Will Tesla Crashes Crash Tesla?

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-08-16/us-opens-formal-investigation-of-tesla-autopilot-citing-collisions-with-parked-emergency-vehicles

To be determined.

 

[mindless1]

Can't see any text on that article except a single sentence that is the same as the title.

US safety regulator opens investigation into Tesla Autopilot following crashes with parked emergency vehicles | TechCrunch

U.S. auto regulators have opened a preliminary investigation into Tesla’s Autopilot advanced driver assistance system, citing 11 incidents in which

techcrunch.com

How autopilots handle special circumstances has always bothered me. I might make more minor mistakes than an autopilot but don't make major ones like that.

Even more worrisome is when that autopilot is piloting a tractor trailer instead of a car.

 

[HomerJS]

Layman don't understand even with airline autopilots the crew cannot abandon the cockpit and systems must still be monitored.

Maybe those systems need a name change to enhanced cruise control

 

[cytg111]

Suppose the equation is something like this

99% of lethal accidents can be prevented with autopilot
1% of lethal accidents can be prevented with a human operator

So the 1% is utterly stupid and easily circumvented by a human operator.
My question to you is; so what?

 

[DisarmedDespot]

Layman don't understand even with airline autopilots the crew cannot abandon the cockpit and systems must still be monitored.

Maybe those systems need a name change to enhanced cruise control

I think this is the root of the issue. Tesla is really intent on saying it's all fully self-driving when it's only at tier 2 or 3 of six. Germany actually hit them in court over the name being misleading. If they just called it what it is (a really, really impressive driver assist) the issue would go away, but that doesn't make for as great marketing.

 

[cytg111]

This is a question of society adopting to this new technology or not.
Trust me. If you dont move first, China will.
This is coming, sooner rather than later, get with the program.

 

[manly]

I think this is the root of the issue. Tesla is really intent on saying it's all fully self-driving when it's only at tier 2 or 3 of six. Germany actually hit them in court over the name being misleading. If they just called it what it is (a really, really impressive driver assist) the issue would go away, but that doesn't make for as great marketing.

The names are misleading, but changing that won't solve the problems. Tesla owners will still operate their Level 2 systems irresponsibly, and current Tesla cars don't adequately safeguard against misuse, and everyone has known this for years.

IIRC the story goes that originally Waymo was interested in developing Level 2 or 3 autonomy, but in early testing, they realized that humans could not safely operate these limited systems. They'd treat a Level 2 system like it was Level 4, which is basically what Tesla drivers do with FSD. So Waymo pivoted to trying to develop Level 5 autonomy, which has proven to be incredibly challenging.

If you renamed FSD to Partial Self-Driving, Tesla boys would still misuse their toys. It's not the name alone that's the problem. As for the AutoPilot investigation in particular, it's auto e-braking that's not working as intended. How does changing AEB to Semi-automatic Emergency E-braking fix that?

 

[Leeea]

One of the things I found with the very limited "autodrive" system in my vehicle (non-tesla) is it does not see stationary objects or vehicles. It is pretty good at detecting moving things.

It would seem to me that emergency vehicles are frequently parked and not moving on the roadway. I know my vehicle would never see them.

 

[Jaskalas]

One of the things I found with the very limited "autodrive" system in my vehicle (non-tesla) is it does not see stationary objects or vehicles.

... sort of defeats the purpose of the entire system.

Objects in the road are to be expected.

 

[mindless1]

This is a question of society adopting to this new technology or not.
Trust me. If you dont move first, China will.
This is coming, sooner rather than later, get with the program.

I'm completely fine with China doing it first. Let them develop the tech then we steal it... for a change.

 

[Ajay]

Tesla good fix some of it’s problems with LiDAR, but Musk hates the idea. It is more expensive and ugly looking.

 

[cytg111]

I'm completely fine with China doing it first. Let them develop the tech then we steal it... for a change.

You think you wanna go there but you dont. Really.

 

[Greenman]

Have the button that activates the system labeled "CRASH AND BURN". Then everyone knows what to expect.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I think this is the root of the issue. Tesla is really intent on saying it's all fully self-driving when it's only at tier 2 or 3 of six. Germany actually hit them in court over the name being misleading. If they just called it what it is (a really, really impressive driver assist) the issue would go away, but that doesn't make for as great marketing.

i still don't understand why they haven't been hit for the same in the US. it is in no way "autopilot" or FSD, and users have already admitted to being mislead by those monikers.

 

[mindless1]

Have the button that activates the system labeled "CRASH AND BURN". Then everyone knows what to expect.

and have it start playing this song.