Will the copy protection in Win XP be hackable?

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Jugernot

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Seems to me the best way would be to completely disengage the OS's need to be register rather than coming up a code generation system of some sort. Basically, create a hack, so the OS doesn't remind or require you to register within 15 days.

You guy think this is possible?

Jugs

btw: I've been out of the loop for a while, is the release date still end of summer 01 for the Pro version?
 
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Scorp

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if they put in an activation code, there will always be someone to crack/hack it very very quickly... probably few days at most
 
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Elledan

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<< Basically, create a hack, so the OS doesn't remind or require you to register within 15 days.

You guy think this is possible? >>


Don't ask whether it's possible, ask when it will be finished :D;)
 
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Noriaki

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Yes of course it is, the activation is intended to stop casual piracy. It's not intended to nor will it stop the real crackers from breaking it.

And the release date is October 25th last I heard.
 
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Shudder

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What I'm wondering about..

I'm not concerned the crack will be done, but I'm wondering if when you try to update XP if MS's site will be able to figure out if you have a non-cracked version running on your PC.
 
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cnicol

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Every thing is hackable it is not a matter of if but when. There are some very intelligent people out there that are bound and determined to do this. Microsoft has NO desire to stop them.

It is just a matter of how difficult microsoft will make it to hack. You have to remember that the better the anti piracy efforts the more it will affect the consumers. If it is too hard for the moms and dads, and the grammas and grampas of the world to use the system...they will stop using it all together. Opens the door for competition...bad move for microsoft! They have to find the &quot;sweet spot&quot; between the two.

Windows XP will be finish late August early September...if it stays on schedule. Then it will be released of sale on October 25, 2001.
But the oem market will get it a little after the final code is finished in September. This is so computer makers like dell and gateway can have a system ready to sell.
More then likely you will be able to buy a system from them in late September or early October.

 
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RichieZ

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I've got the newset build 2486, not a big deal to get rid of the activation.

OK enough ppl have PM'd me, pls don't PM asking where I got it anymore
 
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zzzz

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<< Don't ask whether it's possible, ask when it will be finished >>


Don't ask when it will be finished, ask from where to get it ;)
Not to me though, because, most likely I will get it real cheap from my school. (like the $10 win2k)
 
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JackBurton

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<< Not to me though, because, most likely I will get it real cheap from my school. (like the $10 win2k) >>


I might be able to get it even cheaper than that and with NO activation code. :)
 
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lucidguy

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Activation will be hacked. However, that should be the least of your worries where Win XP is concerned.

Microsoft will spy on you using a number of clients that come as standard. These clients are intended to form the infrastructure of the .Net initiative. They include IE 6, Windows Messenger, Outlook Whatever, among others. These clients will surreptiously upload data about your hardware to Microsoft, will download key updates (IOW crippling features) to your machine without your consent, etc, etc. By doing this, Microsoft intends to get users slowly used to the new role of &quot;Microsoft the network service provider&quot; as opposed to &quot;Microsoft the bloated software maker&quot;.

There's also the whole licensing fiasco. Win XP will not let you play media files unless you have a license for them. The first time you migrate any media file into the Win XP partition, the media file will be encrypted, and the decryption key inserted into your license collection. You will be required to make frequent backups of your license collection. Should a virus force you to reformat, or should your hard disk go bad, or should you somehow lose access to your license collection, all of your encrypted media (music, video, etc) will become inaccessible. The data will be there plain as day, but since it's encrypted, without your decryption key (license) it might as well not be there for all you care.

Win XP will break or otherwise limit the capabilities of standard CD burning software. (Adaptec, Nero, Discjuggler, etc) Users will be &quot;encouraged&quot; to burn their CDs using the included Microsoft CD burning software. Each CD burned will make an entry in your license collection, data will be burned to CD in encrypted format. A CD burned on Win XP box A will not be read by Win XP box B, or for that matter, by any other box on God's green earth, unless you migrate your license along with it, which will be made very cumbersome by Microsoft. Very likely, the number of times that you can migrate licenses from your license collection will be limited in order to prevent piracy.

Do you still want Microsoft to innovate you up the ass? Then upgrade to Win XP! I personally will upgrade to Linux.
 
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<< Activation will be hacked. However, that should be the least of your worries where Win XP is concerned.

