Will there ever be a better AGP card than the 6800Ultra/850XT PE?

[Rage187]

Buy a ASROCK Dual 939, I paid $65 and it came w/ S939 AGP and PCI-Express. And it has stellar performance, and with the bios update it added alot of OC features.

 

[Killmenow]

Originally posted by: Budarow
Mark my words BOTH the X1000 and 7000 series of cards will have AGP by May of 06. ATI will offer AGP first soon followed by nVidia.

How certain is this......from what I have heard.....its not very likely.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: Killmenow

Originally posted by: Budarow
Mark my words BOTH the X1000 and 7000 series of cards will have AGP by May of 06. ATI will offer AGP first soon followed by nVidia.

How certain is this......from what I have heard.....its not very likely.

I'm not sure why he's claiming his opinion as fact. It's certainly possible that AGP cards will be available at some point, but there have been no such plans announced. If he's right, then you can wait 6 months and buy a faster card in AGP. If he's wrong, then you (might) wait 6 months and end up with nothing better than what you can get today. It just depends on how badly you're wanting to upgrade now...

For what it's worth, I think that any high-end 6800GT/U or X850XT type card will be a vast improvement over your 9800 Pro, and you'll be quite happy with it. Unless you play at pretty high resolutions, I think they'll be sufficient for you even if newer cards do become available.

 

[Killmenow]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: Killmenow

Originally posted by: Budarow
Mark my words BOTH the X1000 and 7000 series of cards will have AGP by May of 06. ATI will offer AGP first soon followed by nVidia.

How certain is this......from what I have heard.....its not very likely.

I'm not sure why he's claiming his opinion as fact. It's certainly possible that AGP cards will be available at some point, but there have been no such plans announced. If he's right, then you can wait 6 months and buy a faster card in AGP. If he's wrong, then you (might) wait 6 months and end up with nothing better than what you can get today. It just depends on how badly you're wanting to upgrade now...

For what it's worth, I think that any high-end 6800GT/U or X850XT type card will be a vast improvement over your 9800 Pro, and you'll be quite happy with it. Unless you play at pretty high resolutions, I think they'll be sufficient for you even if newer cards do become available.

Heh, my thoughts exactly........I'm trying to find a X850XT PE right now.....but living in CANADA doesnt help. T___T heh

 

[x2plasma]

Originally posted by: Rage187
Buy a ASROCK Dual 939, I paid $65 and it came w/ S939 AGP and PCI-Express. And it has stellar performance, and with the bios update it added alot of OC features.

My Dual939 has been awesome, and I can upgrade to PCIe when I need to.

6800GT + overclock is a good combo.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Budarow
Mark my words BOTH the X1000 and 7000 series of cards will have AGP by May of 06. ATI will offer AGP first soon followed by nVidia.

IMO....economics and NOT technology will drive both ATI and nVidia to produce AGP parts.

Also, can anyone lend me $5k so I can short ATI's stock (i.e., all my dough's in retirement accounts and I can't short stock in any of them)? I'll give it back with 5% interest towards the end of December

Nah, I don't know about that. AGP is not the domain of "top of the line" anyomore. Anyone buying a new system within the past year would have gotten a PCI-e board if they were going high end.

So, AGP is becoming the domain of mid range and low end cards. 6800/X800/X850 cards are excellent mid range cards; there are enough AGP cards out there already to satisfy everything but the top of the line. And, as said before, top of the line means PCI-e.

Next year will be a second generation of PCI-e chips (AMD X2 with DDR2 and 65nm Intel P4's and Pentium D's, with the "Pentium-M based CPU's" coming out LATE 2006).

So, if you plan on getting a 7800 or X1800 class card, plan on getting a new motherboard.

When you're spending $500 on a graphics card, how difficult is it to buy a $100-150 motherboard with it? You can probably sell your old board for a good chunk of the price of the new one, anyway.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: Killmenow

Originally posted by: Budarow
Mark my words BOTH the X1000 and 7000 series of cards will have AGP by May of 06. ATI will offer AGP first soon followed by nVidia.

How certain is this......from what I have heard.....its not very likely.

I'm not sure why he's claiming his opinion as fact. It's certainly possible that AGP cards will be available at some point, but there have been no such plans announced. If he's right, then you can wait 6 months and buy a faster card in AGP. If he's wrong, then you (might) wait 6 months and end up with nothing better than what you can get today. It just depends on how badly you're wanting to upgrade now...

