Win XP SP2 incomplete version released?

[FinalFantasy]

There was a discussion going on about XP Release 2 , which is due to come out pretty soon and one of my points was: (The post has been slightly edited from the original found in the link)
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"Might as well call XP R2, SP2

Well IMO XP R2 is the real SP2 + XP Reloaded. Really when you think about it, SP2 was not ready to be released due to it's major flaws, glitches, bugs etc but XP SP1 was getting slammed by all these new and old viruses, worms and malware that they had to release something to "calm" the situation down...they were not trying to "fix" it. So they released "SP2", which I guarantee was still in it's beta stages, but near being completed. M$ was feeling the heat from XP users, the media and even the M$ execs and they had to do something to make everyone "happy". While SP2 took care of a lot of security problems, it caused a lot of software incompatiblities and screwed up a lot of systems. M$ response was..."Well that happens when you have a "major" update/upgrade to a OS...it's a "normal" thing for there to be imcompatiblities and bugs", while all along they knew the real story behing SP2's problems. While it IS true a new OS will have bugs, everyone was "happy" with SP2, becuase while their software apps etc were still screwing up, but at least their system was "more secure".

My hats off to M$ on a wonderful job done on buying some more time (how long has it been since release of "SP2"?) to work on completing the real SP2, scewing with people's heads and getting them selves out of a $h)tty situation and still look good, and they are probably going to make money out of it in the end!

That's why XP R2 is not even called XP Reloaded anymore...because I bet that XP R2 is the "real" SP2 + XP Reloaded. What do you think?".
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This is just a brief overview of the situation IMO, but what do you think...agree or disagree or a combination of both?

 

[MrChad]

1. Microsoft is abbreviated MS
2. SP2 WAS ready to be released, and software vendors (whose buggy software is the cause of most SP2-related issues) were given MORE than ample time to test their products with it. I would venture to guess that SP2 was the most thoroughly tested service pack Microsoft has released.
3. That news article was so vague that it's impossible to speculate as to what "XP R2" will be.

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: MrChad
1. Microsoft is abbreviated MS
2. SP2 WAS ready to be released, and software vendors (whose buggy software is the cause of most SP2-related issues) were given MORE than ample time to test their products with it. I would venture to guess that SP2 was the most thoroughly tested service pack Microsoft has released.
3. That news article was so vague that it's impossible to speculate as to what "XP R2" will be.

Highly agree- "SP2 broke my system waaaaahhh!" posts = :thumbsdown:
So SP2 plugged some holes and now "X" app doesn't work anymore - who's fault is that? Of course, it must be Microsoft's, as they plugged the holes waaahh! No-one blames the software companies for writing insecure code that breaks when Microsoft remove the little loopholes that they use.

 

[FinalFantasy]

Originally posted by: MrChad
1. Microsoft is abbreviated MS
2. SP2 WAS ready to be released, and software vendors (whose buggy software is the cause of most SP2-related issues) were given MORE than ample time to test their products with it. I would venture to guess that SP2 was the most thoroughly tested service pack Microsoft has released.
3. That news article was so vague that it's impossible to speculate as to what "XP R2" will be.

1. MS, M$, Microsoft...same stuff man.
2. I doubt SP2 was ready to be released because at the time "M$" had just said SP2 was not going to be release for another "couple of/few weeks" and then all of a sudden SP2 was ready for download or order on CD a few days later. They knew that in a "couple of/few weeks", that SP2 still would not be ready and that there was not going to be that much improvement from the version they had then to the version they would have in a "couple of/few weeks" and also who knows what kind of security hole someone would find in SP1 or what kind of virus/worm would come out in the next "couple of/few weeks", so they released the incomplete version of SP2 as a fail safe/smoke screen.
3. Yes the article is vague, but you can make your own opinion the matter, right? Or should I call you GWB...hehe jk...I love Bush.

 

[stash]

M$ is an IFS drive mapping for Exchange.

As far as the rest of that post, I really can't understand most of it, except that you are under the impression there are 'major flaws' with SP2.

