Will X2 4000+ 2.0Ghz plus TCCD = Good Overclock ???

[RichUK]

i am actually quite interested in the ADM X2 4000+ 2Ghz 2x1Mb L2 cache 10x multi (when it comes out), and i am thinking that maybe with my mobo and RAM (rev2 TCCD) i will be able to achieve a nice OC .. i would be looking for around 2.6Ghz .. but my only worry is that the lower spec chip will have lower yeilds .. what are your thoughts .. ???

thanks

 

[SVT Cobra]

MSI has had overclocking troubles lately.make sure to update the BIOS

also...on air?? i doubt it, anand, hard and a couple others even had trouble on air

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
MSI has had overclocking troubles lately.make sure to update the BIOS

also...on air?? i doubt it, anand, hard and a couple others even had trouble on air

i will be looking to get water setup soon aswell .. so maybe i will leave it stock, and in that case then just OC when the better cooling comes along, i am not really up for damaging it over an OC as soon as i get it ..

 

[freethrowtommy]

I honestly wouldn't hold your breath for a 4000+ X2. I mean, the 4400+ is selling like mad with the price hikes even, so why would they clock down on it and sell it for cheaper if they have the more expensive chip selling out? I can see why they would do it with the 4200+ because that isn't too difficult to find right now and a cheaper chip will cut at Intel like no other. I can't imagine a 4000+ is coming anytime soon...

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: freethrowtommy
I honestly wouldn't hold your breath for a 4000+ X2. I mean, the 4400+ is selling like mad with the price hikes even, so why would they clock down on it and sell it for cheaper if they have the more expensive chip selling out? I can see why they would do it with the 4200+ because that isn't too difficult to find right now and a cheaper chip will cut at Intel like no other. I can't imagine a 4000+ is coming anytime soon...

well the 4000+ is supposed to be out at the end of the month or next .. and you must remember it is very bad marketing if you produce a core/chip that is only aimed at the enthusiast market, as AMD increases its revenue for selling the same core at a lower spec (lower multi) for a lower price to increase their target audience.

And the fact that I will be able to achieve the same OC (around 2.6/2.7 I hope) as the 4400+ for less money invites me a lot more, especially as I have TCCD ram that is capable of 270Mhz at 1T on the 10x multi I think it will be perfect .. 🙂 ..

that is very bad thinking on your part .. with that theory what is the point of the sempr0n?s if everyone should spend twice as much to buy a athlon 64 when in actual fact a sempr0n will suffice for their needs 😉

 

[imported_whatever]

If there is an X2 4000+, its going to be 512k each L2 cache.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: whatever
If there is an X2 4000+, its going to be 512k each L2 cache.

maybe .. but im am looking for 10x multi Toledo chip .. so what ever it's PR is ill get it 😉

 

[Icepick]

Originally posted by: whatever
If there is an X2 4000+, its going to be 512k each L2 cache.

No, the X2 4000+ is going to be released next month and it will have 1MB L2 cache on each core. The X2 3800+ will have 512k L2 cache per core.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: icepik

Originally posted by: whatever
If there is an X2 4000+, its going to be 512k each L2 cache.

No, the X2 4000+ is going to be released next month and it will have 1MB L2 cache on each core. The X2 3800+ will have 512k L2 cache per core.

:thumbsup: .. 4000+ X2 it is for me then 😀

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: icepik

Originally posted by: whatever
If there is an X2 4000+, its going to be 512k each L2 cache.

No, the X2 4000+ is going to be released next month and it will have 1MB L2 cache on each core. The X2 3800+ will have 512k L2 cache per core.

Do you have a link... I don't but I swaer reading something about no toledo 2Ghz chips, meaning no 4000+

I would'nt want the 2MB chip anyway..more heat..more power...less clockability due to larger die size.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: icepik

Originally posted by: whatever
If there is an X2 4000+, its going to be 512k each L2 cache.

No, the X2 4000+ is going to be released next month and it will have 1MB L2 cache on each core. The X2 3800+ will have 512k L2 cache per core.

Do you have a link... I don't but I swaer reading something about no toledo 2Ghz chips, meaning no 4000+

I would'nt want the 2MB chip anyway..more heat..more power...less clockability due to larger die size.

you reckon less OC ability with the extra cache .. hmm we need to see some tests .. this could be interesting .. suppose the theory is behind it but the practical well that is a different question

 

[Icepick]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: icepik

Originally posted by: whatever
If there is an X2 4000+, its going to be 512k each L2 cache.

No, the X2 4000+ is going to be released next month and it will have 1MB L2 cache on each core. The X2 3800+ will have 512k L2 cache per core.

Do you have a link... I don't but I swaer reading something about no toledo 2Ghz chips, meaning no 4000+

I would'nt want the 2MB chip anyway..more heat..more power...less clockability due to larger die size.

Here ya go!
http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/8569

"X86-secret is reporting (in French, bring a translator) that AMD will add not one, but two cheaper Athlon 64 X2 processors to its dual-core lineup. The Athlon 64 X2 4000+ and 3800+ will apparently both be clocked at 2.0GHz, with the former featuring 1MB of L2 cache per core, and the latter 512KB of L2 cache. It's expected that the X2 3800+ will sell for around $345, but there's no word on pricing for the X2 4000+, which will presumably be more expensive."

