Will the Republicans Go After Mr Obama Like They Did the Clintons?

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seemingly random

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Originally posted by: LS8
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: LS8
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: LS8
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More personal attacks. What's new? Welcome to America, land of the brainwashed.
If you don't support any candidate or party, why would you take this personally?

And, I think the comment "Welcome to America" is unnecessarily cruel since we're trying to close our borders.

Trust me when I say this, I most certainly do not take you seriously. So far all you have done is alternate between attacking me and labeling me in some hopes it will embarrass me/discredit me. The playbook is old.

You guys want REAL change? Well, as long as we are stuck in Democrat and Republican hate land it will never happen. The two parties have everyone so busy hating each other nothing ever gets done, and the same rich guys stay in power.

As long as we have people like seemingly random who will blindly attack and label people for the sake of their party nothing will ever change.

I just hate republicans with a passion. Well, not all republicans - and maybe just a small percentage of republicans - you can probably guess the type from the usual suspects. What they've done against the u.s. and for the enrichment of themselves over the last few decades is despicable. They haven't begun to feel the wrath. You are probably collateral damage - sorry, maybe.

As long as we have people like seemingly random who will blindly attack and label people for the sake of their party nothing will ever change.

My point has been made. I'm sure he will have another reply with another attack but don't blame him, he has to, it's in his play book.
Did you miss that I'm not a democrit? But I will reveal (so that you've got something substantial to attack) that I fully support and respect obama in spite of party affiliation.

It must be nice to believe in nothing - to have no stake in this.

And, you're going to have to be a little more clever to be disarming.
 

sandorski

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Once again the view of "Equivalence" some holds appears and still seem unable to grasp with the Concept.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: LS8

Trust me when I say this, I most certainly do not take you seriously. So far all you have done is alternate between attacking me and labeling me in some hopes it will embarrass me/discredit me. The playbook is old.

You guys want REAL change? Well, as long as we are stuck in Democrat and Republican hate land it will never happen. The two parties have everyone so busy hating each other nothing ever gets done, and the same rich guys stay in power.

As long as we have people like seemingly random who will blindly attack and label people for the sake of their party nothing will ever change.

Trust me when I say this. As long as people like you do nothing but talk about how Democrats and Republicans are the same and never present us with a party that can attract more than two votes you might as well belong to either one of the majors because all you are is ideological bull shit and no action. Where's the beef? Is it Ron Paul? You guys are chattering monkeys in cages waiting to get your shots and when the doctor opens the lab door you go berserk.
 

Siddhartha

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How exactly did the Democrats treat George W Bush? Where there any investigations like what the Republicans held for Whitewater?
 

Pepsei

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Originally posted by: AFMatt
More like unfortunately for the US he is teflon Obama. Because nothing stuck in the minds of voters.
jpeyton, I am not a registered Republican, nor do I approve of the job Bush has done, but I am willing to bet you Obama will not deliver on even half the promises he made to this country to get in there. In fact, the only thing I forsee is Pelosi/Reid using him as a puppet in there, and neither one of them have done shit to help improve this country in their entire gov't lives.

i know he's guaranteed to deliver the promise of appointing more liberal judges, and that's a start.
 

Muse

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Originally posted by: AFMatt
More like unfortunately for the US he is teflon Obama. Because nothing stuck in the minds of voters.
jpeyton, I am not a registered Republican, nor do I approve of the job Bush has done, but I am willing to bet you Obama will not deliver on even half the promises he made to this country to get in there. In fact, the only thing I forsee is Pelosi/Reid using him as a puppet in there, and neither one of them have done shit to help improve this country in their entire gov't lives.

Don't be a jerk. Pelosi and Reid have and will have far less power than Obama. The buck stops at Obama.
 

SigArms08

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I really hope another circus like the ordeal with Clinton doesn't happen. A complete waste of time and resources. That kind of extreme nonsense further divides the political parties and halts any meaningful action. Would be much better to focus on the major issues at hand, debate courses of action, and implement.

