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Vic

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What about the babies bodily autonomy? They get no rights? Not even the right to live?

Look, I know this world is extremely overpopulated and we already have too many orphans which is sad. But abortion should not be used as a birth control measure. That's what birth control is far. Or you could just abstain.

Under our laws, rights begin at birth. So no, fetuses don't have rights. Not that you actually care about anyone's rights but your own.

And no one uses abortion as birth control, dipshit. And even if they did, that wouldn't support your agenda to outlaw it in all circumstances, including when the mother's life is in danger.

But your last sentence says it all. You want to use the govt to control people's sexual behavior. That's why you anti-abortionists are trying to outlaw birth control too.
 
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Vic

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Many states have said they will not allow Sharia law. Teaching Islam in a private school environment should not be stopped.

However no school, no matter the kind, should be allowed to call for "death to America" and killing the innocent. That will draw the ire of the community and could bring charges.

Guaranteed that even if a non-Christian religious school said they loved America, you'd still tell lies and claim they were calling for "death to America" and killing the innocent.
 
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fskimospy

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As usual, you misunderstand. Children go to school. There parents send them there or to public school. Wherever the kids go, their tax money goes, not both.
So you are down with taxpayer money going to Islamic fundamentalist schools?
 

Moonbeam

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Honestly it’s scary to think just how pervasive Christian nationalism has become in politics and it’s even scarier that most people don’t even realize it, on all points of the political spectrum.

I remember watching a story around the time that David duke was trying to get into politics and a white nationalist was saying the days of klan meetings and pointy hats is over, from now on it will be business suits and politics. I remember thinking, lol good luck with that, no one is going to buy your politics and believe you. Boy was I wrong!
I think people are unaware of 'the purity thingi' that runs through conservative moral concerns, the feeling of a fear of being contaminated by impurities via contact with them. This is another of those genetic survival evolutionary adaptions that mitigate against a repeat contamination with some food source that made an animal sick. Gagging and retching are the bodies ways of rejecting food poisoning.

But because humans use language that carry abstract meaning that can acquire emotional associations we can be made to retch just by thinking and those associations can be made about our own personal behaviors. How many times in your life do you think you have been called disgusting. That would have no effect at all had you not early on been made to believe that disgusting actions exist. Have you seen the video of a young chimp that smells his own behind and falls out of a tree. Very amusing and you know the reason why. "Me, I have no idea."

So we have the caste system in India, the phenomenon of aristocracy etc. racial superiority, national superiority, the only religions, all of these nonsensical phenomena built of a need to feel pure having experienced the personal horror of being rejected for something or other that our parents found impure in our behavior, a feeling of worthlessness we never want to feel again but now love to insult others with to remind us of how much better we are than they.

It is especially pronounced in religions because they are based on the concept of good and evil, and specifically the fear of damnation implied by evil

It is that fear, the fear of feeling impure, being made to feel worthless because of certain behaviors every human being will express naturally as a child that lies behind "purity madness".

It was this clinging to the notion of sin in religion, the need to deny one is sinful because of fear of damnation that flows out of having been damned as a child that Jesus gave his life to tell us not to fixate in that state because we have been forgiven. Naturally we have been because there is no such thing as sin other than the belief it exists.

But while God has forgiven us that will not penetrate most people's fear they are already condemned and can't ever be forgiven. Few Christians have any real faith. They will not suffer their inner grief and heal.
 

FelixDeCat

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Under our laws, rights begin at birth. So no, fetuses don't have rights. Not that you actually care about anyone's rights but your own.

And no one uses abortion as birth control, dipshit. And even if they did, that wouldn't support your agenda to outlaw it in all circumstances, including when the mother's life is in danger.

But your last sentence says it all. You want to use the govt to control people's sexual behavior. That's why you anti-abortionists are trying to outlaw birth control too.

Guaranteed that even if a non-Christian religious school said they loved America, you'd still tell lies and claim they were calling for "death to America" and killing the innocent.

There you go with that assuming again. Putting words in my mouth because you know I'm right.
 
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hal2kilo

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Under our laws, rights begin at birth. So no, fetuses don't have rights. Not that you actually care about anyone's rights but your own.

And no one uses abortion as birth control, dipshit. And even if they did, that wouldn't support your agenda to outlaw it in all circumstances, including when the mother's life is in danger.

But your last sentence says it all. You want to use the govt to control people's sexual behavior. That's why you anti-abortionists are trying to outlaw birth control too.
It's always about punishing the sluts.
 

Vic

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It's always about punishing the sluts.
It's about abusing the power and violence of the govt as an instrument of control and oppression over people they don't like. "Sluts" are just one of many groups.
And there is ALWAYS a flimsy self-serving overly-intuitive rationale to justify it. Because to conservatives, it's not about solving problems, it's about deciding who gets punished.
 