 

[MrChad]

M$

 

[FinalFantasy]

Originally posted by: MrChad
M$

hehe...pretty funny.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: MrChad
M$

haha, you read penny arcade.

Anyways, Service Pack 2 is a service pack, it's normal for it to break some things. All in all it's fairly decent as MS goes.

This Windows XP "reloaded" (which they are now calling a marketing push, and not a OS) is something they've been talking about for a while.

It's trying to drum up excitement for Windows. Microsoft always figures that people love them and just jump up and down for joy when they are given a opertunity to buy their software, like it was for Windows 95.

Then they paid a study and were shocked to learn that nobody gives a crap about Microsoft generally and Windows XP specificly. They use it because they have too, not because they want too.

It's not that they disliked it, they just didn't care.

So combined with the security risks getting worse and worse each year for MS doesn't help. Even after their promised security "trusted computing" stuff it's still getting worse and at a accelerated rate. Now you have full-scale mafia-type criminal orginizations cropping up trying to scam people left and right on the internet. (phishing attempts, nigerian mail scams, spyware, hyjacked browsers, etc, etc.) it's not helping to inspire confidence.

Microsoft makes the vast majority of their money from Office and Windows. Everything they else do is mediocre. But it's still enough from Windows/Office to make them incredibly profitable.

Trouble is is that when you have 95% of a given market, and you are not very good at spreading at other markets investors don't look to kindly at your stocks anymore. That's why some big companies like Enron self-destruct. (not that MS is another enron, don't misunderstand me)

Enron is a company that showed high profitablity for years and years. They started trading electricity like a commodity and were making everybody filthy rich from it. They grew at a high rate for years and years, and eventually they ran out of room to grow! Investors like seeing growth, if you have had 20% growth for 20 years, and eventually you hit 0% growth it doesn't look good.... So they started doing weird things like trying to sell ski resorts "global warming" futures incase their snow melts away. Very Weird and flaky stuff, their investments in new technology and strange new markets were not paying off, so they got desperate and blew up.

That's a extreme example, and Enron put a bullet in their head by the tax scams and such (which I don't beleive for a second that Microsoft is doing).

But in the investors eyes it's not to hot. People know that newer versions of Office only have new features that they generally don't understand, don't care about, and don't ever plan on using. It's been nearly six years since they released a Windows OS, and everybody who is going to own a Windows XP operating system, owns a Windows XP operating system. Microsoft has been doing well by selling contracts with companies that go along the lines of "We will buy new liscences we need for the next 3 years now, but at a big discount", but that's beginning to dry up a bit.

That's what the investor payback thing MS did lately was, they have big cash reserves and have begin putting that money back into the stock and allowing new stock options and such that will make investers more money in the short term. It's probably also why they dropped a bunch of promised features out of Longhorn to get it out on a 2006 deadline (they were looking at 2007/2008 otherwise).

And it's what this Windows XP release 2 is about. They probably haven't completely decided to release it as a optional upgrade, or release it to retail shelves only, or release it as a paid upgrade. Testing the waters so-to-say, see how well people respond to it. You see, they are trying to get people talking about it, and keep people interested in it.

I figure it'll be free, I figure its a marketing tool to try to convince the older Windows 2000 retail owners to pony up for a Windows XP upgrade, and keep techy people going with new features. eye candy, and technology until they can start selling longhorn liscences.

and as far as SP2 "being fake", that's just plain bullsh1t.

 

[FinalFantasy]

Drag:

I see you talked about a lot of stuff, but did not hit the topic but once or twice. Thanks for sharing your opinion though ;D

 

[FinalFantasy]

BTW...I'm not just saying R2 is only the complete version of SP2. I think it IS XP Reloaded, but they incorporated the missing elements that were supposed to have been released with SP2, and that those "missing elements" were major ones and because those major features/updates were missing from SP2, we are seeing a lot of problems w/SP2 that should not have been there. (e.g. http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.aspx?i=23230 )

 

[Nothinman]

So SP2 plugged some holes and now "X" app doesn't work anymore - who's fault is that? Of course, it must be Microsoft's, as they plugged the holes waaahh! No-one blames the software companies for writing insecure code that breaks when Microsoft remove the little loopholes that they use.

