Will this GPU work in my pc rig? TIA

[PhilipO1964]

Guys, i need your expert advise. (I'm watching my special needs son this summer and i cannot spend hours upon hours looking up an answer)

Here's my pathetic rig..as wife made me stuck in late 2010 needing to go with a Dell, because of payment plan. (uhh)

After getting that pc, i took out the 5770, and replaced it with a 2GB 460, then later a 2GB 560Ti.(i mod GTA:IV like crazy, up to 1.6GB of vram needed to max out in 1080p)

Currently i'm getting a solid 30fps+ in BF3, Crysis 2, and even in GTA:IV..heavy modded(w/Levo Enb settings). But i'm getting dips down to 20fps(and sometime teens) in the larger BF3 mp maps, even though it still averages 30fps.

So it's why i looked into this GPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130785

I'm thinking it's the perfect fit for the pc rig and that i should be getting close to 55-60fps in those games in 1920*1080, which goes well with my 3D Plasma HDTV i have connected to it.(other is a 3D 120hz 23")

Then i can be set for maybe? the end of 2013, where i'll just get a new pc rig.(custom made, this time)

What worries me is last night a dell (online) rep said this gpu would not..or may not work with my pc, saying it's because the pc motherbd. is a PCI E 2.0, while the GPU card is a 3.0.

And this was one hour after i placed the order in to newegg!.

So now i'm concerned it may not work with my pc.

Here's my lousy pc specs:
(Studio XPS 9100, I7-930 at 2.8GHz(stock), 9GB Ram..ect)

http://www.dell.com/support/troubleshooting/us/en/19/Index?c=us&s=dhs&cs=19&l=en&t=system

In the doc's it says :--> PCI Express card up to 16X up to 300watts (makes no mention of 2.0, however)

Also the PS max watts is 525.

From reading all reviews on the 670 gpu's(and this certain gpu card), it only asks for a 500w ps, and it seems draws less then 300w, so i should be fine, power wise. (ntw: i installed no other drives or such since buying this pc)

I cannot afford to upgrade this pc as of now(just bought a new house..and doing major repairs so $$ is tight), so i'm just looking to get mt 2D in 1080p up to 60fps, and in 3D at 30fps.

So guys, will that GTX 670 work in this pc?

Thanks so much!. (i used to be a big geek with pc's, but then i had my son to watch over..daddy day care..lol, so it limits my reading up on everything like in the past)

Phil

 

[p_monks33]

I think you should be fine with this GPU selection. I don't know much about that power supply, but if it powers a 560TI fine, I don't see it having trouble with the 670. They draw very close to the same amount of power. The PCI-E 2.0 vs 3.0 is a non-issue. You may lose 1 FPS if even that due to the drop in bandwith from one to the other. Should be a killer rig.

 

[MentalIlness]

Dont listen to Dell. The 670 will indeed work in your motherboard.

 

[PhilipO1964]

I think you should be fine with this GPU selection. I don't know much about that power supply, but if it powers a 560TI fine, I don't see it having trouble with the 670. They draw very close to the same amount of power. The PCI-E 2.0 vs 3.0 is a non-issue. You may lose 1 FPS if even that due to the drop in bandwith from one to the other. Should be a killer rig.

Thanks for your reply and the info..as it sure helps to know PCI-E is indeed a non-issue.(as far as it working..i don't mind tiny losses in fps)

I must have spent 8 hrs google'ing up the whole 'will a 3.0 gpu card work in a 2.0 pic-E slot?' from last night..up most of the night, into the morning. I could not find one concrete answer, except for a general PCI-E is compatible from both angles(be it say a 1.0 card in a 2.0 slot, or a 2.0 in a 1.0 slot...ect).

About the power..indeed the 560ti and this upcoming 670 are almost identicle it seems, as that Palit 560Ti (2gb) asked for a 500 ps as a min., with the same 2*6 pin connectors.

Thanks for being kind about what this rig may be..it won't be a killer rig..lol(that's only true for users of sli 680's or such w/3 monitors, a far better cpu and more ram..ect), but for me if it gets me by until the end of 2013 and high end graphic engines run at 50+ fps in 1080p, i'd more then happy.

Also this 560Ti has always run at high temps..some close to 88 degrees C., and the fan is always at 90% when at load(BF3/Crysis 2..both maxed out). And the fans on it blow some air inside the case..so, i need a new gpu anyway, and i'd rather move up, then just spend $200 for the same type of gpu)

Thanks again!.