Vic

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There you go with that assuming again. Putting words in my mouth because you know I'm right.
Right about what? If you want your money to go to the churches then open your own wallet. Kindly don't open my wallet and use my tax dollars to force your extremist and un-American ideological agenda down my throat.
One of America's most important founding principles was that the People wouldn't be forced to pay for religious beliefs they didn't agree with. Yaknow, like how King George forced everyone to pay tithes to the Anglican church. It wasn't just taxes on tea that led to 1776.
Now what was it you fancied yourself right about again?
 

trenchfoot

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Well it seems many of the leaders of the nation's Christian denominations have decided to throw in with our nation's most notoriously vile conservatives that populate the Republican party. Looks like they have found common grounds to join together in order to.....what, stamp out the trend of the nation's peoples becoming more educated thus more independent minded thus much harder to befuddle and scam into and under their influence?

If I understood a bit of scripture from the bible we all have the choice to make between their interpretation of what's good and what's evil. So how is it then that it looks like many of our Christian elders have conspired with their politically conservative brethren to cram their beliefs down the throats of the people of the nation via legislating their beliefs into law and then enforcing their beliefs through the highest court of the land? Can't let the people of the nation decide on their own what to believe and not believe huh? Because that may lead more and more of them astray from the Church and the Republican Party I guess.
 
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UNCjigga

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Right about what? If you want your money to go to the churches then open your own wallet. Kindly don't open my wallet and use my tax dollars to force your extremist and un-American ideological agenda down my throat.
One of America's most important founding principles was that the People wouldn't be forced to pay for religious beliefs they didn't agree with. Yaknow, like how King George forced everyone to pay tithes to the Anglican church. It wasn't just taxes on tea that led to 1776.
Now what was it you fancied yourself right about again?

Perhaps what FDC is advocating for is something more like the Separate school systems in Canada. In Ontario, families can elect to have their tax dollars support their city or county public schools or any number of “separate” school systems. These schools can use faith-based instruction. But as a condition of accepting tax dollars, the schools must be accepting of all families opting to fund the school (I.e. no faith-based conditions of acceptance.) I was in the Dufferin Peel Roman Catholic school system even though I wasn’t Catholic—my parents chose the schools based on reputation.
 
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Pens1566

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Right about what? If you want your money to go to the churches then open your own wallet. Kindly don't open my wallet and use my tax dollars to force your extremist and un-American ideological agenda down my throat.
One of America's most important founding principles was that the People wouldn't be forced to pay for religious beliefs they didn't agree with. Yaknow, like how King George forced everyone to pay tithes to the Anglican church. It wasn't just taxes on tea that led to 1776.
Now what was it you fancied yourself right about again?

Always amuses me when "patriots" either forget this or weren't aware of it in the first place. Usually co-located with not understanding what freedom of speech means as well.
 

ch33zw1z

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Perhaps what FDC is advocating for is something more like the Separate school systems in Canada. In Ontario, families can elect to have their tax dollars support their city or county public schools or any number of “separate” school systems. These schools can use faith-based instruction. But as a condition of accepting tax dollars, the schools must be accepting of all families opting to fund the school (I.e. no faith-based conditions of acceptance.) I was in the Dufferin Peel Roman Catholic school system even though I wasn’t Catholic—my parents chose the schools based on reputation.

Maybe, but let's go ahead and be more like Canada. Socialized medicine sounds good.
 
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Vic

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Perhaps what FDC is advocating for is something more like the Separate school systems in Canada. In Ontario, families can elect to have their tax dollars support their city or county public schools or any number of “separate” school systems. These schools can use faith-based instruction. But as a condition of accepting tax dollars, the schools must be accepting of all families opting to fund the school (I.e. no faith-based conditions of acceptance.) I was in the Dufferin Peel Roman Catholic school system even though I wasn’t Catholic—my parents chose the schools based on reputation.

I made the mistake of putting my daughter in Catholic school during COVID on the advice of a friend. They literally persecuted her for not being Catholic. Teachers would look the other way when kids bullied her and then would write her for phony petty offenses. It was unreal. And when I took the issue to the Principal, she told me right to my face that "all of this can go away as soon as she takes communion."
I yanked her out and filed a religious discrimination complaint with the State. I don't care what anyone says, people who would treat a young girl like that are evil.
 

Paratus

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I made the mistake of putting my daughter in Catholic school during COVID on the advice of a friend. They literally persecuted her for not being Catholic. Teachers would look the other way when kids bullied her and then would write her for phony petty offenses. It was unreal. And when I took the issue to the Principal, she told me right to my face that "all of this can go away as soon as she takes communion."
I yanked her out and filed a religious discrimination complaint with the State. I don't care what anyone says, people who would treat a young girl like that are evil.
No hate like Christian love.
 

Moonbeam

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I made the mistake of putting my daughter in Catholic school during COVID on the advice of a friend. They literally persecuted her for not being Catholic. Teachers would look the other way when kids bullied her and then would write her for phony petty offenses. It was unreal. And when I took the issue to the Principal, she told me right to my face that "all of this can go away as soon as she takes communion."
I yanked her out and filed a religious discrimination complaint with the State. I don't care what anyone says, people who would treat a young girl like that are evil.
The problem I have with calling people like that evil is because for them children not taking communion is the Devils wish. That for them is evil. So for them they are just trying to do your daughter some good.