While I may not be the biggest Obama fan, I'd much rather the Republicans and Democrats get along and use their time wisely. Hopefully, Obama is given a fair chance at leading this country as opposed to having to constantly defend himself against a bunch of nonsense.
 

palehorse

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For what it's worth, Clinton is/was a total scumbag who deserved much of the criticism levied against him. GWB continued the trend. Both brought shame to their office and this country.

Thankfully, their era is coming to an end.

Hopefully, Obama will be different. Hopefully, Obama will bring honor and integrity back to the White House... hopefully.
 

Duwelon

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Nobody has thrown more slimeballs at a sitting President than the left did with GWB. He got slimed so much on a daily basis in the entertainment media and often in the regular media it made Clinton look like a saint.

Look at the vehement attacks on Bush's personality the left has been doing for the last 6+ years. It's not just his policies the left is after, it's the person and everything about him. With Clinton the Republicans had enough respect for the man to go after his actions and not use baseless, vehement and flippant profane and hatred based attacks on a man like the left has done with Bush.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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GWB deserved everything that came his way.

He was a disgrace to the office he served and will go down in history as the worst President in modern history. If you want to defend this man go ahead, I couldn't care less.

Republicans thinking that people care what they think now is freaking hilarious. Until you and your party brings something to the table other than low taxes and a crazy social agenda nobody is going to listen to you. It's you who has to change, not Obama.
 

Polish3d

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Originally posted by: Siddhartha
I remember the relentless attacks on the Clintons. Will the Republicans do the same to Mr Obama?

Not if they want a chance to earn my vote back
 

marincounty

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Originally posted by: Duwelon
Nobody has thrown more slimeballs at a sitting President than the left did with GWB. He got slimed so much on a daily basis in the entertainment media and often in the regular media it made Clinton look like a saint.

Look at the vehement attacks on Bush's personality the left has been doing for the last 6+ years. It's not just his policies the left is after, it's the person and everything about him. With Clinton the Republicans had enough respect for the man to go after his actions and not use baseless, vehement and flippant profane and hatred based attacks on a man like the left has done with Bush.

Yeah, right. They went after Clinton's personal life. They didn't go after any of his official actions.
The difference with Bush, they went after his boneheaded official actions.
If you cant' see that you're lying to yourself.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Clinton and GWB deserved everything that came their way.

They are a disgrace to the office they served and will go down in history as the worst Presidents in modern history. If you want to defend either man, go ahead, I couldn't care less.
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fskimospy

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Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Clinton and GWB deserved everything that came their way.

They are a disgrace to the office they served and will go down in history as the worst Presidents in modern history. If you want to defend either man, go ahead, I couldn't care less.
fixed.

You can say what you will about Clinton deserving the crap Republicans threw at him, but to say that his presidency is likely to go down as one of the worst in history is simply inaccurate. The country was largely at peace, the economy by and large did well, etc.

The two largest complaints people could try and put against him would be for his contribution to failures that actually occurred in the administration after his. Probably not going to work so well.
 

Mani

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Originally posted by: JS80
I hope the GOP renders him useless like the Dems did to Bush.

Curious how the dems rendered Bush useless given he had GOP majorities in the house, senate, and even the Supreme Court 6 of his 8 years.

Bush rendered Bush useless.
 

Duwelon

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Clinton and GWB deserved everything that came their way.

They are a disgrace to the office they served and will go down in history as the worst Presidents in modern history. If you want to defend either man, go ahead, I couldn't care less.
fixed.

You can say what you will about Clinton deserving the crap Republicans threw at him, but to say that his presidency is likely to go down as one of the worst in history is simply inaccurate. The country was largely at peace, the economy by and large did well, etc.

The two largest complaints people could try and put against him would be for his contribution to failures that actually occurred in the administration after his. Probably not going to work so well.

I blame 9/11 on Clinton's incompentence in dealing with terrorism. He was either too busy screwing interns or making up tall tales to cover himself to use enough intuition and backbone together to solve the problem.