For what it's worth, I think that any high-end 6800GT/U or X850XT type card will be a vast improvement over your 9800 Pro, and you'll be quite happy with it. Unless you play at pretty high resolutions, I think they'll be sufficient for you even if newer cards do become available.

everyone else claims their opinion as fact . . . at least in Video :Q

:roll:

i am waiting also as i *believe* that ATI will release a x1800xt in AGP . . . it won't "cost" them extra [they can pass the extra $10 cost for the bridge chip on to their AGP customers] nor will it *hurt* anything

IF they sense "demand" ATI - or its partners - can easily make an AGP r520.

simple as that



if not, i am picking up a xbox360 as my "alternative" to pc gaming

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Next year will be a second generation of PCI-e chips (AMD X2 with DDR2 and 65nm Intel P4's and Pentium D's, with the "Pentium-M based CPU's" coming out LATE 2006).

So why should i upgrade now? . . . QUIT telling me how *easy* it is to "Upgrade" my MB, RAM, PS and CPU [and reinstall my o/s and apps] just 'cause i [simply] want a better videocard.
:thumbsdown:

i will upgrade when "i" want to . . .

 

[Paratus]

The simple fact is you can still to this very day go into any B&M electronics store and buy a PCI video card. With the millions of higher end socket 478 P4s out their (sold by Dell and others) with no easy way to updgrade to a PCIe mobo and the thousands of nforce 3 / AGP skt 754 and early 939 users who don't want to go through the hassle of reinstalling everything there will be demand. ATI will put out AGP cards once they get a handle on their new series. NVIDIA will do it once their inventory of 6 series cards gets low and ATI releases their AGP cards. At least thats my theory.

The other thing is that this is the perfect time to put out another set of AGP cards. Any AMD A64 AGP board or P4 2.8Ghz and up AGP system has more than enough power to play any modern game with a GTX or X1800 card. Hell I think it was firingsquad who did a CPU comparison of FEAR and showed that there was NO DIFFERENCE between an FX57 and a 3.0GHZ P4 in FEAR at 1600x1200 4AA/8AF (30FPS to 29FPS). Couple that with the fact that we know there is no difference in FPS on AGP 8X or PCIE 16X and you can see there is no technical reason not offer new AGP cards. The only reasons are financial which will be overcome if only a fraction of the installed AGP user base wants a high end upgrade.

My advice - Be Patient.

 

[Malladine]

I'm sitting on an A7n8X (nforce 2) motherboard. I have just about the fastest socket a cpu available and a 9800 non-pro w/ 1gb ddr333 ram. So yeah, i'm in the same position.

Currently i'm aiming for a simple gpu upgrade, probably a x800xl. I'm thinking it should be a nice enough boost to take me into '07, albeit in economy class

The other option I have is, as Rage mentioned twice, the asrock ULi motherboard. If I went that route, i'd upgrade the motherboard and cpu for $250 or so, the same cost as the x800xl. Thing is, I fairly recently upgraded to the 3000+ and replaced the motherboard from a gigabyte that broke.

I'll probably just buy the x800xl. No way in hell i'm buying a next gen. I'm not crossing to the dark side yet.

 

[Killmenow]

Heh, ok, I more or less just bought a X850XT PE since upgrading my Mobo was not really an option. The way I saw it, there will be no higher end AGP card for a good few months, IF ever; and even if there is, I can decide then weither or not I want to upgrade then based on the price, solid facts, and my needs. Waiting forever for nothign would kill me, and chance are that if somethign DID get releases, I wouldnt easily find a second hand product so I would have to get burnt paying the extra "new crap" premium. If this card serves me well, then I might not even need a 7800GTX ^__^. Well, thanks for all the help guys.

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

When you're spending $500 on a graphics card, how difficult is it to buy a $100-150 motherboard with it? You can probably sell your old board for a good chunk of the price of the new one, anyway.

It's a pain in the ass Jiffy. Gutting out a computer like mine for instance, socket 939, just to get another motherboard with the same CPU socket? Doesn't make any sense at all. To me that's money down the drain just because Nvidia does not think there is a demand for it. So Ill wait until next year when DDR2, 65nm x2's(maybe?) and whatever PCI-e derivative comes out then.

 

[Killmenow]

Originally posted by: Regs
It's a pain in the ass

Heh, changing mobo is too much work for me. Just the physical task of doing it is depressing. If someone were to offer to give me a better case for free.......I would probably say no because of the sheer amount of work I would have to produce. Changing a mobo and PSU would amount to the same amount of work, if not more...actually DEFINETLY more. Man.....University sucks (no time at all for useless stuff)

 

[kleinwl]

Originally posted by: Killmenow

Originally posted by: Regs
It's a pain in the ass

Heh, changing mobo is too much work for me. Just the physical task of doing it is depressing. If someone were to offer to give me a better case for free.......I would probably say no because of the sheer amount of work I would have to produce. Changing a mobo and PSU would amount to the same amount of work, if not more...actually DEFINETLY more. Man.....University sucks (no time at all for useless stuff)

Wait until you get into real life... work/kids/wife... then you'll be happy that you can find time to think about upgrading your machine... much less actually doing it.