will these choices of WC components beat my current xp120?

[chinkgai]

hi all, im not quite too happy with my panaflo m1a/xp120 (86cfm/35.5dba) setup right now since it has become a difficult hurdle in my quest for my max oc. on load it hits around 47-51

im absolutely new to watercooling or and i've chosen some componenents that i hope would work well together. here they are:

danger den copper TDX

Eheim 1250 pump

i was unsure about the radiator/heatercore, so i asked a friend who knows a bit more about cars than i do and he pointed me here:

B&M SuperCooler oil cooler

this radiator should be able to fit two 120mm fans side by side...which is my plan

how would it fare vs other radiators like the black ice or something?

by the way...all this stuff would be in 3/8 in fittings and tubing

would 1/2 fittings noticeably better? is that eheim pump loud? last question...if my case doesnt fit all this (super lanboy), can i just have it sit on top or something...or is a new bigger case required?

 

[HardWarrior]

I'm not sure about the exchanger, but in general you'll get fine performance from the TDX, much better than air.

 

[chinkgai]

rofl, im so newbie...i dont know what you mean by "exchanger"! lol

enlighten me

 

[HardWarrior]

You'll learn. "Exchanger" is a fancy way of saying radiator.

 

[chinkgai]

yeap edumacation is the game

anyone else want to school me?

 

[Miklebud]

Get a 86 Chevette heatercore if you have limited space (1 120mm fan), otherwise get a Bonneville heatercore for 2 120mm fans. Cheapest solution and best possible cooling. Team one of those up with a 1250 and a TDX, you'll have a great WC'ing setup.

Edit- yes that setup would be a bit cooler than your XP120.

 

[HardWarrior]

Cheapest for sure, until you include all the hassles associated with using one. Best performance? That's a fib, and it's tiring to constantly hear it from people who are simply cheap and need a lame excuse to justify it.

 

[chinkgai]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Cheapest for sure, until you include all the hassles associated with using one. Best performance? That's a fib, and it's tiring to constantly hear it from people who are simply cheap and need a lame excuse to justify it.

care to elaborate?

 

[Mercdoc]

Whats wrong with using a heater core?? after all that is all a heat exchanger for water cooling is. The heater core for my truck was only 18 usd and it fits a 5.25 bay nicely. You can get universal mounting kits for 10 usd. Just because it is cheaper does not mean it is not as good as the name brand boys. But due to case space and just trying to keep it neat, I am using a swiftech 12cm rad and a delta 12cm fan with danger den maze4 cpu water block and a swiftech pump. I have swiftech water block for my 6800 but I have not mounted it yet, have not had a reason yet, my temps are below 55 under load not to mention I just dont feel like voiding my warrenty just yet. LOL

 

[HardWarrior]

Did anyone SAY that using a HC was "wrong?" Nope. Only tight-assed, know-nothings whine about what other people use. Chinkgai, contact me PM if you want some elaboration. This is a stale argument that always ends up the same way. And that's with the "Heatercores are the BEST!!! (giggle)" crowd eating their words and being pissed like babies about it.

 

[Mercdoc]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Did anyone SAY that using a HC was "wrong?" Nope. Only tight-assed, know-nothings whine about what other people use. Chinkgai, contact me PM if you want some elaboration. This is a stale argument that always ends up the same way. And that's with the "Heatercores are the BEST!!! (giggle)" crowd eating their words and being pissed like babies about it.

Sounds like the only tight @ssed whiner is ______ (fill in the blank yourself), all I said is that wc rads are the same as a heat core. And for a tight budget person there is nothing wrong with using one. The only thing really different in a hc verses a rad are the missing mounting holes and with a universal mounting kit they mount super easy. I do not know why folks have to make such a fuss over this. And I did not say anyone said "wrong" I just asked what is wrong with using one since the thought of using one seems to ruffle your skirt. And I agree that these battles only end with no wins. What it comes down too is what works best for that person, if you know what I mean.

 

[HeaterCore]

All right, all right, enough already. We've been over this. It's apparently a touchy subject all around, for some reason I can't fathom (and I've been there myself...).

Chinkgai, your pump and block selections are right on the money, but I wouldn't get that oil cooler. It's just not as well-suited for these purposes as some others, like for example that '86 Chevette core. It's also more expensive than a premodded core from D-Tek or DangerDen, and you won't have to break out the soldering iron for those. Take a good look at those cores and see what you think.

-HC-

 

[chinkgai]

Originally posted by: HeaterCore
All right, all right, enough already. We've been over this. It's apparently a touchy subject all around, for some reason I can't fathom (and I've been there myself...).