He had multiple terrorist attacks during his Presidency but as history proved, he didn't have what it took to put an end to AQ's onslaught. One of Bush's greatest achievments, which you gladly and dishonestly refuse to acknowledge is stopping terrorist attacks on US Soil. Now Obama is the next President Elect and all of America's enemies are glad to see him come into power. THe sad thing here is that you foolishly think Obama will be able to talk down N. Korea, Iran, Syria, AQ remnants and other Islamic extremist groups that no doubt have sleeper cells here in the US.
 

marincounty

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Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Clinton and GWB deserved everything that came their way.

They are a disgrace to the office they served and will go down in history as the worst Presidents in modern history. If you want to defend either man, go ahead, I couldn't care less.
fixed.

You can say what you will about Clinton deserving the crap Republicans threw at him, but to say that his presidency is likely to go down as one of the worst in history is simply inaccurate. The country was largely at peace, the economy by and large did well, etc.

The two largest complaints people could try and put against him would be for his contribution to failures that actually occurred in the administration after his. Probably not going to work so well.

I blame 9/11 on Clinton's incompentence in dealing with terrorism. He was either too busy screwing interns or making up tall tales to cover himself to use enough intuition and backbone together to solve the problem.

He had multiple terrorist attacks during his Presidency but as history proved, he didn't have what it took to put an end to AQ's onslaught. One of Bush's greatest achievments, which you gladly and dishonestly refuse to acknowledge is stopping terrorist attacks on US Soil. Now Obama is the next President Elect and all of America's enemies are glad to see him come into power. THe sad thing here is that you foolishly think Obama will be able to talk down N. Korea, Iran, Syria, AQ remnants and other Islamic extremist groups that no doubt have sleeper cells here in the US.

What are you talking about? 9/11 happened on GWB's watch, after his administration was specifically warned about terrorists using aircraft. They ignored those warnings and allowed 9/11 to happen.
In contrast, the Clinton admin arrested, tried and convicted several people for the first WTC attack.
Oh yeah, where is Osama?
 

Lemon law

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The thread title is completely absurd, its not a question of will they of the GOP, they already have and have been going after Barack Obama for a very long time. Lets see, Obama is a Muslim, a terrorist, was not born in the USA, has a communist agenda, embraces terrorists bombers, uses Marxist tactics, hates America, hates freedom, and he will surrender America to Ossama Bin Laden. All this can still be found on various republican backing web sites even after the election has been over for nearly a week. And that only a small sample. It helps that Hillary Clinton pioneered the field, staked out many of the areas, and if this was 1992 and not 2008, Obama might feel the heat.

And the simply GOP problem lies in those 16 years of pushing the same button, after awhile the button ceases working because the American people have wised up. If nothing else, the set of GOP lies told about Iraq and all its WMD, made late 2003, if not a watershed year, then certainly the year the tactic jumped the shark. And in any mind but the mind of a hardcore republican, the use of such tactic conjures up an repulsive cross between the Little Boy who Cried Wolf and Pinocchio. And like Pinocchio father, America wants to love the GOP, but simply can't until the GOP learns its lesson.

In contrast, the democrats may not be much better in the moral climate of negative campaigning, but they have a better and fresher button that still works. And instead of making up some negative based on only the crazy delusion of someone based on nothing really factual, the dems simply take slightly out of context quotes by Sara Palin, John McCain, or GWB, play them back, and its almost undeniable proof
that Palin is a welterweight mental midget, McCain knows nothing about the economy, is no maverick, and is in bed with GWB. That paired with running an issue based campaign crippled GOP negative campaigning in 2008. And if any want to ask how effective GOP slime tactic are now, need only ask Libby Dole.
 

Duwelon

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Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Clinton and GWB deserved everything that came their way.

They are a disgrace to the office they served and will go down in history as the worst Presidents in modern history. If you want to defend either man, go ahead, I couldn't care less.
fixed.

You can say what you will about Clinton deserving the crap Republicans threw at him, but to say that his presidency is likely to go down as one of the worst in history is simply inaccurate. The country was largely at peace, the economy by and large did well, etc.