Here's the original article they gleaned this info from. (Hope you can read French 😉)
http://www.x86-secret.com/?option=newsd&nid=900

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: icepik

Originally posted by: whatever
If there is an X2 4000+, its going to be 512k each L2 cache.

No, the X2 4000+ is going to be released next month and it will have 1MB L2 cache on each core. The X2 3800+ will have 512k L2 cache per core.

Do you have a link... I don't but I swaer reading something about no toledo 2Ghz chips, meaning no 4000+

I would'nt want the 2MB chip anyway..more heat..more power...less clockability due to larger die size.

you reckon less OC ability with the extra cache .. hmm we need to see some tests .. this could be interesting .. suppose the theory is behind it but the practical well that is a different question

It's just a thoery that more transistor count increases the liklyhood of failure at an earlier point in the OC process. I doubt you'll ever be able to collect any meaningful data to prove it.. these chips are expensive enough I can't see people buying two and trying them out.. And you'd need a lot of people to do that before you could draw any conclusions.

 

[Zebo]

Thanks ICEPICK.:thumbsup:

 

[freethrowtommy]

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: freethrowtommy
I honestly wouldn't hold your breath for a 4000+ X2. I mean, the 4400+ is selling like mad with the price hikes even, so why would they clock down on it and sell it for cheaper if they have the more expensive chip selling out? I can see why they would do it with the 4200+ because that isn't too difficult to find right now and a cheaper chip will cut at Intel like no other. I can't imagine a 4000+ is coming anytime soon...

well the 4000+ is supposed to be out at the end of the month or next .. and you must remember it is very bad marketing if you produce a core/chip that is only aimed at the enthusiast market, as AMD increases its revenue for selling the same core at a lower spec (lower multi) for a lower price to increase their target audience.


that is very bad thinking on your part .. with that theory what is the point of the sempr0n?s if everyone should spend twice as much to buy a athlon 64 when in actual fact a sempr0n will suffice for their needs 😉

I really don't think it is. They are aiming at the more budget minded people by releasing the 3800+ X2. Why would you go and cut into an already steller cash cow like the 4400+ by releasing a downclocked 1MB cache version? I really think they are trying to push the 512k versions out the door because the 4400+/4800+ are selling so much quicker! This make PERFECT sense. Until the 1MB versions start to slow down, you won't see a 4000+... the 3800+ will be the sole budget X2. You can tell by the price jacks on the 4400 to almost 700 bucks at some places... that or you see the 4000+ at around 500 bucks when they arrive and the 3800+ don't sell as well... MAKES NO SENSE to me. Just because this was the trend so far, doesn't mean it will continue. I think AMD wants to push these things out the gate on Intel. I believe my thinking is right on target. I guess time will tell what happens.

 

[Hacp]

Maybe they shouldl release the 3800 as 256 cache editions priced at 300 and the 4000 as 512k cache priced at 400. That would make more sense.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: freethrowtommy

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: freethrowtommy
I honestly wouldn't hold your breath for a 4000+ X2. I mean, the 4400+ is selling like mad with the price hikes even, so why would they clock down on it and sell it for cheaper if they have the more expensive chip selling out? I can see why they would do it with the 4200+ because that isn't too difficult to find right now and a cheaper chip will cut at Intel like no other. I can't imagine a 4000+ is coming anytime soon...

well the 4000+ is supposed to be out at the end of the month or next .. and you must remember it is very bad marketing if you produce a core/chip that is only aimed at the enthusiast market, as AMD increases its revenue for selling the same core at a lower spec (lower multi) for a lower price to increase their target audience.


that is very bad thinking on your part .. with that theory what is the point of the sempr0n?s if everyone should spend twice as much to buy a athlon 64 when in actual fact a sempr0n will suffice for their needs 😉

I really don't think it is. They are aiming at the more budget minded people by releasing the 3800+ X2. Why would you go and cut into an already steller cash cow like the 4400+ by releasing a downclocked 1MB cache version? I really think they are trying to push the 512k versions out the door because the 4400+/4800+ are selling so much quicker! This make PERFECT sense. Until the 1MB versions start to slow down, you won't see a 4000+... the 3800+ will be the sole budget X2. You can tell by the price jacks on the 4400 to almost 700 bucks at some places... that or you see the 4000+ at around 500 bucks when they arrive and the 3800+ don't sell as well... MAKES NO SENSE to me. Just because this was the trend so far, doesn't mean it will continue. I think AMD wants to push these things out the gate on Intel. I believe my thinking is right on target. I guess time will tell what happens.

hmm maybe .. i truly dont know to be fair .. just have to wait and see, its weird how AMD like to keep everything secret to the last minute

 

[freethrowtommy]

I honestly think they should just take the price down on the 4200+ rather than releasing another one with a similar rating to a single core... that would make the most sense and least confusing option... but I spose they can't price a higher rating 4200+ X2 lower than 4000+ San Diego.

Either way, they got something good with the 3800+ X2... it is really a win win situation if you go with that even.