Will this rig bottleneck my GTX690?

Stg-Flame

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I'm building a new gaming rig and I believe I have all the parts I want in my order. However, the last detail I need for my setup is to see if my rig will bottleneck with such a powerful card.

Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge - 330
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO - 35
EVGA Signature 04G-P4-2692-KR GeForce GTX 690 - 1,050
SAMSUNG 8GB (2 x 4GB) - 45
CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 - 90
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB - 110
SAMSUNG 830 Series 128GB - 120
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 - 130
LITE-ON DVD Burner - 17
COOLER MASTER HAF 922 - 100
Logitech G500 - 50
RAZER Black USB Wired BlackWidow Ultimate - 113
Monitor - 0 **
RAZER Tiamat 7.1 - 180
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - 100
 
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boxleitnerb

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What resolution will you be gaming at? What games? And what fps are you aiming at?

Bottlenecks can depend heavily on all this. There is no simple answer.
 

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Why are you getting one 690 on a board that could support two 670s?
 

Stg-Flame

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What resolution will you be gaming at? What games? And what fps are you aiming at?

Bottlenecks can depend heavily on all this. There is no simple answer.

For starters I am keeping my old monitor which is set at 1680X1050 but I plan on buying a 2560X1440 monitor on my next paycheck.

The games, pretty much any and all (no MMOs). Torchlight 2, Farcry 3, Rome 2 Total War, Borderlands 2, Metro First Light, DayZ, TF2, AVWW, etc.

The FPS I don't want to dip below 45-50FPS on any game. Also, this setup is set to SLI another 690 when the price drops. By that time I should have ample time to modify my case to accommodate liquid cooling (if I plan on going that route).

Why are you getting one 690 on a board that could support two 670s?

I plan on grabbing another 690 down the line and I might as well get a high-end card now since my budget can afford the card rather than spend $800 on two 670s.
 

lavaheadache

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Is this a clever disguise for a brag thread?

You are getting almost all top of the line components and asking us if "it" will bottleneck your card. If your rig was a bottleneck then there really wouldn't be anything to upgrade to anyways.


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YOu beat me by a minute with your reply. Now I see that clearly you need our advice since you are getting a 690 for a 1680x1050 screen. Even a 4 year old GTX 480 is gonna play nearly everything blisteringly fast on that monitor. I say save $900 and get a midrange card till you upgrade your monitor and then buy the card. I see that you say you are getting the monitor with your next paycheck, but wait till you actually get it.
 
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Ferzerp

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690 + 1680x1050 is pointless.

Single GPU solutions are fine until you pass 1920x1200. 2560x1600 likes dual GPUs. 2560x1600 is 230% of the pixel count as 1680x1050. Within reason, GPU needs scale linearly with pixel count.
 

Stg-Flame

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Is this a clever disguise for a brag thread?

You are getting almost all top of the line components and asking us if "it" will bottleneck your card. If your rig was a bottleneck then there really wouldn't be anything to upgrade to anyways.


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YOu beat me by a minute with your reply. Now I see that clearly you need our advice since you are getting a 690 for a 1680x1050 screen. Even a 4 year old GTX 480 is gonna play nearly everything blisteringly fast on that monitor. I say save $900 and get a midrange card till you upgrade your monitor and then buy the card. I see that you say you are getting the monitor with your next paycheck, but wait till you actually get it.

I'm buying a new monitor two weeks after I purchase this rig. Considering 2560X1440 monitors are so expensive, I wanted to check if I could get one locally. If I added a 2560X1440 monitor with this new build, I would have to settle on a single 670 or 680 and SLI later down the road. This way I can still game on my new rig with my old monitor (which is dying but still works) until I find a good monitor locally or just order a new one Online.
 

Ferzerp

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Then it makes sense, though 2 680's (factory OC'ed) are (very slightly) faster than a 690

edit: DERP. Somehow I had written 2 690s. I'm not on crack, I promise.
 
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Stg-Flame

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Then it makes sense, though 2 680's (factory OC'ed) are (very slightly) faster than 2 690's

How does a SLI 680 configuration outshine a SLI 690 setup when a single 690 has blown every other card out of the water in terms of benchmarks and performance?
 

boxleitnerb

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For starters I am keeping my old monitor which is set at 1680X1050 but I plan on buying a 2560X1440 monitor on my next paycheck.

The games, pretty much any and all (no MMOs). Torchlight 2, Farcry 3, Rome 2 Total War, Borderlands 2, Metro First Light, DayZ, TF2, AVWW, etc.

The FPS I don't want to dip below 45-50FPS on any game. Also, this setup is set to SLI another 690 when the price drops. By that time I should have ample time to modify my case to accommodate liquid cooling (if I plan on going that route).

I plan on grabbing another 690 down the line and I might as well get a high-end card now since my budget can afford the card rather than spend $800 on two 670s.