They did manage to break port scanners which is a grey area because they can be used maliciously, but being that I'm in security I sort of need them and waiting 10x as long for a scan to complete isn't acceptable. I believe nmap works around this with WinPCAP now but whether or not MS fixed a real problem is debatable.

 

[spherrod]

SP2 was ready to be released, as Drag said the Reloaded edition will just be a marketing exercise. I have now updated several hundred systems without an issue for SP2 so consider it to be very stable with little or no issues on correctly configured systems.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Okay, OP, where can I buy your Ultimate Perfectly Secure OS that Never Has Security Issues? :roll:

Cash in hand waiting, and it's going to stay here, along with the pile that's allocated to "If you actually get money from Bill Gates for forwarding his email, I'll match it."

Here's a short one-act play called "MS, the Hacker, and the Whiny Fvcking Bitch of a no0b User."

MS: *issues SP2*
Hacker: Damn, so much for those holes. Let's fine some new ones. *hackety-hack* Cool, got one.
User: Wah, wah, wah, this OS is insecure because they fixed a few thousand security holes and left these brand-new undiscovered ones that hadn't been exploited yet!
MS: Damn hackers. *issues a patch* Here you go, user.
User: :heart: thx *installs*
Hacker: Balls. That was fun while it lasted. *hackety-hackety-hack* Hey, another one.
User: OMGWTFBBQ STOOPID M$ YU0 DIDN'T FIX0R IT!!1!!1!1!
MS: Dude, chill. We didn't KNOW about this one. If we did, we would have fixed it. Have a patch. *issues*
User: Grumble grumble whine on forums. *installs*
Hacker: Sigh. One man's war. *hackety-hackety-hackety-hack* Finally, there's some obscure exploitable code. Took me awhile, but I got it.
User: OMGOMGOMG M$ IS TEH BIG SUX! MEH SYSTEM H@$ B33N TEH PWN0R3D! U SUX!!!!1!1!eleventy-one!1!!!1
MS: STFU already! He had to dig for weeks to get that! Here a fvcking patch you simpering pussy! *issues* And we're working on another core update!
User: OMG YU0 SHULD HAV GIVN TEH NU CORE 2 US NOW WTF WTF SCAMMER U SUX I R TEH L33T0R THAN Y00!
MS: *desperate sigh*
Hacker: *hugs MS* it's okay dude, have a :beer:

- M4H

 

[spherrod]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Okay, OP, where can I buy your Ultimate Perfectly Secure OS that Never Has Security Issues? :roll:

Cash in hand waiting, and it's going to stay here, along with the pile that's allocated to "If you actually get money from Bill Gates for forwarding his email, I'll match it."

Here's a short one-act play called "MS, the Hacker, and the Whiny Fvcking Bitch of a no0b User."

MS: *issues SP2*
Hacker: Damn, so much for those holes. Let's fine some new ones. *hackety-hack* Cool, got one.
User: Wah, wah, wah, this OS is insecure because they fixed a few thousand security holes and left these brand-new undiscovered ones that hadn't been exploited yet!
MS: Damn hackers. *issues a patch* Here you go, user.
User: :heart: thx *installs*
Hacker: Balls. That was fun while it lasted. *hackety-hackety-hack* Hey, another one.
User: OMGWTFBBQ STOOPID M$ YU0 DIDN'T FIX0R IT!!1!!1!1!
MS: Dude, chill. We didn't KNOW about this one. If we did, we would have fixed it. Have a patch. *issues*
User: Grumble grumble whine on forums. *installs*
Hacker: Sigh. One man's war. *hackety-hackety-hackety-hack* Finally, there's some obscure exploitable code. Took me awhile, but I got it.
User: OMGOMGOMG M$ IS TEH BIG SUX! MEH SYSTEM H@$ B33N TEH PWN0R3D! U SUX!!!!1!1!eleventy-one!1!!!1
MS: STFU already! He had to dig for weeks to get that! Here a fvcking patch you simpering pussy! *issues* And we're working on another core update!
User: OMG YU0 SHULD HAV GIVN TEH NU CORE 2 US NOW WTF WTF SCAMMER U SUX I R TEH L33T0R THAN Y00!
MS: *desperate sigh*
Hacker: *hugs MS* it's okay dude, have a :beer:

- M4H

:thumbsup:

 

[dawks]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Okay, OP, where can I buy your Ultimate Perfectly Secure OS that Never Has Security Issues? :roll:

Cash in hand waiting, and it's going to stay here, along with the pile that's allocated to "If you actually get money from Bill Gates for forwarding his email, I'll match it."

Here's a short one-act play called "MS, the Hacker, and the Whiny Fvcking Bitch of a no0b User."

MS: *issues SP2*
Hacker: Damn, so much for those holes. Let's fine some new ones. *hackety-hack* Cool, got one.
User: Wah, wah, wah, this OS is insecure because they fixed a few thousand security holes and left these brand-new undiscovered ones that hadn't been exploited yet!
MS: Damn hackers. *issues a patch* Here you go, user.
User: :heart: thx *installs*
Hacker: Balls. That was fun while it lasted. *hackety-hackety-hack* Hey, another one.
User: OMGWTFBBQ STOOPID M$ YU0 DIDN'T FIX0R IT!!1!!1!1!
MS: Dude, chill. We didn't KNOW about this one. If we did, we would have fixed it. Have a patch. *issues*
User: Grumble grumble whine on forums. *installs*
Hacker: Sigh. One man's war. *hackety-hackety-hackety-hack* Finally, there's some obscure exploitable code. Took me awhile, but I got it.
User: OMGOMGOMG M$ IS TEH BIG SUX! MEH SYSTEM H@$ B33N TEH PWN0R3D! U SUX!!!!1!1!eleventy-one!1!!!1
MS: STFU already! He had to dig for weeks to get that! Here a fvcking patch you simpering pussy! *issues* And we're working on another core update!
User: OMG YU0 SHULD HAV GIVN TEH NU CORE 2 US NOW WTF WTF SCAMMER U SUX I R TEH L33T0R THAN Y00!
MS: *desperate sigh*
Hacker: *hugs MS* it's okay dude, have a :beer:

- M4H

:thumbsup::beer:

I dont think most people have a clue what 'XP Reloaded' is.. I don't.. Unless you've been to a MS Exec meeting I doubt you do either.

 

[spyordie007]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Okay, OP, where can I buy your Ultimate Perfectly Secure OS that Never Has Security Issues? :roll:

Cash in hand waiting, and it's going to stay here, along with the pile that's allocated to "If you actually get money from Bill Gates for forwarding his email, I'll match it."

Here's a short one-act play called "MS, the Hacker, and the Whiny Fvcking Bitch of a no0b User."

MS: *issues SP2*
Hacker: Damn, so much for those holes. Let's fine some new ones. *hackety-hack* Cool, got one.
User: Wah, wah, wah, this OS is insecure because they fixed a few thousand security holes and left these brand-new undiscovered ones that hadn't been exploited yet!
MS: Damn hackers. *issues a patch* Here you go, user.
User: :heart: thx *installs*
Hacker: Balls. That was fun while it lasted. *hackety-hackety-hack* Hey, another one.
User: OMGWTFBBQ STOOPID M$ YU0 DIDN'T FIX0R IT!!1!!1!1!
MS: Dude, chill. We didn't KNOW about this one. If we did, we would have fixed it. Have a patch. *issues*
User: Grumble grumble whine on forums. *installs*
Hacker: Sigh. One man's war. *hackety-hackety-hackety-hack* Finally, there's some obscure exploitable code. Took me awhile, but I got it.
User: OMGOMGOMG M$ IS TEH BIG SUX! MEH SYSTEM H@$ B33N TEH PWN0R3D! U SUX!!!!1!1!eleventy-one!1!!!1
MS: STFU already! He had to dig for weeks to get that! Here a fvcking patch you simpering pussy! *issues* And we're working on another core update!
User: OMG YU0 SHULD HAV GIVN TEH NU CORE 2 US NOW WTF WTF SCAMMER U SUX I R TEH L33T0R THAN Y00!
MS: *desperate sigh*
Hacker: *hugs MS* it's okay dude, have a :beer:

- M4H

Clever, but you got it backwards; generally it's:

Microsoft: *Issues patch for newly descovered volunerability*
User: *Plays "whack the mole" with the automatic updates balloon so it wont "bother" them*
Hacker: Neat, I've found what M$ patched last month and a way to exploit it. Time to go write a new worm based on somebody else's code. I am such an ultra-cool haxor!
--User gets machine infected and is now running a "dirty" system--
Microsoft: *Issues another patch for a newly discovered volunerability*
User: Why do these damn windows update bubbles keep displaying, they are so annoying "X-close"; I wonder why my machine is going so slow now anyways. Oh well.
Hacker: A new windows update; I am so c00l I will break more stupid people's computers! *Creates worm that uses new volnerability
--User's machine is now infected with another worm and a trojan and is completely hosed--
User: Microsoft's software sucks, there's no way I would want to install this new service pack. My computer was so fast and cool and now it's all Microsoft's fault that it's going slow and I keep getting these damn popups; there is no way I would want to install another update because it will just make my computer worse. Hey who the hell has been using my credit card?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Okay, OP, where can I buy your Ultimate Perfectly Secure OS that Never Has Security Issues? :roll:

Cash in hand waiting, and it's going to stay here, along with the pile that's allocated to "If you actually get money from Bill Gates for forwarding his email, I'll match it."

Not quite _never_, but close.

Here's a short one-act play called "MS, the Hacker, and the Whiny Fvcking Bitch of a no0b User."

MS: *issues SP2*
Hacker: Damn, so much for those holes. Let's fine some new ones. *hackety-hack* Cool, got one.
User: Wah, wah, wah, this OS is insecure because they fixed a few thousand security holes and left these brand-new undiscovered ones that hadn't been exploited yet!
MS: Damn hackers. *issues a patch* Here you go, user.
User: :heart: thx *installs*
Hacker: Balls. That was fun while it lasted. *hackety-hackety-hack* Hey, another one.
User: OMGWTFBBQ STOOPID M$ YU0 DIDN'T FIX0R IT!!1!!1!1!
MS: Dude, chill. We didn't KNOW about this one. If we did, we would have fixed it. Have a patch. *issues*
User: Grumble grumble whine on forums. *installs*
Hacker: Sigh. One man's war. *hackety-hackety-hackety-hack* Finally, there's some obscure exploitable code. Took me awhile, but I got it.
User: OMGOMGOMG M$ IS TEH BIG SUX! MEH SYSTEM H@$ B33N TEH PWN0R3D! U SUX!!!!1!1!eleventy-one!1!!!1
MS: STFU already! He had to dig for weeks to get that! Here a fvcking patch you simpering pussy! *issues* And we're working on another core update!
User: OMG YU0 SHULD HAV GIVN TEH NU CORE 2 US NOW WTF WTF SCAMMER U SUX I R TEH L33T0R THAN Y00!
MS: *desperate sigh*
Hacker: *hugs MS* it's okay dude, have a :beer:

- M4H

:laugh:

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: spyordie007
Clever, but you got it backwards; generally it's:

Microsoft: *Issues patch for newly descovered volunerability*
User: *Plays "whack the mole" with the automatic updates balloon so it wont "bother" them*
Hacker: Neat, I've found what M$ patched last month and a way to exploit it. Time to go write a new worm based on somebody else's code. I am such an ultra-cool haxor!
--User gets machine infected and is now running a "dirty" system--
Microsoft: *Issues another patch for a newly discovered volunerability*
User: Why do these damn windows update bubbles keep displaying, they are so annoying "X-close"; I wonder why my machine is going so slow now anyways. Oh well.
Hacker: A new windows update; I am so c00l I will break more stupid people's computers! *Creates worm that uses new volnerability
--User's machine is now infected with another worm and a trojan and is completely hosed--
User: Microsoft's software sucks, there's no way I would want to install this new service pack. My computer was so fast and cool and now it's all Microsoft's fault that it's going slow and I keep getting these damn popups; there is no way I would want to install another update because it will just make my computer worse. Hey who the hell has been using my credit card?

