Will this, less than a month overthrowing an Iraqi regime scare other countries in messing with us?
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i think more rogue countries now see the necessity of acquiring nukes as their best deterrent against a u.s. attack.
Really pointless. No country has messed with us for a very long time (since the collapse of Russia). Al-Quaeda isn't a country, and no matter what you're views on Iraq are, you have to realize they weren't messing with us.
By 'messing with us' do you mean threatening/attacking us? Let's hope it does act as a deterrent.
Wasnt there an article at the beginning of the war that the Russians were both surprised and alarmed at how the US military performed? I think that said a lot....
I'm sure that some countries who are not considered our allies like Russia, China and NK are feeling more threatened by us now and will increase their defense spending because of this. Overall, this episode (and Bush's administration in general) has been terrible for our international relations.
Because we might install a Patriot Act in their countries? BTW we have friendly relations with Russia and China. NK is not an ally though...the U.S. doesn't party with isolated, militant commie types...unless it's Saudi Arabi, Pakistan, Syria, etc. And, no, there is no double standard or hypocracy therein.
And you know what our relations were prior to this war and now....exactly how? In other words, you are now an expert in international relations and how this war has affected both short and long term relations, wow I'm impressed with your database of knowledge? I think people will see how well our military performed and say, "wow, we'd better not mess with the US"......unless someone spinless like Gore or Clinton is in office.
Kadarin
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I think we can take it as a given that military strategists of these other countries will take a long hard look at their own military organizations and attempt to come up with new doctrines and tactics to counter the current US way of war. This is something that occurs throughout history and is inevitable, and not anything to be paranoid about. To address your second point, it is true that international relationships will be affected in many ways, but somehow I don't think you are in possession of the intelligence assets and political resources to determine exactly how this will play out. I think we can take it as a given that with regard to Jacques Chirac and the French, the gloves are off and they have been exposed for being the asslickers that they are.
Exactly. The world sees the difference between US response to Saddam and Kim Jong Il.
I think countries are taking notice that large standing armies, conventional warfare, and international laws and organizations are out, asymetric warfare, tactical WMD, guerilla tactics are in.
the us will never go afte nk. Unlike iraq nk can and will self defend them self and we go to war with nk, thousand if not million of us solders will die in the war.
One only has to look at Iran's and NK actions and comments since the start of the war, was it part of the plan, yes, is it working, yes.
BTW the nuclear reactor in NK isn't even up and running so don't get your panties in a bunch about them....
BTW the nuclear reactor in NK isn't even up and running so don't get your panties in a bunch about them....
sandorski
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Yup, Iraq threatened nobody(by actions or words in the last decade), yet they got their butt kicked. If I was a leader of a country which had ideas of autonomy which didn't agree with American values/ways, I'd be doing everything in my power to acquire nukes. When you have nukes on your side, you have God on your side.
Iraq didn't do anything. Al Qaeda did. Let's not mix that up at least.
Anyway, I think what this may teach other countries is that a conventional war with the US is tantamount to suicide. You would be hit with a bomb before you even see a US soldier. What they need to do is get creative, September 11th style. nineteen to kill three thousand. So if you are a soldier in that country and you are probably going to die anyway against the US, you may as well die in an efficient attack than get blasted to bits in a rusty old tank. That said, it would still be suicide since the US would respond to a WMD attack. So they really can't win any way. But yes, I would think their fear of a "regime change" is greater now.
And for gosh sakes, let's not give Bush any crazy ideas about a pre-emptive nuclear attack.
Anyway, I think what this may teach other countries is that a conventional war with the US is tantamount to suicide. You would be hit with a bomb before you even see a US soldier. What they need to do is get creative, September 11th style. nineteen to kill three thousand. So if you are a soldier in that country and you are probably going to die anyway against the US, you may as well die in an efficient attack than get blasted to bits in a rusty old tank. That said, it would still be suicide since the US would respond to a WMD attack. So they really can't win any way. But yes, I would think their fear of a "regime change" is greater now.
And for gosh sakes, let's not give Bush any crazy ideas about a pre-emptive nuclear attack.
Yup, he keeps forgetting the fact Saddam launched over 50 banned missiles at Kuwait in the last few weeks... If he had repeated his previous atacks in the last 10 years it would have been during UN inspections, nothing would have shown their uselessness better..
This will not disuade any country or radical group who is hellbent to see America and/or Israel destroyed.
Remember, Saddam did not attack the US. He attacked his neighbors and his own people. Other Arab/Muslum countries will not forget that. The fact that we are going to liberate the Iraqi people from a bloody tyranical regime will fail to persuade the radicals of the world from seing the US as agressors and invaders. The teachers of radical islamic mosques will continue to raise up armies of gullable, intellectually weak morons to strap on suicide bombs and find innocent non threatening targets to unleash their unholly terror.
This is a battle of good verses evil. I do not understand why that seems to be lost in these conversations. You can rest assured the radical muslums think they are good and might is right, and so do the administration's of free countries believe what they battle is for God and country.
It will be when these two factions find reconsiliation that peace will be at hand. Do not look for that to happen until a major, Major MAJOR education (or baptism by fire) occurs.
People now do not want to learn. Warring is simpler and as close to animal instinct as it gets. It is a teritorial instinct that humans understand, and takes little intelect to absorb its meaning and outcome.
Peace demands a much better understanding and a compassion the likes this world hasn't seen in 2000 years. When warring people realize this, then we can have joy in knowing our homes are secure from the threat of evil tyranny.
IMHO
Remember, Saddam did not attack the US. He attacked his neighbors and his own people. Other Arab/Muslum countries will not forget that. The fact that we are going to liberate the Iraqi people from a bloody tyranical regime will fail to persuade the radicals of the world from seing the US as agressors and invaders. The teachers of radical islamic mosques will continue to raise up armies of gullable, intellectually weak morons to strap on suicide bombs and find innocent non threatening targets to unleash their unholly terror.
This is a battle of good verses evil. I do not understand why that seems to be lost in these conversations. You can rest assured the radical muslums think they are good and might is right, and so do the administration's of free countries believe what they battle is for God and country.
It will be when these two factions find reconsiliation that peace will be at hand. Do not look for that to happen until a major, Major MAJOR education (or baptism by fire) occurs.
People now do not want to learn. Warring is simpler and as close to animal instinct as it gets. It is a teritorial instinct that humans understand, and takes little intelect to absorb its meaning and outcome.
Peace demands a much better understanding and a compassion the likes this world hasn't seen in 2000 years. When warring people realize this, then we can have joy in knowing our homes are secure from the threat of evil tyranny.
IMHO
Kim Jong Il has missiles that could reach Alaska and the west coast. And he has nukes. And he is brazenly taunting and attempting to blackmail the US almost every week. Saddam launched scuds with no WMD into Kuwait, AFTER an invasion was launched on his country from Kuwait. What part of that difference don't you get? There are people in the Bush administration who are using 9/11 to implement their own geopolitical theories. Don't get NWO confused with WOT, like Dubya has done. He is going to squander this nation's fortune going after every single country that gets too powerful in any region, while isolating the US from everyone else, and running the economy into the ground and the country into huge debts. And when those other countries get nukes, all this effort will be for nothing, because they will be home safe.
Your story was at least holding together until you said this. As soon as I hear an someone call George Bush "Dubya", I immediately lose trust in their objectivity. Calling somebody by a demeaning pet name fills your post with bias, and after that point your intentions become clear and your message becomes suspect.
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