Phil

 

[PhilipO1964]

Dont listen to Dell. The 670 will indeed work in your motherboard.

Thanks you!. Usually i don't take what most dell agents says as being the correct thing, but after forking over $500 for a new gpu, it's not something i needed to hear...lol.

Thanks again.

Phil

 

[PhilipO1964]

One last question guys:

Last gpu i had(and have currently installed) was a Palit 560ti, and one of it's specs said 'min 500w ps [with a min 12v current rating of 30A]'

What the heck does 'min 12v current rating of 30A' mean?

TIA

 

[Jaydip]

It means in a typical system with 560ti it can pull 12*30=360Watts.I think u can find the config of this "typical system" in their web site.

 

[PhilipO1964]

It means in a typical system with 560ti it can pull 12*30=360Watts.I think u can find the config of this "typical system" in their web site.

Thanks for the info

I'm gathering the 12v is common for all gpu's? (with only the watts changing for each gpu), and that the most important thing is what it's pulling in from the pci Express slot.

If that true about up to 360watts..wow, this pci-e 2.0 slot allows only 300watts, and i'm suprised i had no shutdowns under near/full load with the 560Ti, currently installed.

Thanks again.

Phil

 

[Jaydip]

Thats for the whole system not just the graphics card.

 

[moonbogg]

I think you made the best possible choice for your current system. A 670 is the perfect upgrade for that rig until you do a rebuild. If you still get dips in the 30's or even lower, don't be sad. It will be your CPU's fault if that happens.

 

[WiseUp216]

Just a quick caveat that I feel I should share:

I bought my 670 to put into a Dell XPS 8300 (Sandy Bridge, H67) and the card would not post. Dell has known since April that the 600 series cards are not recognized by the mobo and are not going to release a BIOS update.

I did a quick Google search regarding your motherboard and any compatibility issues but I did not see anything. Maybe you should check out the Dell forums and see if anyone else is running the same setup.

I think you'll be OK but I figured it couldn't hurt to let you know. Definitely the right card to buy if you can.

 

[PhilipO1964]

I think you made the best possible choice for your current system. A 670 is the perfect upgrade for that rig until you do a rebuild. If you still get dips in the 30's or even lower, don't be sad. It will be your CPU's fault if that happens.

Thanks, i thought at first it would be overkill until a few weeks ago, playing one of BF3's larger maps(large conquest type), my fps dipped with alot on screen to 15 or so, and i got killed a bunch of times, when the same ammount of crazy effects where going on screen. Then with Crysis 2(ultra..maxed everything) in sp, one of the later levels was dipping to 20fps and kinda unplayable.

I know it was because of the gpu(560ti is a nice card..just not to max out in 1080p without some dips in teens) as i lowered res. to 1280*720, and i never had dips that low.

And yeah..if it still happens with the 670, then it's indeed the cpu, of which i'll oc it, or just go with a new motherbd/cpu/case combo. But i'd really like to avoid that until late 13'.

So yeah, i was thinking the 670 is as good as it gets with this weak ps(525w) and so-so cpu, and just a nice fit overall, until i go with a new pc build.

After seeing the specs on the 670(just 5-10% slower then the 680) and it's ps rating of needng only 500w (min), i was shocked NVidia pulled it off, with a lower power consuming gpu card, that runs the top gfx games at 60fps..maxed, in 1080p. That's impressive!.

Add to that lower heat distribution, and that another huge plus. This Palit 560ti hits near 90 C, unless i have my ac blasting right next to it.

Nearly double the fps(hopefully), lower load heat, and i'm sure a fan that won't be annoying(like this 560 is), and it fits in this Dell pos..lol, as well.

Thanks again..heck thanks to everyone here!, you guys are great

Phil

 

[PhilipO1964]

Just a quick caveat that I feel I should share:

I bought my 670 to put into a Dell XPS 8300 (Sandy Bridge, H67) and the card would not post. Dell has known since April that the 600 series cards are not recognized by the mobo and are not going to release a BIOS update.

I did a quick Google search regarding your motherboard and any compatibility issues but I did not see anything. Maybe you should check out the Dell forums and see if anyone else is running the same setup.

I think you'll be OK but I figured it couldn't hurt to let you know. Definitely the right card to buy if you can.

That pc rig(xps 8300) was a nice pc...by dell standards, and got solid reviews. Specs were good, except it had only a 460w ps. Maybe i'm wrong here, but no GTX 600 card will work with a ps that low. I know the 660 is set for release soon and for sure will have a lower ps requirment, but you'll need a gpu that requires a ps of 450w.