Chinkgai, your pump and block selections are right on the money, but I wouldn't get that oil cooler. It's just not as well-suited for these purposes as some others, like for example that '86 Chevette core. It's also more expensive than a premodded core from D-Tek or DangerDen, and you won't have to break out the soldering iron for those. Take a good look at those cores and see what you think.

-HC-

how big is that chevette core? can i fit two 120mm fans side by side? you said you dont have to break out the soldering iron for it, so i assume it has barbs? what sized?

last question, where do i get it from? like kragen? just go to an auto store and ask for a heatercore from a 86 chevette? thanks everyone!

 

[Jen]

chevette heater core is 6 x 7 roughly , good for a single 120 mm fan front and back for push and pull if you have room for it. this is also a good size heater core for a single cpu system.

with a bigger heater core say out of a chevy truck you get maybe 3 to 5c cooler tempuratures. you then use up to four 120mm fans if you want.

depending what case you have or if this is external will help determine what will fit

for pump i would look at the aquaxtreme as this is what i use for my computer. it performs as good as my dan mag 3 i had but much smaller and quieter.

for waterblock what you have chosen should work well with #4 nozzle ,


mid tower case you can fit a chevette heater core in easy enough , anything bigger may be difficult

for 3/8 to 1/2 inch lines the debate goes on what is best , i use 1/2 inch size lines for my case


hugs

Jen

 

[HeaterCore]

how big is that chevette core? can i fit two 120mm fans side by side? you said you dont have to break out the soldering iron for it, so i assume it has barbs? what sized?

last question, where do i get it from? like kragen? just go to an auto store and ask for a heatercore from a 86 chevette? thanks everyone!

I don't know about the Chevette core except that it's a favorite in the community and performs well, and that it takes a single 120mm fan. You're right to be careful with the size. I've got DangerDen's dual-120mm core, and it's too wide to be mounted in a 5-1/4" bay. Be very careful when looking at the sizes, and keep in mind that the Black Ice series will generally be a better physical fit if you don't want to get your hands dirty modding your case. (Unless you've got a gigantic case, that is.)

Yeah, they've got barbs, generally in whatever size you order them. I'd suggest 1/2" all around.

You can get them directly from the sites, DangerDen.com or DtekCustoms.com. Dtek only sells single-120mm models.

Oh, and whatever you choose make sure to get a shroud.

-HC-

 

[chinkgai]

yeah im going to try to get 1/2 barbs.

as for the chevette, i wanted something a bit bigger. i was told the bonneville heatcore would fit two 120mm fans. any ideas on that?

also for the pump, i might go for the aquaextreme since some people recommended it over the eheim.

where can i buy the aquaextreme for a good price (or the swiftech mcp600 since they're the same supposedly)

thanks everyone!

 

[HeaterCore]

The Bonne is another favorite, and I'm pretty sure Danger Den's dual-120mm core is based on it. Make sure to plan your radiator placement before buying it! It's bigger than it looks. Also, keep in mind that you'll need a shroud for it. Danger Den offers one for a few bucks more, but it's really not the best; too little separation between fan and core, too angular. But if you can't find anything better, it'll do in a pinch, and you really do need a shroud.

Dunno about the Aquaextreme, though the reviews are good. There are definite advantages in going with a DC pump, the obvious one being that you don't need a relay. They also tend to be smaller than AC units, and the latest models push a hell of a lot of water. The only downside is that, at least in the past, they tended to be less reliable than AC units, but I'm not sure that that's still the case. If you go that route, you might also want to look at Danger Den's DDC-12V unit. It's tiny, silent, and though the flow rating is lower it makes up for it with great head pressure, which works well with the TDX block.

For pricing, try Google, I hear it's sweet.

-HC-

 

[Tyrant222]

cooltechnia.com

you can get everything there for a decent price.

i do suggest the TDX, the aquaxtreme 50z, a poly res, and whatever rad floats your boat

 

[Idleuser]

chinkgai... make sure you dont buy the dangerden dual 120mm heatercore they wont fit in the 5.25 bay as mention... they are based on the 199 bonneville with AC which makes them wider you would want to get a 302 I would break down mysetup like this:

Aquaextreme 50z pump aka mcp600
DangerDen copper TDX or (RBX for 3 barb configuration)
1997 Bonneville heatercore with 2 high static pressure fans 120x38mm (delta's or Panaflo, sanyo denki fell from the face of the earth.)

or

DAngerden DDC aka MCP350
Swiftech MCW6000a
bonneville heatercore or a black ice pro 2 if you got the money to spare.
again 120x38mm for a heatercore or a 120x25mm for a black ice pro 2

The reason for the mcp350 is that even though it has a great head ft. rate the gpm has been compromised but with the aquaextreme you get the best of both worlds... high head and high gpm... the mcp600 or aquaextreme is formidable if you run it at 13.8volts!!!