The two largest complaints people could try and put against him would be for his contribution to failures that actually occurred in the administration after his. Probably not going to work so well.

I blame 9/11 on Clinton's incompentence in dealing with terrorism. He was either too busy screwing interns or making up tall tales to cover himself to use enough intuition and backbone together to solve the problem.

He had multiple terrorist attacks during his Presidency but as history proved, he didn't have what it took to put an end to AQ's onslaught. One of Bush's greatest achievments, which you gladly and dishonestly refuse to acknowledge is stopping terrorist attacks on US Soil. Now Obama is the next President Elect and all of America's enemies are glad to see him come into power. THe sad thing here is that you foolishly think Obama will be able to talk down N. Korea, Iran, Syria, AQ remnants and other Islamic extremist groups that no doubt have sleeper cells here in the US.

What are you talking about? 9/11 happened on GWB's watch, after his administration was specifically warned about terrorists using aircraft. They ignored those warnings and allowed 9/11 to happen.
In contrast, the Clinton admin arrested, tried and convicted several people for the first WTC attack.
Oh yeah, where is Osama?

The terrorists behind 9/11 were plotting and preparing for 9/11 long before Bush took office. Clinton had much greater chances to stop 9/11 than Bush did.
 

Jhhnn

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From Duwelon-

The terrorists behind 9/11 were plotting and preparing for 9/11 long before Bush took office. Clinton had much greater chances to stop 9/11 than Bush did.

I don't think either one had much of a chance, other than the FBI failing to follow up on the info from the Flight school about the guy who said he wouldn't have to land...

And that was a bureaucratic screwup.

From all accounts, Bush seemed unconcerned about Bin Laden prior to having the biggest political windfall since pearl harbor fall in his lap, but that doesn't mean he could have stopped anything.

The attackers exploited what was, to them, a glaring security loophole wrt the handling of hijackings. The Bush Admin used it as a bludgeon on their enemies/rivals, foreign and domestic. The vast majority of what they've done since them has merely been to spread fear, increase the power of the Executive, and create acceptance of authority. The security problems wrt hijackers solved themselves on 9/11- passengers simply will not allow it, and improved cockpit protocols and cockpit doors only make it better.
 

Lemon law

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GWB&co track record set the bar so low, Obama and the dems are almost certain to do much better. And once they open up executive branch files, we will discover how little we know of the perfidies of GWB&co.

Both of those factors will greatly slow down such a winnar111 tactic.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
From Duwelon-

The terrorists behind 9/11 were plotting and preparing for 9/11 long before Bush took office. Clinton had much greater chances to stop 9/11 than Bush did.

I don't think either one had much of a chance, other than the FBI failing to follow up on the info from the Flight school about the guy who said he wouldn't have to land...

And that was a bureaucratic screwup.

From all accounts, Bush seemed unconcerned about Bin Laden prior to having the biggest political windfall since pearl harbor fall in his lap, but that doesn't mean he could have stopped anything.
Between 1985 and 2001, we knew where almost every single terrorist training camp in the world was located, including all of Al Qaeda's camps... and each of the presidents before GWB didn't do a g'damn thing about 99% of them prior to 9/11.

Read up on what was referred to as "The Yearbook" by Michael Scheuer in his book, "Marching Toward Hell." It was essentially a list of every known terrorist camp in the world, and it was appended annually by the experts at the CIA.

Clinton was by far the most impotent in dealing with terrorism. He had the chance to kill OBL on no less than ten occasions, but he failed to act in nearly every instance. The one time he did respond, he lobbed a few cruise missiles at some useless dirt in Afghanistan where intelligence already indicated that OBL was long gone.

"Eight years of peace" my ass. Bill Clinton was fucking worthless. GWB merely inherited the Clinton mess and continued the trend...
 

OneOfTheseDays

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Bill Clinton was worthless???

Give me a break. His presidency was easily the best we've had in the last 40 years. Moronic conservatives with their batshit insane POV's.....