Sometimes... :evil:

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Dopefiend
Highly agree- "SP2 broke my system waaaaahhh!" posts = :thumbsdown:
So SP2 plugged some holes and now "X" app doesn't work anymore - who's fault is that? Of course, it must be Microsoft's, as they plugged the holes waaahh! No-one blames the software companies for writing insecure code that breaks when Microsoft remove the little loopholes that they use.

SP2 was not solely comprised of security fixes. There were a number of other changes too, and in some cases, MS just plain broke some things. There is some speculation that the "VPN problem" is relative to some upcoming server-side changes, that "fix" the problem - if you use MS's server-side solution as well.
Also, XP SP2 was pushed back several times, not due to outside requests, but due to MS themselves.

It certainly wouldn't be the first time that MS has "suddenly changed" something, between RC versions and RTM. Here's one example, posted by an employee of Adaptec: link

Tell me again, how sudden, radical changes, just before RTM, are anything but MS's "fault"?

 

[spyordie007]

Tell me again, how sudden, radical changes, just before RTM, are anything but MS's "fault"?

They arent anything but. If they make a change just before release than they have only themselves to blame for new bugs it creates.

XP SP2 was pushed back several times, not due to outside requests, but due to MS themselves.

Earlier on (when it was still a beta) this is true. However when they got close to really releasing it (i.e. RC1 and RC2 days) the big reason the release got pushed back was due to ISV issues.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Here's a short one-act play called "MS, the Hacker, and the Whiny Fvcking Bitch of a no0b User."

LOL.

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
MS: *issues SP2*
Hacker: Damn, so much for those holes. Let's fine some new ones. *hackety-hack* Cool, got one.
User: Wah, wah, wah, this OS is insecure because they fixed a few thousand security holes and left these brand-new undiscovered ones that hadn't been exploited yet!

No offense, but that might have been funnier, had it not been for the fact that XP SP2's IE6 caused a regression and re-emergence of some older security holes thought fixed in IE6 SP1. Check George' Guninski's site for more details.

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
MS: Damn hackers. *issues a patch* Here you go, user.
User: :heart: thx *installs*
Hacker: Balls. That was fun while it lasted. *hackety-hackety-hack* Hey, another one.
User: OMGWTFBBQ STOOPID M$ YU0 DIDN'T FIX0R IT!!1!!1!1!
MS: Dude, chill. We didn't KNOW about this one. If we did, we would have fixed it. Have a patch. *issues*

If only MS issued patches that quickly.

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Hacker: *hugs MS* it's okay dude, have a :beer:

Must have been l0pht/@stake/symantec "hackers" then. I don't know of any others that have ever "hugged" MS, either literally or figuratively.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Okay, OP, where can I buy your Ultimate Perfectly Secure OS that Never Has Security Issues? :roll:

Cash in hand waiting, and it's going to stay here, along with the pile that's allocated to "If you actually get money from Bill Gates for forwarding his email, I'll match it."

Not quite _never_, but close.

It'll almost fits the bill. To bad you don't have to pay for it, then it would be 95% accurate discription of OpenBSD, not the currently 85% accurate...

Oh as far as the current iteration of Windows XP reloaded.
read here

(early speculation says that it may or may not cost extra. I figure the cost version will be the next OS, "longhorn", but it would be more + be 64bit)

 

[FinalFantasy]

Originally posted by: spyordie007

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Okay, OP, where can I buy your Ultimate Perfectly Secure OS that Never Has Security Issues? :roll:

Cash in hand waiting, and it's going to stay here, along with the pile that's allocated to "If you actually get money from Bill Gates for forwarding his email, I'll match it."

Here's a short one-act play called "MS, the Hacker, and the Whiny Fvcking Bitch of a no0b User."

