Will the Supreme Court condemn this 3 year old girl to die?

[DCal430]

Novato, California (CNN) -- When health care reform passed Congress more than two years ago, Julie Walters yelled for her husband to come into the living room where she was watching the vote live on television.
"I was so happy," Walters remembers. "I yelled for Matt. I said, 'Do you know what this means? Do you know what this means?'"
The historic vote meant their 18-month-old daughter, Violet McManus, would be able to keep her health insurance. Without health care reform, she would have gotten kicked off her parents' insurance, perhaps as early as her 5th birthday, because her care is so expensive.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/27/health/health-care-insurance-lifetime-caps/index.html?hpt=he_t2

This makes me so upset. Without this healthcare reform this 3 year old girl will die in a few year do to lack of insurance. I hope the people outside the courts praying that the justices throw out Obamacare know that they are condemning this 3 year old girl to death.

 

[pcgeek11]

Not to be pooping on your post, but there are many childrens hospitals that will take care of this child regardless of their ability to pay.

Obama care is not the way.

Your post title is just hype. The Supreme Court is not condemning this 3 year old girl to die.

 

[DCal430]

Not to be pooping on your post, but there are many childrens hospitals that will take care of this child regardless of their ability to pay.

Obama care is not the way.

Your post title is just hype. The Supreme Court is not condemning this 3 year old girl to die.

Not really. She requires special care that isn't provided by any free children's hospital.

 

[Jadow]

hopefully

 

[glenn1]

You're a bit confused - little Violet doesn't have health insurance. Insurance involves things like underwriting and premiums sufficient to cover the expected costs over the entire risk pool. Violet has a government mandated transfer payment from other policy holders to pay for the costs of her future care with its administration simply being outsourced from the federal government to an insurance company.

 

[theeedude]

I think one of the reasons it will be upheld is that the USSC, chief justice Roberts in particular, does not want to replace Obama as the scapegoat for the clusterfvck that is our health care system.

 

[FallenHero]

 

[Fenixgoon]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/27/health/health-care-insurance-lifetime-caps/index.html?hpt=he_t2

This makes me so upset. Without this healthcare reform this 3 year old girl will die in a few year do to lack of insurance. I hope the people outside the courts praying that the justices throw out Obamacare know that they are condemning this 3 year old girl to death.

to what end do we assist any person with any situation that might result in their death, then?

should we buy food and medicine for the entire third world? after all, millions of children suffer from malnourishment and poor medical care that will ultimately result in their deaths.

i'm not arguing against the ACA - in fact i think it has many good merits - but emotional arguments are not going to withstand strong scrutiny and permit sound, logical, rational decision making about important socio-economic policy.

 

[Nintendesert]

We're a big country, we'll always find one shitty situation for any topic. That can't sway our policies.

 

[cubby1223]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/27/health/health-care-insurance-lifetime-caps/index.html?hpt=he_t2

This makes me so upset. Without this healthcare reform this 3 year old girl will die in a few year do to lack of insurance. I hope the people outside the courts praying that the justices throw out Obamacare know that they are condemning this 3 year old girl to death.

What?

You are always free to donate to her care.


The justices are determining whether Obamacare is constitutional or not.

If Obamacare is not constitutional, the real people then to blame is our founding fathers for this girl's death. SHAME ON YOU JEFFERSON AND WASHINGTON AND FRANKLIN YOU REALLY FUCKED UP OUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!!! I'M SO ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CPA]

What does the individual mandate, which is what they are debating, have to do with cap limits. I also find it interesting that the father's company is in the IT/Entertainment field - a bastion of liberalism. They don't have an uncapped lifetime limit option? Hell, that's all my company offers.

 

[Moonbeam]

What?

You are always free to donate to her care.


The justices are determining whether Obamacare is constitutional or not.

If Obamacare is not constitutional, the real people then to blame is our founding fathers for this girl's death. SHAME ON YOU JEFFERSON AND WASHINGTON AND FRANKLIN YOU REALLY FUCKED UP OUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!!! I'M SO ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess you don't know that what the Supreme Court says is constitutional is constitutional. It will be nobody's fault but theirs if they say differently.

 

[Sonikku]

Let them die. It's them or our tax breaks.

 

[dmcowen674]

OP need to keep up.

Only the rich and healthy have the right to live in the new U.S.

 

[cubby1223]

I guess you don't know that what the Supreme Court says is constitutional is constitutional. It will be nobody's fault but theirs if they say differently.

Just like it's the mathematician's fault that 2+2 does not equal 5?

 

[Nemesis 1]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/27/health/health-care-insurance-lifetime-caps/index.html?hpt=he_t2

This makes me so upset. Without this healthcare reform this 3 year old girl will die in a few year do to lack of insurance. I hope the people outside the courts praying that the justices throw out Obamacare know that they are condemning this 3 year old girl to death.

OK . I feel bad for the little girl but I feel worse for 1/3 of the other children in the world who are starving to death. I feel bad for the children who die from Bombs We armericans pay taxes for that miss their targets and kill innocents . I feel bad that you can see this 1 little girl who may or may not have health care in the future as a argument for socialism. My family hasn't had the easiest times . Major hospital bills for myself and Son . Guess what It was all payed for without TAX dollars .