In some games you will be bottlenecked. For example in Borderlands 2 when using only FXAA/SMAA. Im Rome 2 for sure - I expect a heavy CPU bottleneck in larger battles as we've seen with previous Total War games. If you get another 690, this will only get worse, i.e. spread to more games.

But as you really cannot get anything faster than a 3770K for games, there is nothing you can do anyway. I would definitely consider looking into advanced image quality options when getting that second 690.

Another thing:
I think you'd be better off not getting that second 690 but rather some 780s (hopefully) early next year. More VRAM, way more compute power and bandwidth. For one 690, 2GB is fine, but I would not be comfortable with having only 2GB VRAM for two of these.

Why do I bring this up? If you want to get 2x 690 performance, you would probably need to get 3x GK110 - and for that, Z77+3770K might not be the best platform.
 
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toyota

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what is it lately with people having the fastest cpus out there asking if it will bottleneck? if a 3770 is a bottleneck then what cpu would you possibly get?

op, you are fine and you know it. hurry and get that 2560x1440 screen though as 1680x1050 would be sill for a gtx690. personally I would just get a gtx670 and stay at 1680x1050 but I am not a hardcore enthusiast.

btw I would go with a slightly beefier psu for your system with a gtx690. the tx650 is technically fine but I would want more wiggle room.
 

boxleitnerb

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Toyota makes a good point:

If you can, wait and make your big investment later with GK110. Usually, waiting is stupid, yes. But in this case I think it is a good choice since you're clearly going for "future-proof" - well at least as future-proof as one can get in the PC business.
 

Ferzerp

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How does a SLI 680 configuration outshine a SLI 690 setup when a single 690 has blown every other card out of the water in terms of benchmarks and performance?

No, it isn't better than an SLI 690 setup, but you didn't mention one of those setups.

A 690 is two 680's (but with tighter power margins, so you can OC less) just on a single PCB instead of on two.

Two 690's is 4 680's, with the same caveats. However, even to me, dual 690's isn't worth the cost ($2k) because the 680 scales pretty poorly with more than 2 GPUs (and as I said, two 690s is four 680 GPUs).
 

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GTX690 EVGA for $870.
http://us.ncix.com/products/?usaffi...=04G-P4-2690-KR&manufacture=eVGA&promoid=1265

Personally, I'd go for GTX670 SLI 4GB but this is a good way to not waste $1050 on a 690. Also, 650W corsair? I'd probably bump that to 750-850W in case you later decide to go with GTX880 SLI or some other cards. If you still want to stick with 650W PSU, I'd get the Seasonic X 650 Gold for $100 ($30 off ends today).

$90 for the HAF 922? In that case I'd rather get my case for $95, it'll have far better airflow and way more room.

Of course as others mentioned, you can go with a GTX670 for now and if you end up grabbing a 2560x1440/1600 monitor, add a 2nd one for cheaper later, or sell it and get a GTX780, or w/e. You are upgrading near the end of the 1st 28nm GPU generation and prices on 670/680 cards have barely come down. So you are definitely overpaying at this point in time.
 
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lavaheadache

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Toyota makes a good point:

If you can, wait and make your big investment later with GK110. Usually, waiting is stupid, yes. But in this case I think it is a good choice since you're clearly going for "future-proof" - well at least as future-proof as one can get in the PC business.

just wanna point out that I said it first ;)
 

boxleitnerb

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Two 690's is 4 680's, with the same caveats. However, even to me, dual 690's isn't worth the cost ($2k) because the 680 scales pretty poorly with more than 2 GPUs (and as I said, two 690s is four 680 GPUs).

If you use proper settings, it doesn't.
 

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I would change the following:

1. Monitor - Get a 27 inch 3D 120hz monitor, or 27 inch IPS
2. Power Supply - With the amount of money you are already spending, I would already get a decent platinum series power supply. They often go on sale and could dip below $200.
3. SSD - 240 or 256GB SSDs often go on sale as well. They can be had for as low as $160-180. Thats only $40 more for double the space.
4. Optical Drive - Blue Ray Burners are cheap these days.
 
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Stg-Flame

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GTX690 EVGA for $870.
http://us.ncix.com/products/?usaffi...=04G-P4-2690-KR&manufacture=eVGA&promoid=1265

Personally, I'd go for GTX670 SLI 4GB but this is a good way to not waste $1050 on a 690. Also, 650W corsair? I'd probably bump that to 750-850W in case you later decide to go with GTX880 SLI or some other cards. If you still want to stick with 650W PSU, I'd get the Seasonic X 650 Gold for $100 ($30 off ends today).

$90 for the HAF 922? In that case I'd rather get my case for $95, it'll have far better airflow and way more room.