MS: *issues SP2*
Hacker: Damn, so much for those holes. Let's fine some new ones. *hackety-hack* Cool, got one.
User: Wah, wah, wah, this OS is insecure because they fixed a few thousand security holes and left these brand-new undiscovered ones that hadn't been exploited yet!
MS: Damn hackers. *issues a patch* Here you go, user.
User: :heart: thx *installs*
Hacker: Balls. That was fun while it lasted. *hackety-hackety-hack* Hey, another one.
User: OMGWTFBBQ STOOPID M$ YU0 DIDN'T FIX0R IT!!1!!1!1!
MS: Dude, chill. We didn't KNOW about this one. If we did, we would have fixed it. Have a patch. *issues*
User: Grumble grumble whine on forums. *installs*
Hacker: Sigh. One man's war. *hackety-hackety-hackety-hack* Finally, there's some obscure exploitable code. Took me awhile, but I got it.
User: OMGOMGOMG M$ IS TEH BIG SUX! MEH SYSTEM H@$ B33N TEH PWN0R3D! U SUX!!!!1!1!eleventy-one!1!!!1
MS: STFU already! He had to dig for weeks to get that! Here a fvcking patch you simpering pussy! *issues* And we're working on another core update!
User: OMG YU0 SHULD HAV GIVN TEH NU CORE 2 US NOW WTF WTF SCAMMER U SUX I R TEH L33T0R THAN Y00!
MS: *desperate sigh*
Hacker: *hugs MS* it's okay dude, have a :beer:

- M4H

Clever, but you got it backwards; generally it's:

Microsoft: *Issues patch for newly descovered volunerability*
User: *Plays "whack the mole" with the automatic updates balloon so it wont "bother" them*
Hacker: Neat, I've found what M$ patched last month and a way to exploit it. Time to go write a new worm based on somebody else's code. I am such an ultra-cool haxor!
--User gets machine infected and is now running a "dirty" system--
Microsoft: *Issues another patch for a newly discovered volunerability*
User: Why do these damn windows update bubbles keep displaying, they are so annoying "X-close"; I wonder why my machine is going so slow now anyways. Oh well.
Hacker: A new windows update; I am so c00l I will break more stupid people's computers! *Creates worm that uses new volnerability
--User's machine is now infected with another worm and a trojan and is completely hosed--
User: Microsoft's software sucks, there's no way I would want to install this new service pack. My computer was so fast and cool and now it's all Microsoft's fault that it's going slow and I keep getting these damn popups; there is no way I would want to install another update because it will just make my computer worse. Hey who the hell has been using my credit card?

You guys do all this talking, but you are always off topic (see previous post, besides the one's quoted). I guess I can classify you as what I call a "Filler". A "Filler" is a person who has a limited knowledge in an area/subject or they want to look smart in front of a group of people, so when answering questions or writing a review etc. they write these long paragraphs FILLED with information, that for the most part does not even pertain to the subject and is sometimes demeaning/sarcastic/insulting to a person or group of people they are responding to. Another sign of a "Filler" is a person that assumes something about another person as in their character, opinion, intelligence etc or an informative article/news headline (people love to make their opinion based on a headline...wow) and makes a statement based off of their assumption w/o gathering any facts. Everyone thinks this person is "smart" because:

1) People(Humans) don't like reading a lot of $H)t, so they just assume since you wrote this long answer to a question or wrote this long review of something that you know what you are talking about.
2) You insulted someone using a direct insult instead of using your brain and coming up with an intelligent answer
3) You are funny
4) You change the subject to something that is RELATED to the subject and know something about and write about it and throw a FEW things in there that relate to the subject/question, instead of answering the question and sticking to the subject, which you know less/little/nothing about.

People do this with talking too....they're called BS'ers.

Nuff said.

That's just my opinion.

 

[stash]

SP2 is not a fake.

Does that sum it up succinctly enough for you?

 

[FinalFantasy]

Originally posted by: STaSh
SP2 is not a fake.

Does that sum it up succinctly enough for you?

Yea...but who are you for me to believe you? Usually when stating your opinion on the matter you should have some type of back up.