The 560 needed a 500w, so that would not work with that xps 8300.

What was Dell thinking? I remember when looking in late 2010' and seeing the Dell 8300 lineup..but with it's smaller ps, wow...i knew that i could never add more then a gtx 460 into it. (as i believe the 460 only needed a 450w ps)

And i thought a 525 watt ps was low end..wow, Dell should be embarrassed.

There is no way a GTX 670 would work with that XPS 8300, as the ps is just too weak.

Are you sure this was a motherboard issue or a ps issue?

btw: I'm real sorry to hear the 670 would not work with your XPS 8300. If possible get a new case and ps. I know for sure i would if i was stuck with a 460w ps. Even with a 525w ps, i cannot wait to buy a new pc sometime in 2013, one that is custom built with a much higher ps.

 

[WiseUp216]

That pc rig(xps 8300) was a nice pc...by dell standards, and got solid reviews. Specs were good, except it had only a 460w ps. Maybe i'm wrong here, but no GTX 600 card will work with a ps that low. I know the 660 is set for release soon and for sure will have a lower ps requirment, but you'll need a gpu that requires a ps of 450w.

The 560 needed a 500w, so that would not work with that xps 8300.

What was Dell thinking? I remember when looking in late 2010' and seeing the Dell 8300 lineup..but with it's smaller ps, wow...i knew that i could never add more then a gtx 460 into it. (as i believe the 460 only needed a 450w ps)

And i thought a 525 watt ps was low end..wow, Dell should be embarrassed.

There is no way a GTX 670 would work with that XPS 8300, as the ps is just too weak.

Are you sure this was a motherboard issue or a ps issue?

btw: I'm real sorry to hear the 670 would not work with your XPS 8300. If possible get a new case and ps. I know for sure i would if i was stuck with a 460w ps. Even with a 525w ps, i cannot wait to buy a new pc sometime in 2013, one that is custom built with a much higher ps.

I had a Corsair GS600 (same as my sig rig). I only booted up the Dell once with the stock PSU to make sure it worked and then put the 600W & a GTX 460 in it.

It was absolutely a motherboard issue. Dell acknowledged and Nvidia/EVGA have both said they were working on fixes but that it would be a while before we saw anything.

I said the hell with it and built a new PC. Never buying a pre-built PC ever again.

Whole sordid tale here: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=226007&st=0

 

[PhilipO1964]

I had a Corsair GS600 (same as my sig rig). I only booted up the Dell once with the stock PSU to make sure it worked and then put the 600W & a GTX 460 in it.

It was absolutely a motherboard issue. Dell acknowledged and Nvidia/EVGA have both said they were working on fixes but that it would be a while before we saw anything.

I said the hell with it and built a new PC. Never buying a pre-built PC ever again.

Whole sordid tale here: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=226007&st=0

Wow, that's one nightmare of a story. You even changed the ps...wow.

You said you put the 600w ps in and a 460. I'm sure the gtx460 worked ok, right?(those only needed 450w)

And it never booted with the 670, right?

Obviously Dell put in a motherboard that was useless in a new ps, as they figured most whom bought that pc, would not upgrade the ps, so why worry about gpu's higher then the 460?

To make it simple, maybe they were thinking, since the 460 needs only a 450w ps, why put into bios anything higher then a gtx460, as the stock ps would not handle it?

I'm sure i'm off base..i'm just guessing here at why Dell would do this. D:

And i agree..as i'm sure every pc gamer would as well, to never buy a pre-built pc rig.

good luck with your new rig..at least you don't need the hassles of a Dell pos anymore, right?

btw: Is Dell serious in charging 2K for a Alienware config, that has only 8GB of Ram, a I7 4GHz chip(3rd gen) and a gtx 680? What a ripoff!.

FWIW: I was stuck in late 2010 to go with Dell, as money was extremely tight and was in process of buying a new house. Hell would have to freeze over before i go with Dell ever again. And i never used the're bs overrated customer support, even once in over a yr. I got lucky with that xps9100, as it ran only $1100(nov 2010) and i got off some $$ with sending back the stock ati gpu, so it ran me only about 1K. Since then only added a 460 and 560..and sold the 460 to get the 560 for only $100 more. So while i cannot stand this pc rig..it was not a terrible deal, but now the Dell pricing is alot higher then others..they are really overcharging way too much.