Will the Presler Pentium Extreme Edition lay the Smack down a FX-60?

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TSS

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i dont think the intel will stand much of a chance... at any clock speed.

btw, i thought the FX-60 was 2.6 Ghz?

that intel needs to be 4.2 ghz+ to start winning benchies.
 
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Its is 2.6 for the FX60. My mistake. But I thought that Intel having dual core, 65nm process and Hyper threading would have made it a better CPU since it is another generation beyond AMD.
 
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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Its is 2.6 for the FX60. My mistake. But I thought that Intel having dual core, 65nm process and Hyper threading would have made it a better CPU since it is another generation beyond AMD.
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also its not next gen, its just a die shrink, Conroe, Merom is next gen! ;)
 
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unless they can oc the EX really high i would say no.
The next EX should be able to kill FX-60 The 3.33GHZ 1333 FSB Conroe one.
 
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The EE would have to get to around 4.4ghz to catch up to an AMD dual core at 2.6ghz. The exception being a program that can take advantage of quad threads, in that case the EE might be able to keep up. In a lot of cases the hyperthreading actual makes it slower..because windows only sees it as 4 logical CPU's and doesn't know the differance between the real cores, and the virtual ones, so it will assign a program to a real core and a virtual core, while leaving the second core idle, and losing ~60% performance. My 920D, which I haven't gotten much past 3.43ghz right now, doesn't even come remotely close to keeping up with my X2 OC'd to 2.618ghz.
 
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Originally posted by: stevty2889
The EE would have to get to around 4.4ghz to catch up to an AMD dual core at 2.6ghz. The exception being a program that can take advantage of quad threads, in that case the EE might be able to keep up. In a lot of cases the hyperthreading actual makes it slower..because windows only sees it as 4 logical CPU's and doesn't know the differance between the real cores, and the virtual ones, so it will assign a program to a real core and a virtual core, while leaving the second core idle, and losing ~60% performance. My 920D, which I haven't gotten much past 3.43ghz right now, doesn't even come remotely close to keeping up with my X2 OC'd to 2.618ghz.
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actually toms hard ware has a article on the 955 ee chip it hit 4.26 ghz with air cooling just by uping the multiplyer on the board to 16x ( was as much as the asus board they used whould let multyplyer go). but stock the amd chip beats it but whats the point on getting a EE/FX chip if your not gonna overclock it.http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/28/...fire_into_double_core_extreme_edition/
 
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so is it safe to say that a D 940 overclocked to 3.5ghz would be on par with the 955 extreme edition not using ht?
 
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Originally posted by: opzero
Originally posted by: stevty2889
The EE would have to get to around 4.4ghz to catch up to an AMD dual core at 2.6ghz. The exception being a program that can take advantage of quad threads, in that case the EE might be able to keep up. In a lot of cases the hyperthreading actual makes it slower..because windows only sees it as 4 logical CPU's and doesn't know the differance between the real cores, and the virtual ones, so it will assign a program to a real core and a virtual core, while leaving the second core idle, and losing ~60% performance. My 920D, which I haven't gotten much past 3.43ghz right now, doesn't even come remotely close to keeping up with my X2 OC'd to 2.618ghz.
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actually toms hard ware has a article on the 955 ee chip it hit 4.26 ghz with air cooling just by uping the multiplyer on the board to 16x ( was as much as the asus board they used whould let multyplyer go). but stock the amd chip beats it but whats the point on getting a EE/FX chip if your not gonna overclock it.http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/28/...fire_into_double_core_extreme_edition/
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Yeah, but they didn't OC the X2's..and it seemed to do better with HT turned off than it did with it on.
 
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Originally posted by: opzero
Originally posted by: stevty2889
The EE would have to get to around 4.4ghz to catch up to an AMD dual core at 2.6ghz. The exception being a program that can take advantage of quad threads, in that case the EE might be able to keep up. In a lot of cases the hyperthreading actual makes it slower..because windows only sees it as 4 logical CPU's and doesn't know the differance between the real cores, and the virtual ones, so it will assign a program to a real core and a virtual core, while leaving the second core idle, and losing ~60% performance. My 920D, which I haven't gotten much past 3.43ghz right now, doesn't even come remotely close to keeping up with my X2 OC'd to 2.618ghz.
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actually toms hard ware has a article on the 955 ee chip it hit 4.26 ghz with air cooling just by uping the multiplyer on the board to 16x ( was as much as the asus board they used whould let multyplyer go). but stock the amd chip beats it but whats the point on getting a EE/FX chip if your not gonna overclock it.http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/28/...fire_into_double_core_extreme_edition/
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i would assume fx-60's would be able to hit 3.0ghz, overclocking is just going to increase the gap between the processors
 
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Originally posted by: Pr0phetX
still a pointless post. Stick to blogging on myspace son
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why dont you get a life and shove it. dont be stupid and start sh!t just for the hell of it.
 
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http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2668&p=9

"Unfortunately, since the FX-60 is still built on the same 90nm Toledo core as the previous X2 processors, overclocking headroom is not that great. With a retail AMD heatsink/fan, the best that we could do is 2.8GHz at 1.40V. With more exotic cooling, you could probably manage better, but stepping up the voltage all the way up to 1.50V wouldn't yield a 3GHz overclock on air."

makes sense to me.

its true that the preslers can be OCed like mad, because of the die shrink. however, besides the 65nm process and the stuff involved around that (little less heat, higher clockability) preslers are far from interesting. Conroe/Merom will be the first new intel procs that will be. but personally, im more looking forward to K10. i've heard enough about conroe beeing based on the pentium M/3, and so on and so on... but i have yet to hear anything about the new AMD architecture (which we'll see in what? 2007?). so thats where my attention is going to be :)
 
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Originally posted by: TSS
...preslers are far from interesting. Conroe/Merom will be the first new intel procs that will be. but personally, im more looking forward to K10. i've heard enough about conroe beeing based on the pentium M/3, and so on and so on... but i have yet to hear anything about the new AMD architecture (which we'll see in what? 2007?). so thats where my attention is going to be :)
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According to Ruiz "underpromise" and "overperform" is AMD policy, so we're not supposed to hear much. In the long run it may prove to be an effective counter to Intel's extremely early paper launches which apparently are aimed at having people waiting for a year or more, rather than buying AMD.

Don't write off K8 yet. I think it will both clock higher and reach higher ipc.
Also, the Conroe's desperate FSB speed and large cache size is an admission that it is memory bottlenecked. Allendales cut down cache is admission that it will be expensive.

AMD focus is on multicore/multicpu scaling. New hypertransport, direct connection architectures and level 3 cache are in line. They have also expressed the intention to launch a quadcore cpu at the "mainstream desktop" in 2007. But my guess is that it'll still be K8 derived.

...ummh, and maybe it's architectures.

Which puts a spin on a confused issue. Maybe it's not K8L or K9 or K10. Maybe it's and. One modified core and then two completely new ones. One lean core and one muscle core. Just another example of doing the multicore homework.

(It doesn't matter what they're called. For the scope of this post, K8L, K9 and K10 are adequate identifiers.)
 
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