will there be anymore athlon x2 5000s (phenoms)

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nonameo

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I was digging around and found something about this processor. Since I'd be fine with a dual, but would really like it if I could unlock it (you know, because quads are nice :p) this seems like the best I could do. If I can't get that I'm thinking about getting a phenom I and seeing what I can do with it.

The problem is, it seems that newegg isn't offering this processor anymore :( and I haven't been having any luck looking for it anywhere else, even ebay.
 
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I have one of those cpu's. I wasn't able to get mine to unlock successfully. I was able to get it to 3.6ghz though. These are basically failed 940 x4 cpu's. Only supports DDR2 not DDR3 and the nb speed is only 1.6ghz at default. So most likely these are cpu's that didn't make the x4 cut and thus they are sold as x2.

Anyways, there are quite a few others who have successfully unlocked the x2 5000+(2.2ghz) to a quad. extremesystems?? forums have a post with a few able to unlock it.

There is a post on these forums about someone turning theres into a quad as well.

Anyways, my take is that these x2's were nothing more than a limited run to keep from throwing them away.


Jason
 
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nonameo

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Makes sense. Guess I'll just keep my eyes peeled for other deals. Thanks!
 
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There were loads around 2 weeks ago when I bought one in the UK. Have they really gone that fast?

Mine had cache problem on CPU0 but a little tweaking has coaxed some stability out of it. Running at X4 3.3GHz.
 
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ear8, what was it you did to fix your cache problem and which core had the problem? Simple northbridge voltage increases or something? I'd like to try one of those msi boards that allows you to at least try and unlock the cache without have to unlock the cores with the cache. Anyways....


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I also got one, but wasn't unlockable. just put a bit more and get something better, those unlocking deals are not guaranteed.
 
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formulav8 said:
ear8, what was it you did to fix your cache problem and which core had the problem? Simple northbridge voltage increases or something? I'd like to try one of those msi boards that allows you to at least try and unlock the cache without have to unlock the cores with the cache. Anyways....Jason
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Well mine was l1 and l2 cache on CPU0 that caused the problem - at least that's what the Event Viewer Reports say. That means it's an unlocked core that's substandard, not the L3 cache. Please note I never had problems POSTing as Phenom FX. At stock voltages it wouldn't boot into windows. Before setting the voltages manually, I think I made it into Windows for the first time by enabling AOC voltage control and got lucky (but then it wasn't consistent).

It's difficult to say exactly what fixed it (bearing in mind I'm still getting event viewer warnings for 'correctable hardware errors' but am otherwise stable - It's passed 8 hour Prime blend, S&M and 5x IntelBurn plus shorter runs with Prime blend and 3dMark06 at the same time). I never had it stable at stock and have only been able to get it stable clocked to over 3 GHz. On the way I've bumped up vCore (now 1.425) and vCPU-NB (+200mv over default), as well as voltages of the Core-NB and Core-PCI-E.

I think setting too low a NB speed causes RAM issues that can result in BSODs. Around 3x your RAM speed seems to be a bit of a sweet spot. Initially bringing down your RAM speed and loosening the timings may be a good way to get some stability to work with while you find something the northbridge will happily run at.

At the moment I have my RAM runing at equivalent of DDR2 600 (1:1 with DDR2 800 timings manually set - I'm only using Crucial value stuff though), NB and HT both set to 1800 (3x RAM). CPU speed is 3.3 GHz (300x11). Some benchmarks actually run faster with NB @ 1800 rather than NB @ 2100.

At anything over 285 FSB I've been pushing my RAM or motherboard rather than the CPU and it took a boost in RAM voltage to get to where I am now. Anything over 300 FSB and I'm getting intermittent POSTing but once it's in Windows it's still Prime stable. I think this thing has got some more headroom, at least with better cooling and a board / RAM combo that will give it the FSB it wants.
 
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nyker96 said:
I also got one, but wasn't unlockable. just put a bit more and get something better, those unlocking deals are not guaranteed.
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Well, I have a few alternative choices. Well, first of all, I think any dual core phenom-type processor would do well enough for me, but if I can get an unlock, then that would be very nice :p So my preference is for processors with unlockable cores or cache.

anywhoo... the 550BE and 545 are more than I want to spend. I was looking at the athlon II x3 425 and that might do, however it seems that not having the L3 gives a big performance hit. Still, it seems like a good value.

Also looking at any phenom I core that doesn't have TLB bug. the 7750 looks to be around a 240, it has unlockable cores, and it has an unlocked multi and is reliably less than 50$ on fleabay.

There are no x4 processors around the 50$ range.

The x2 240 looks OK, however the 7750 seems like it would be a better choice.

If I could get a phenom II x2 for less than 70$ that would be ideal, however I don't think that's going to happen, although it does look like a couple went for 70 it's not a reliable price and I would like to spend less than 70 unless the value is high at that point.

another thing I was considering is spending less for a board that does not have ACC, but will still overclock. However, it seems that any halfway decent board is going to be at least 50$ whether it has ACC or not. I think my best bet there is to get a 770 with SB710 and just call it a day.
 
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Remember for unlocking you need a BIOS that supports it. I'm using BIOS DDR2-A09 on a Jetway HA08 Combo (combined DDR2/DDR3/AM2+/AM3 motherboard). BIOS DDR2-A07 worked to but there was no unlock on the original BIOS.

Several motherboards just don't have a BIOS available that will work.

Asus, seem to offer the most flexible boards for unlocking. Some MSI boards don't have the voltage controls to get an unlock stable. I don't think my jetway lets you select which cores to unlock.
 
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ear8dmg said:
Remember for unlocking you need a BIOS that supports it. I'm using BIOS DDR2-A09 on a Jetway HA08 Combo (combined DDR2/DDR3/AM2+/AM3 motherboard). BIOS DDR2-A07 worked to but there was no unlock on the original BIOS.

Several motherboards just don't have a BIOS available that will work.

Asus, seem to offer the most flexible boards for unlocking. Some MSI boards don't have the voltage controls to get an unlock stable. I don't think my jetway lets you select which cores to unlock.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157176
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131619
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128392

There are boards within my price range that can unlock, and at that price, it doesn't make sense to buy a lesser board. I like asus, so maybe I'll get an asrock or an asus board.
 
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found some... check out hot deals.

edit: ok, well I decided that its really not that hot of a deal. I can get a x3 425 at the egg for 20 more $ and well, you're out a whole lot less if it doesn't unlock. In any case, they've got them at ewiz if anyone wants one.
 
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