Microsoft will spy on you using a number of clients that come as standard. These clients are intended to form the infrastructure of the .Net initiative. They include IE 6, Windows Messenger, Outlook Whatever, among others. These clients will surreptiously upload data about your hardware to Microsoft, will download key updates (IOW crippling features) to your machine without your consent, etc, etc. By doing this, Microsoft intends to get users slowly used to the new role of &quot;Microsoft the network service provider&quot; as opposed to &quot;Microsoft the bloated software maker&quot;.

There's also the whole licensing fiasco. Win XP will not let you play media files unless you have a license for them. The first time you migrate any media file into the Win XP partition, the media file will be encrypted, and the decryption key inserted into your license collection. You will be required to make frequent backups of your license collection. Should a virus force you to reformat, or should your hard disk go bad, or should you somehow lose access to your license collection, all of your encrypted media (music, video, etc) will become inaccessible. The data will be there plain as day, but since it's encrypted, without your decryption key (license) it might as well not be there for all you care.

Win XP will break or otherwise limit the capabilities of standard CD burning software. (Adaptec, Nero, Discjuggler, etc) Users will be &quot;encouraged&quot; to burn their CDs using the included Microsoft CD burning software. Each CD burned will make an entry in your license collection, data will be burned to CD in encrypted format. A CD burned on Win XP box A will not be read by Win XP box B, or for that matter, by any other box on God's green earth, unless you migrate your license along with it, which will be made very cumbersome by Microsoft. Very likely, the number of times that you can migrate licenses from your license collection will be limited in order to prevent piracy.

Do you still want Microsoft to innovate you up the ass? Then upgrade to Win XP! I personally will upgrade to Linux. >>



ouch...if half you say is true...then it will suck more than win95. As if it were possible...
 
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WinXP seems to be for the legit rich people who could afford everything and thinks priated software is completely wrong! Well there won't be much of those people...i bet not even 50% of the people who use an os actually bought it...unless if they bought their computer from some stupid company like dell, gateway, hp, or compaq
 
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DaHitman

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<< WinXP seems to be for the legit rich people who could afford everything and thinks priated software is completely wrong! Well there won't be much of those people...i bet not even 50% of the people who use an os actually bought it...unless if they bought their computer from some stupid company like dell, gateway, hp, or compaq >>



Microsoft is going to make it very painful for those that doing purchase their software from now on.
 
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lucidguy

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<< Microsoft is going to make it very painful for those that doing purchase their software from now on. >>



Microsoft is going to make it very painful for those that use Microsoft software from now on.

Part of me things that Microsoft will intentionally make locally installed versions of their software cumbersome to use and maintain. This way, people will be motivated to subscribe to Microsoft software-on-tap. They will pay a monthly fee, and all the software they need will come streaming down the network connection, all centrally administered, maintained and updated.

This is a clever but very risky play. If Microsoft makes it too cumbersome to use locally installed Microsoft software, people may end up migrating to locally installed Free Software instead of migrating to Microsoft software-on-tap. I personally will do exactly that.

Microsoft is banking its fortunes on .Net and software-on-tap. Their success will be determined by whether people are more committed to the Microsoft brand, or to the notion of locally installed software. My instincts say the latter.
 
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Shudder

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If you can guarantee a connection that will be up 100% of the time, not even 99.99999% and transfers data faster than my hard drive, .net MIGHT be a decent thing.

But that's not going to happen, at least not in my computer-liking lifetime.
 
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lucidguy

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<< If you can guarantee a connection that will be up 100% of the time, not even 99.99999% and transfers data faster than my hard drive, .net MIGHT be a decent thing. >>



This is really a non-issue. There are ways that you can minimize the need for bandwidth in a software-on-tap model. I don't want to give Microsoft any ideas, but I think that if I can come up with this idea myself, the smart people at Microsoft certainly can.

What you do is that you download the application the first time it is requested. You cache it in encrypted format and save it on the hard drive. So the first download takes a little while. During later requests, the server simply sends you a time-limited decryption key, or license, or whatever, to unlock the encrypted app that is already cached on the hard drive. DSL-like speeds are enough to make this workable.

Of course, you would only cache the application code and nothing else. Things like templates, clipart, etc, etc, would always be requested from the server. It's just not realistic to send the entire contents of an Office CD over a DSL or cable connection in any reasonable amount of time. You have to pare it down to the functional minimum. (&quot;Rip&quot; in warezspeak) But few enough people use the included clipart, etc, to make this a practical decision.

Now, this still makes you beholden to a 100% network uptime, because, without a network connection, without a recent decryption key, you still can't access Office. And we will never have 100% network uptime with the current infrastructure that we have in this country. But the system is otherwise workable.
 
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