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[HeaterCore]

Definitely right about the size of the DD unit. The only reason I was able to mount it without too much hassle is because my CM Stacker has a giant intake on the floor of the case. The 199 (BTW, the numbers refer to the manufacturer's numbering system, e.g. the Fedco 2-302 and 2-199) performs slightly better than the 302 because of the added surface area, but the 302 is much more manageable if you don't have a ludicrously large case.

Idle, how much difference do you see between the 25mm and 38mm fans? I'm thinking of switching. Would the higher pressures increase performance, or reduce noise at the same performance level?

-HC-

 

[chinkgai]

this thread has been most edumacating

i think i've made my final choices!

aquaextreme 50z/mcp600
dangerden tdx (or rbx, the difference between the two escapes me )
bonneville heatercore (probably the 302 since i dont have a huge case...yet )

would kragen be the cheapest place to buy the bonne 302?

as for fitment, im probably gona get it all setup and stuff and let it just sit like spilled guts for the time being then try to cram it into a thermaltake armor

heatercore: thankfully you told me what the 199 and the 302 meant! i kept seeing them but i kept forgettin to ask! :laugh:

idleuser: hey you gave me advice at xtreme too! im gona take it! (your advice i mean)

 

[HeaterCore]

Since you're already on Xtremesystems, you should PM a guy named Weapon. He premods and sells 302s with integrated shrouds. They look pretty swanky, but I've got no idea what they cost.

[edit] And the difference between the TDX and the RBX is that the latter uses a single-intake, dual-outflow setup that requires a somewhat complicated tubing setup, while the TDX accomplishes mostly the same effect with a clever internal design. I'd go with the TDX (wait, I did go with the TDX ) because it's much more manageable, even though the RBX might get you an extra degree or so.

-HC-

 

[Idleuser]

heatercore, the 38mm and thicker fins gives a huge advantage ofr a 25mm fan... I got some 120x25mm enermax clear blade that are pretty quiet and pushes alot of air and has a good static pressure I would estimate atleast .250 h2o static pressure while my delta are pushing well over .420h2o... again I don't have stats on the fans since it can't be found anywhere online... however the delta specs are online and let me tell you that sucker will not stall!!!

chinkgai, no problem glad I can help... I wouldn't buy a bonneville heatercore mainly because you have to mod it... for the time and effort you put in, it would be better to just get one that is premod. they go for like 17.99 at autozone not modded meaning you hav eto chop the heatercore piping and then rethread/add fittings or weld them with 5/8" tubing.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Mercdoc

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Did anyone SAY that using a HC was "wrong?" Nope. Only tight-assed, know-nothings whine about what other people use. Chinkgai, contact me PM if you want some elaboration. This is a stale argument that always ends up the same way. And that's with the "Heatercores are the BEST!!! (giggle)" crowd eating their words and being pissed like babies about it.

Sounds like the only tight @ssed whiner is ______ (fill in the blank yourself), all I said is that wc rads are the same as a heat core. And for a tight budget person there is nothing wrong with using one. The only thing really different in a hc verses a rad are the missing mounting holes and with a universal mounting kit they mount super easy. I do not know why folks have to make such a fuss over this. And I did not say anyone said "wrong" I just asked what is wrong with using one since the thought of using one seems to ruffle your skirt. And I agree that these battles only end with no wins. What it comes down too is what works best for that person, if you know what I mean.

Can you read or are you just retarded? NO ONE said there was anything wrong with using a core. Your question was asinine and misleading, just like everything else you said.

 

[Mercdoc]

I can read, maybe just a little slow. And if you ask my wife she may say I am retarded at times.BUT I don't understand why or how my question was asinine or misleading. I mean, really what is so bad with using a heater core instead of a water cooling rad??? And please explain "just like everythiing else you said". Nothing I posted was a lie. If so then correct me, I don't want to mislead anyone. BUT by telling someone that if you don't use "name brand" you have not done it right. Cause that is misleading and a plain lie. One can see by your list of items in your sig that you have spent a good amount of $$$ into your system, all name brand too. Does that mean it is any better than someone that does not use the names. I have done it both ways. The heater core was better for temps for me but the 12cm rad from swiftech worked better for my case. And that is what it boils down to, what works best for that person.