The question then, in my opinion, is which point of view has its likely origin in some sort of programming and which seems more sourced in innate empathy. I think the difference between each can be had when one is asked to scientifically prove the position. In this way I believe it will quickly become obvious that any notion of universality of conformity to a church based tradition is a belief bereft of scientific vigor and is at base only programmed bigotry. On the other hand, that there has existed and exists even now a tendency among all men to aspire to some higher moral calling based on the genetic characteristics imparted to human nature via social primate evolution. If you want to call behaviors that deviate from that easily overwritten organic programming by the transmission of the concept of evil and all of the insanity induced by fear of being so contaminated, what real evil actually is, be my guest.

In my opinion the naming of things as good and evil are the product of dualistic thinking, the association pain from the long repressed past associated by the language of words and names that divide the unity of existence into discrete notions of things. Good and evil are based on memory impregnated thought and are personal and subjective. They did not exist before words did and absent thought have no meaning. Is it possible to end thought. If it is then good and evil do not exist. As we are using words and when we use them they do exist as a product of imagination from which thinking can never escape.

'Form is here emptiness, emptiness form' is a Buddhist mantra or whatever that I think points to this truth.

Personally the suffering bigotry like you describe caused your child makes me want to kill. The only advantage for me in what I see is that it keeps me from being able to justify doing it. It is the utter self-justified arrogance of the Principal you describe, his or her belief in the rectitude of their bigotry, the lack of humility, the arrogation of powers only their self proclaimed all-knowing God could possibly posess, that poisons the world. Fucking hypocrites.
 

FelixDeCat

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I made the mistake of putting my daughter in Catholic school during COVID on the advice of a friend. They literally persecuted her for not being Catholic. Teachers would look the other way when kids bullied her and then would write her for phony petty offenses. It was unreal. And when I took the issue to the Principal, she told me right to my face that "all of this can go away as soon as she takes communion."
I yanked her out and filed a religious discrimination complaint with the State. I don't care what anyone says, people who would treat a young girl like that are evil.

I went to Catholic school for 8 years. We had a few who were not Catholic. If you could not (or can not) take communion, you simply bow your head and the priest blesses you with the sign of the cross.

For those who were not Catholic, they were not harassed but were just friends. Bedsides, one kid was an overgrown hippie with tats and a meth habit with a penchant for knives. Not someone you want to fuck with.

I am sorry to hear about your daughter's experience. It was good you reported the school as they need to better educate students against bullying. I hate bullies.

Public schools are full of bullies too. There was the recent stories of the two girls who killed themselves because of it. Social media makes things so much worse.

In another example, this large black girl kept beating and choking a small white boy when he would not give up his backpack on a school bus. He had her choke marks on his neck. The video is on the internet. The school only reluctantly disciplined her after the parents got a restraining order and pulled him out of the school.
 

nakedfrog

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Felix had a knife-wielding tattooed meth-head "hippie" classmate in his Catholic school days. Yes, this story is completely believable.
 

Moonbeam

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I went to Catholic school for 8 years. We had a few who were not Catholic. If you could not (or can not) take communion, you simply bow your head and the priest blesses you with the sign of the cross.

For those who were not Catholic, they were not harassed but were just friends. Bedsides, one kid was an overgrown hippie with tats and a meth habit with a penchant for knives. Not someone you want to fuck with.

I am sorry to hear about your daughter's experience. It was good you reported the school as they need to better educate students against bullying. I hate bullies.

Public schools are full of bullies too. There was the recent stories of the two girls who killed themselves because of it. Social media makes things so much worse.

In another example, this large black girl kept beating and choking a small white boy when he would not give up his backpack on a school bus. He had her choke marks on his neck. The video is on the internet. The school only reluctantly disciplined her after the parents got a restraining order and pulled him out of the school.
Bullying starts in the home when children are pressured to conform to social norms equated with producing success. The beaten down seek to beat others down. It's easy to succeed at beating others. The beaten love to watch it happen.
 

Moonbeam

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Felix had a knife-wielding tattooed meth-head "hippie" classmate in his Catholic school days. Yes, this story is completely believable.
I had no problem at all believing him. How about a kid who carried a knife and acted like he was taking drugs.....?
 

FelixDeCat

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I had no problem at all believing him. How about a kid who carried a knife and acted like he was taking drugs.....?

It is true. His name was Daryl. He was a redneck. At the time I did not know what "crystal" was. He was okay, but would go from zero to 100 in seconds if he heard something that disagreed with him.

He actually graduated if you can believe it.

We had people of all races and beliefs. One girls name was "dog taking gun" (her tribe name). She had an anglicanized name as well.
 

Moonbeam

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It is true. His name was Daryl. He was a redneck. At the time I did not know what "crystal" was. He was okay, but would go from zero to 100 in seconds if he heard something that disagreed with him.

He actually graduated if you can believe it.

We had people of all races and beliefs. One girls name was "dog taking gun" (her tribe name). She had an anglicanized name as well.

Fidona Tookdegun?