode]

2004 has been hit & miss for me in general. Some people get lots of random bugs & performance issues. I ran into wireless issues on my personal machine, for example. Had some users with weird printing issues, Office issues, etc. As of last week there were over a dozen known errors in 2004:

[Updated] And It Begins... All the Windows 10 v2004 Known Issues Confirmed by Microsoft Itself

Windows 10 Bugs: Here is the complete list of Windows 10 version 2004, May 2020 Update, known issues acknowledged by Microsoft itself.

wccftech.com

Which is funny because their new leadership was supposed to resolve the botched-rollout issue:

Who Will Fix the Broken Windows 10 Update System? Panos Panay to the Rescue

Who Will Fix the Incessant Botched Windows 10 Updates? Microsoft's Panos Panay to the Rescue as the Company Merges Software & Hardware

wccftech.com

Instead, it appears to have been rushed to market...already live with tons of bugs. For the people affected, Windows 10 hasn't felt this buggy since pretty much release. Got some BSOD's too, haven't seen those in awhile haha!

I agree. Every update has risks.

The 2004 update worked fine for me. The cumulative update worked fine for me.

I have had updates cause problems many times before. Maybe MS will find fixes for these issues? I hope so.

 

[Igo69]

Is this a joke! Seem like after the last update or two I can't open Display Settings, any one have the same issue and have a fix?

 

[Kaido]

Is this a joke! Seem like after the last update or two I can't open Display Settings, any one have the same issue and have a fix?

Does it give you any kind of error message?

 

[Igo69]

No message , i tried to go through windows settings typing in search "display" then clicking on one of the the results then it just freezes.

When i try to open from windows screen by right clicking my mouse then Display Settings it opens up a window in blue color with gear icon in the middle and then nothing happens.

 

[Z15CAM]

As I said the forced July 7th Win 10 v2004 online update install was a horror for me. It corrupted MS Update, Defender, Sound, Disk Cleanup and a few apps that where not excluded by defender that should not have been - Totally corrupted my system.

Pure CRAP ;o(

Work around was to down the 3 Update KB's and install them manually off line onto a previous version of Windows 10 from a 3rd party Backup Image by Macrium Reflect or say Acronis or a DOS Ghost.EXE image.

So far so Good; BUT, I'm still not convinced ?

Wished we still owned our own OS as with Win7 and not as a subservient renting peasant under Win 10.

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PS: Roll you eye's over this thread Virtual Larry ;o)