The 6970 was never designed for 40nm, it was for 32 nm which got canceled, we would have a seen a bigger leap from bot sides if TSMC didn't cancel 32 nm.
Yes....In sales 
Performance wise ??? not sure if it's possible or not....But I'd think it has alot of room for driver improvements.
Performance wise ??? not sure if it's possible or not....But I'd think it has alot of room for driver improvements.
Yes....In sales
Performance wise ??? not sure if it's possible or not....But I'd think it has alot of room for driver improvements.
I don't know....I bet the 6950 cannabilized a lot of the early-adopter 6970 sales.
4890 was a good deal faster than a 260 and mostly faster than a 275.
Plus I'm pretty sure that you have said many times that a 6970 is way slower than a 570, what made you change your tone?
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I haven't made it to the final level of 11 and Vantage yet. What are the end bosses like ? Later in the game, is the story line any better than the beginning ?
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No, but there are fewer quick-time events than in Res Evil 5 which is a big selling point.
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In a perfect world, we could use Crysis as the end all benchmarks to decide which cards are faster than others. Unfortunately this is not the case and your linked benchmark is one of two cases in which the 4890 is faster than the 285 in ATs benchmark suite. The other win for the 4890 is a massive 0.1 fps in Battleforge 16x10. The 285 is clearly faster in general games. And it should have been as well due to being priced a decent amount higher than the 4890.
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There are instances when 6970 beat 580, and I am taking about games where people play.
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Imo, Vantage and Vantage11 do accurately rate graphic power. I'm guessing thats what the op is referring to with 'overtake'.
Are we to disqualify tessellation heavy games and those pesky TWITBP games also ?
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He says in "later benchmarks" and to me this assumes more than Vantage or 11 only. Because if it would happen to overtake the 580 "although doubtful" I would run out and buy one that day just to play Vantage and 11.
So I believe he is referring to general FPS in everything. Not just two synthetics.
Are we to disqualify "games" which these GPU's are actually meant for ?
Why not start a poll....Option A : I buy GPU's for synthetics or Option B: I buy GPU's for games.
Come on now. He isn't "only" referring to synthetics.
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Vantage numbers do tend to line up very well with the price of cards. They have a purpose for rough rankings, and clearly the 580 is a faster card. But there are many games (most) that don't work like vantage/11 with respect to a meticulously balanced load. It is just illogical to use it exclusively, noone (either side) has really respected it since 06.
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It has been proven over years that AMD cards tends to age better. The HD 4870 when it was released, it performed identical against the GTX 260 216, and currently with intensive games, it performs slightly under the GTX 280. Considering that the HD 6970 tends to shine at higher resolutions along with more eye cand compared to the GTX 580 which has a more pronounced performance penalty, I think that the HD 6970 will not overtake the GTX 580, but certainly will snip the heels of it, invalidating the GTX 580 forcing nVidia to lower its price. Like the HD 4870 did with the GTX 280.
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The 6970 seems to suffer the same performance issues with DX11 and especially tessellation that hurt the 5xxx series. Time ain't gonna fix that.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20126/8
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20126/8
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I agree with evo's assessment. In one of the most intensive games - Metro 2033 at max settings, GTX580 is not any faster despite a whooping $140 price premium. GTX580 isn't any faster in Crysis either once you apply AA (another GPU killer game). If we are talking 2-3 years from now, both cards will be equally as slow. Although the 2GB framebuffer may help the 6970 when games finally start taking advantage of it. At the end it really doesn't matter because GTX580 is such an awful value imo that the comparison is almost meaningless. It would have been far fairer to compare the EVGA GTX570 with 797 clocks at $370 to the HD6970. Also, people with HD6970/580s are most likely enthusiasts who will upgrade to faster cards anyway. So long-term "future proofness" of these cards is again rather meaningless to them imo.
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They're not the same and linking to those games specificly HAWK2 is a load of garbage that you should know better.
The 6900s have shown good impovement in actual gameplay when it comes to tessellation, see Metro 2033.
Ubisoft has openly stated they will not fix performance issues with AMD cards in favor of Nvidia code/money. So HAWK2 will have to wait until the actual game comes out for AMD to fix it in their software.
The HD 6900 cards will have a long life because they use the new arch and have 2GB of ram. They'll continue to get performance updates back ported from 7000 series and probably the next series after (8000?).
I doubt a 6970 will ever fully beat the 580, but that's what the 6990 is for. I don't think we'll ever see a GTX 595.
Even if by some crazy driver magic the 6970 does catch up, it'll mostly be a moot point, as I doubt there will be a ton of coverage of it in most of the review sites.
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I wonder if with newer drivers, the performance gains could be significant as most games on my setup, recognize my card as an HD 4800 series. Probably with the correct name and some tweaks, great gains can be seen in the future if the compiler is clever enough. I uninstalled the drivers prior videocard's installation and used driversweeper, registry cleaner and I even manually deleted any ATi.inf driver/registry entry on Windows and yet, even Tessmark says HD 4800 series!!
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I think it is possible to the HD 6970 equaling the nVidia one, because of the claims of the 4D shaders being as fast as the old ones and also the new Bart's uncore making it faster per shader. Moreover, there are a few tesselation benchmarks out there showing Cayman performing the same as Cypress; pointing to it's new engine not functioning properly.
I would give it 3 more months, if it's performance doesn't improve significantly, then it will never catch Fermi.
Time will tell.
Depends about the res and the time scale. 2GB of memory means that at eyefinity res the 6970 will overtake GTX 580 sooner than later. Way off into the future the 2GB will make a difference too.
In terms of GPUs themselves, assuming both have more than enough memory, I think it's probable to get close, but merely possible to overtake. It all depends on how poor the current drivers are to the new architecture and how much they can improve. I can remember dave baumann making the claim that they had very little time to work on drivers compared to previous launches.
In terms of GPUs themselves, assuming both have more than enough memory, I think it's probable to get close, but merely possible to overtake. It all depends on how poor the current drivers are to the new architecture and how much they can improve. I can remember dave baumann making the claim that they had very little time to work on drivers compared to previous launches.
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