I haven an AGP mobo and I am not exactly planing to switch to PCI-E anytime in the near future. I do however want to upgrade from my 9800pro. Is it likely that anyone will release a better AGP vcard than the 6800Ultra/X850XT PE? If the answer is no, then I might as well consider upgrading now, since that would allow me to benefit from the upgrade earlier. T__T
Will there ever be a better AGP card than the 6800Ultra/850XT PE?
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At this point, it really doesn't look like it. Everything on the high end (and even in the mid range and low end) seems to be moving to PCI-E pretty quickly these days. While it's not entirely out of the question for a 7800-series or X1800-series card to be released for AGP at some point, I'd honestly be surprised if it happened. If you can find a good price on a 6800/X800/X850 series card in AGP (which shouldn't be too hard to do, especially if you buy used since people are upgrading from them), I'd say go for it.
Both companies have stated they will not be making a high end AGP card. So, I would upgrade now, since its not very likely they will make any new cards in AGP.
T___T Thx guys, I guess I'll be looking for a used 6800 or X850 pretty soon. Which card do you guys recommend, taking the future games and my system specs into consideration (btw, 3200+ is at 2.55Ghz right now). I usually dont run at a res higher than 1024, but I am rather picky about the FPS. I have looked at a few benchies, but nothing seems to point out a clear winner.
nitromullet
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Either a 6800GT, 6800Ultra, X800XT, or X850XTPE would be a great card for that rig. I would just price shop any of those cards. You really can't go wrong with any of these cards.
Since it would probably be the last card I buy for a long while (well, untill I change my rig entirely), do you guys recommend I go for the extra performance of the Ultra or XT/XTPE? This is depressing T___T 7800's are only a few bucks more than the far inferior AGP performance leaders........but it would cost me a fortune to switch over to a PCI-E rig......and I don't want to lose my CPU overclock. WHO oh why can't they make an AGP version of the 7800 *tear tear*
A fortune? dont DFI motherboards cost ~100+ ? thats all you would need. i just upgraded and i only needed a mobo and graphics card. besides a mobo is only 30% the price of a graphics card yet comes with many new features.
apoppin
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IF there is "demand" ati or its patners will make a x1800xt in AGP . . . the bridge chip is available and it is cheap . . . this subject has been brought up many times . . . do a 'search' for more opinion.
IF there is "demand" ati or its patners will make a x1800xt in AGP . . . the bridge chip is available and it is cheap . . . this subject has been brought up many times . . . do a 'search' for more opinion.
You have a 939 proc so there is no reason not to get a new mobo and get pci-x. My roomate
was in a similar situation, except hes stuck with socket 754. One possibility to spread the cost out is getting the mobo now (say the asrock dual which many people with higher agp cards are getting to bridge the gap) and get your card later.
was in a similar situation, except hes stuck with socket 754. One possibility to spread the cost out is getting the mobo now (say the asrock dual which many people with higher agp cards are getting to bridge the gap) and get your card later.
Bartokomus
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get the $100 mobo and the slightly cheaper vids and you spend as much as you would on the high end agp part. sell the old mobo and recoup some money.
voila!
voila!
WhoBeDaPlaya
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It shouldn't be too hard to sell that Neo2 Plat and you can easily get a good OC board such as the Neo4-F for ~$85 . . . seriously, there's really no reason not to switch to PCI-E nowadays, hell, in a few monthes I'll be switching out my Neo2 Plat for an SLI/Crossfire board . . .
I did the ASROCK Dual 939 ULi route. That way I only had to upgrade my chip and the mobo, and I moved up to PCI-Ex when I was ready.
Heh, not that simple; PCI-E would also mean getting a new PSU.....and I wouldnt settle for anything less than a OCZ Powerstream :evil: Also, I have hear or people getting a lower OC from the Neo 4 when switching from a Neo 2. I <3 my Neo 2 ^__^. One last silly thing.....I spent like an infinite amount of hours managing the damn wires in my Mobo.........i swear, wires are hidded away in magical places, so I really dont have the time and effort to re-OC to something worse and reinstall a PSU. Oh, and being in Uni doesnt help either........can't really sell my old hardware......all them boxes are at home.
Aparrently, according to a thread on HardForums, the only card that we might see in AGP might be the X1600.....not sure though.
The Only recent group of people that can't upgrade just to a PCI-e Mobo is the Socket A and S478 groups. The S478 group can still go PCIe without replacing the CPU but I believe the boards use DDR2 so memory aslo needs to be traded. So really only AXP users can't go to a PCIe setup anyways. For the most part that doesn't matter because a 7800 on even a AthlonXP 3200+ is only going to perform like a 6800U or worse (not worse so muchas a 6800U would beat a 7800GTX but that both migh end up getting held back). Even 3 year old Opteron users have PCIe mobos they can get.
Well you won't necessarily need a new PSU. Only DFI boards require native 24-pin support. Most other PCI-E boards support 20-24 pin adaptors. Also i don't see why you would see a lower overclocking switching from Neo2 to Neo4 unless the board you use is not as good as the previous one. I mean Neo4-F does 300+ FSB so I don't think the board would limit your OC. But yeah, one reason I still haven't upgraded my Neo2 is because that meant I'd have to mess with the wires and probably resetup my waterchill which would be a drag. But hey, it's probably worth it to make your system future proof . . .
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T__T, I really dont think my PSU (see below) can handle a high OC and a card like the 7800GTX.......I mean........If i'll be getting a PCI-E mobo, then no doubt it would be so that I can get a card > than the current AGP performance leaders......and frankly, I dont have enough money for a card + mobo let alone a card + mobo + PSU. But then again...............if the Neo 4's would allow me to reach the same OC, I might actually consider it..... This might be a bit off topic, but has anyone switched from a Neo 2 to a Neo 4 here???? I would be confident getting a DFI board, but that means a new PSU for sure. So, what do you guys think, and would you guys recommend a normal PCI-E mobo or an SLI one?
Mark my words BOTH the X1000 and 7000 series of cards will have AGP by May of 06. ATI will offer AGP first soon followed by nVidia.
IMO....economics and NOT technology will drive both ATI and nVidia to produce AGP parts.
Also, can anyone lend me $5k so I can short ATI's stock (i.e., all my dough's in retirement accounts and I can't short stock in any of them)? I'll give it back with 5% interest towards the end of December
BOTH the X1000 and 7000 series of cards will have AGP by May of 06. ATI will offer AGP first soon followed by nVidia.IMO....economics and NOT technology will drive both ATI and nVidia to produce AGP parts.
Also, can anyone lend me $5k so I can short ATI's stock (i.e., all my dough's in retirement accounts and I can't short stock in any of them)? I'll give it back with 5% interest towards the end of December
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