 

[monovillage]

The National Lampoon did it better on their magazine cover that stated .

If you don't buy this magazine, we'll kill this dog

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wsmonty/3634918376/

I still feel bad that I didn't buy the magazine.

 

[sportage]

Not to be pooping on your post, but there are many childrens hospitals that will take care of this child regardless of their ability to pay.

Obama care is not the way.

Your post title is just hype. The Supreme Court is not condemning this 3 year old girl to die.

Don't u wish...
Obviously u have never been there or done that...
Reality speaking...

 

[sportage]

I loved Romney on Leno Tuesday night.
Bashed Obamacare, then when asked by Jay about the "what-if's", Mitty actually fell back on the policies included in Obamacare.

Mitt: I will allow every state to opt out of Obamacare.
Jay: But what about people with pre-existing?
Mitt: Well we will have to do something to take care of them.
Jay: I have friends in the auto repair industry that can not get insurance at any age just because of the materials they must work with.
Mitt: Well if they ever had insurance before, they should be able to keep it. If they never had insurance before, then we will have to do something for them.

AND GET THIS FOLKS...!!!!!

Jay: What if someone young refuses insurance, then ends up in the ER, or gets heart disease later in life?
Mitt: Well, thats the choice they made.

Right there Mitt is admitting the answer in that case must be the MANDATE.
Mitt won't say that, but THE MANDATE would solve the issue.

Bottom line... There just is no logic available when going up against Obamacare.
Especially after the full Obamacare kicks in during 2014.
Then people will reap the full benefits of insurance reform.
And Mitt knows that...... It was his idea.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I loved Romney on Leno Tuesday night.
Bashed Obamacare, then when asked by Jay about the "what-if's", Mitty actually fell back on the policies included in Obamacare.

Mitt: I will allow every state to opt out of Obamacare.
Jay: But what about people with pre-existing?
Mitt: Well we will have to do something to take care of them.
Jay: I have friends in the auto repair industry that can not get insurance at any age just because of the materials they must work with.
Mitt: Well if they ever had insurance before, they should be able to keep it. If they never had insurance before, then we will have to do something for them.

AND GET THIS FOLKS...!!!!!

Jay: What if someone young refuses insurance, then ends up in the ER, or gets heart disease later in life?
Mitt: Well, thats the choice they made.

Right there Mitt is admitting the answer in that case must be the MANDATE.
Mitt won't say that, but THE MANDATE would solve the issue.

Bottom line... There just is no logic available when going up against Obamacare.
Especially after the full Obamacare kicks in during 2014.
Then people will reap the full benefits of insurance reform.
And Mitt knows that...... It was his idea.

2014- that's when your premiums skyrocket, but you don't know why right?

That aside there are a great many people who do not like the idea of the government directly telling people that they don't have to do something, but will be punished if they don't. The Federal government was not designed to have that power. Further, this childs story is tragic. That was the emotional point of the article. Now how much money do you have to be taken away to pay for her and others? I mean it's great that you'll spend millions on my last days to keep me alive, or do you think Obamacare is magically going to provide free medical care for everyone?

There is no "free" and there never will be, but health care WILL be rationed, and know what? You are going to demand it, unless you happen to be one who depends on the income of others already to live.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Your dichotomy is of course false, but to answer your question anyway:

If I had a button in front of me that would repeal the ACA (at least the mandate portion), but in so doing would instantly kill someone's child (including my own) I'd press it without a moment's hesitation. What's wrong is wrong, no matter the impacts.

When we set aside the lunacy of your either/or we can move forward implementing proper health care reform that doesn't destroy the entire nation and its foundations in the process.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

"She died for your tax break."

 

[boomerang]

So the stage is set. Lefties will drag out, roll out and disinter whatever individual's they deem needed to make the case for Obamacare. Make the case for a hastily crafted piece of shit bill that will bankrupt the nation by the calculations of the CBO. And to top it off they accuse the right of ignoring the savings! Like if you borrow 1 trillion to spend 2 trillion but cut out half a trillion that's something to be proud of. It's close to being laughable. Close, but it's just too damned serious an issue.

Here's the harsh reality. Violet would not get the care she needs to stay with us under Obamacare because care will have to be rationed. Violet will never be able to contribute to society, she will be a drag on society. The very old and the very young will not receive the type of care they do today. If the risk is to be spread more evenly among the populace, with everyone having a dog in the fight, (well, everyone but those that can't afford it, those that don't wish to participate, those that are here illegally, the list goes on), then the available funds will be spread thinner and decisions will have to be made. Violet would have been dead and gone under Obamacare several years ago. The left will parade Violet around to help in the fight to get what they want though. If Obamacare goes into effect those same folks will be demanding in utero testing with mandated abortions for girls like Violet. They'll demand it so there will be more money available to fight their ailments with the added bonus of breeding better humans. Don't think otherwise. They'll feign outrage at statements like this but it's all a show.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

"She died for your tax break."

Why do you want to kill the elderly?

 

[ichy]

When we set aside the lunacy of your either/or we can move forward implementing proper health care reform that doesn't destroy the entire nation and its foundations in the process.

Destroy the entire nation? That sort of hyperbole is as absurd as the OP's use of a sob story.