Of course as others mentioned, you can go with a GTX670 for now and if you end up grabbing a 2560x1440/1600 monitor, add a 2nd one for cheaper later, or sell it and get a GTX780, or w/e. You are upgrading near the end of the 1st 28nm GPU generation and prices on 670/680 cards have barely come down. So you are definitely overpaying at this point in time.

I was trying to keep a mid ATX and avoid full ATX since they are so massive.

As for the PSU, I have been contemplating getting a better PSU just for that little bit of extra leeway since the 690 requires a minimum of 650W. Before I submit my order tonight, I'll probably change my PSU to something a bit higher just to be on the safe side. As it is, my build is pushing $2,500 and that was my maximum for my budget (but with S&H, it's going to exceed the max).

My question is: Are you rich?

Hahaha, no. I work in the oil field, not married, no kids, still in my mid-20s, and my truck is almost paid off. My girlfriend, friends, guns, and road trips are the only expenses I have; so I normally take home a paycheck and a half each month. Given my situation and how much my job pays, I make a ton of money (plus I'm good with finances and can stretch a budget like you wouldn't believe). Like I said, I can manage my money well, but I'm far from rich. :)

Plus I work my ass off for that money (average work day is 17 hours or more).

I would change the following:

1. Monitor - Get a 27 inch 3D 120hz monitor, or 27 inch IPS
2. Power Supply - With the amount of money you are already spending, I would already get a decent platinum series power supply. They often go on sale and could dip below $200.
3. SSD - 240 or 256GB SSDs often go on sale as well. They can be had for as low as $160-180. Thats only $40 more for double the space.
4. Optical Drive - Blue Ray Burners are cheap these days.

Eh... 3D doesn't interest me in the slightest as I believe it's just this generations gimmick. I do plan on getting a 27" monitor so I can start using the 2560X1440 resolution, but like I mentioned, those are really expensive and I would like to try and find one locally before I order it offline. I have had bad experiences with ordering monitors offline before and given how fragile they are, I would much rather pick one up in a store so it isn't changing hands and being tossed around different trucks before finally reaching me. If all else fails, I'll grab one offline on my next paycheck.

The PSU I've already mentioned. I plan on ordering my build tonight so it ships out bright and early Monday, so I'll have to see how much the S&H is going to bump up my total cost and make adjustments from there.

As for the SSD, I don't foresee needing more than 128GB as I normally uninstall a game once I've finish it with the exception of a few games I continually go back to play over and over again.

And the Optical Drive... I really only need a DVD Burner since I have a blu-ray burner on my laptop and a blu-ray player downstairs in my living room hooked up to my HDTV. If I watch anything upstairs on my computer, it's going to be a normal DVD.
 

Stg-Flame

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New update: It seems everyone here (here, meaning Anandtech forums as a whole) is rather adamant about me knocking the 690 down to a 670 to save a lot of money since a single 670 can max any game on the market. I could go with a $400 670 now and go for SLI 690s once they drop in price or bump it up to the 700 series once it's released.

Though I assume I'll be ordering a new PSU along with the new GPU(s) at that time, so it might behoove me to grab a 750W now since I do plan on going for more powerful GPU(s) in the near future.
 

3DVagabond

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It's more than just the rating, it's the PSU quality as well. Also, I'd consider a real good 850w. Assuming worse case 2x Video cards, max O/C, can draw ~700W on their own.
 

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I'm building a new gaming rig and I believe I have all the parts I want in my order. However, the last detail I need for my setup is to see if my rig will bottleneck with such a powerful card.

Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge - 330
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO - 35
EVGA Signature 04G-P4-2692-KR GeForce GTX 690 - 1,050
SAMSUNG 8GB (2 x 4GB) - 45
CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 - 90
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB - 110
SAMSUNG 830 Series 128GB - 120
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 - 130
LITE-ON DVD Burner - 17
COOLER MASTER HAF 922 - 100
Logitech G500 - 50
RAZER Black USB Wired BlackWidow Ultimate - 113
Monitor - 0 **
RAZER Tiamat 7.1 - 180
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - 100

First off how is a 3770k ivy only 330 ?

Launch taskman or speedfan and look at your cores on the other monitor.. you will see it uses 30 percent to 50 percent CPU to power latest game BF2 or skyrim.

Its the other way around my friend. You dont know what a incredible CPU you have in your hands. With HT enabled... 8 beauties in speedfan :) Or is the 3770 the hexacore ? You can buy a CPU half that price and it will still dish out the same FPS ,,,,,,,, very high,,,,,,,, rarely in 50's .... gl
 

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LOL The only thing in my rig that hasn't aged is the ToughPower 700 watt 4 rails. Its still going strong. alto my mobo is a pos, cant even do 2401mhz craped p35 mobo :( If I had free money to go to comp I would upgrade mobo CPU and RAM! ASUS P79 $250 mobo and 550 cpu hexacore intel ?ivy 3970k ? This I know is 6 core 12 threads total.