Will someone please tell me why gays can't serve openly in the military?

[piasabird]

You can get kicked out of the military for
Sodomy, Adultrey, Officers fraternizing with enlisted, etc. This is all based on the UCMJ.
Uniform Code of Military Justice. This manual is agreed upon by all branches of the Armed Forces, so all Branches of the military have to sign off on changes. Good Luck.

 

[lupi]

I knew a gay guy in the military. He was leaning more towards the flaming type than not. But he was a nice enough guy that when NCIS came asking if I'd ever noticed him spending a lot of time around some local kids I said I didn't notice anything.

 

[LunarRay]

Face it, if you're stuck in a Foxhole with a Gay guy and bullets are whizzing over your head, artillery and mortar are falling all around, the first thing on your mind will be to hit it with wild abandon.

Hehehehehe, yeah... well... Put a good looking gay lady on my PBR and whilst crusing down the river dodging all manner of incoming my mind would be at least partially on getting the hell out of there and... well... if she were an enlisted lady... ok... no.. but maybe yes... Would have been more fun than having a gay guy aboard, I think... But then again I never knew or cared... back then I'm not sure how I would have reacted if I did know... being from Brooklyn and all... :+)

 

[shira]

You like to use obvious characteristics like race to make your point, but is LGBT (and add all the letters you care to THAT mix) sexual orientation so obvious as race or accent? Why would you insist that sexual behaviors be public? Why not keep them private and out of the business at hand?

The military discharges for lots of inappropriate behaviors for the good of the service. Inappropriate and abusive and unwelcome sexual behavior/contact included. Keep it in your pants and keep your hands off and it is likely that you will keep your job.

Heterosexual soldiers display photos of their girlfriends/boyfriends/spouses above their bunks and/or carry them in their wallets and/or talk about them with fellow soldiers. Do you consider that to be an "inappropriate sexual behavior" that should instead be kept private?

Somehow, I don't think you think so. Yet homosexuals who do those innocuous things are in violation of DADT and can be kicked out of the military.

 

[PJABBER]

If you are in a stinking hole while the world is coming down on top of you and you have a babe like Dina Meyer holding on to you for dear life, would you consider hitting it one last time before the shrapnel and/or overpressure kill you? :wub:

Now, imagine it is not Dina but Perez Hilton next to you. D:

I guess it depends on who you would like to share your last moments with! :sneaky:

Reality check: In the moment you will probably be yelling/screaming at the top of your lungs to equalize the atmospheric overpressures and will have no pretensions of being suave, what with your trenchfoot and general ripeness. And while shrapnel does glitter, the little lady would probably consider picking something so razor sharp out of her body less appealing than hunkering down under whatever cover might be available and kicking you in the process of getting there forthwith.

 

[PJABBER]

Heterosexual soldiers display photos of their girlfriends/boyfriends/spouses above their bunks and/or carry them in their wallets and/or talk about them with fellow soldiers. Do you consider that to be an "inappropriate sexual behavior" that should instead be kept private?

Somehow, I don't think you think so. Yet homosexuals who do those innocuous things are in violation of DADT and can be kicked out of the military.

I am wondering when it will be appropriate for someone to show their team members their pictures of their favorite sheep, dog, rubber doll, bondage accoutrement, needle works, snuff film, etc.

Do you consider those to be an "inappropriate sexual behavior" that should instead be kept private?

Somehow, I don't think you think so. Yet anyone who does those innocuous things can be kicked out of the military.

 

[sandorski]

I am wondering when it will be appropriate for someone to show their team members their pictures of their favorite sheep, dog, rubber doll, bondage accoutrement, needle works, snuff film, etc.

Do you consider those to be an "inappropriate sexual behavior" that should instead be kept private?

Somehow, I don't think you think so. Yet anyone who does those innocuous things can be kicked out of the military.

Damn Heteros starting the Slippery Slope to Armageddon!!!

 

[shira]

I am wondering when it will be appropriate for someone to show their team members their pictures of their favorite sheep, dog, rubber doll, bondage accoutrement, needle works, snuff film, etc.

Do you consider those to be an "inappropriate sexual behavior" that should instead be kept private?

Somehow, I don't think you think so. Yet anyone who does those innocuous things can be kicked out of the military.

Why should I be surprised that you're unable to deal with my completely RATIONAL question?

I win, loser.

 

[PJABBER]

C'mon guys, where are YOU drawing the line? We would really like to know! LOL! :awe:

 

[nageov3t]

C'mon guys, where are YOU drawing the line? We would really like to know! LOL! :awe:

if a person can do the job effectively, why should anyone give a shit what s/he does with another consenting adult(s) or an inanimate object?

 

[fskimospy]

You can get kicked out of the military for
Sodomy, Adultrey, Officers fraternizing with enlisted, etc. This is all based on the UCMJ.
Uniform Code of Military Justice. This manual is agreed upon by all branches of the Armed Forces, so all Branches of the military have to sign off on changes. Good Luck.

Uhmmm, no it isn't agreed upon by the branches of the military. It doesn't matter in the slightest if the branches of the armed forces 'agree' on it or not, and they absolutely don't have to sign off on changes. The UCMJ is a military regulation passed by Congress that tells the military how to operate, ie: they have to do whatever Congress tells them to, like it or not. Where do you people get this stuff?

There's some general legal agreement that Obama could draft an executive order to prohibit further administrative discharges for homosexuality, but it would be an end-around on the process. The far preferable solution is for Congress to simply repeal it, as that is a more permanent solution.

 

[shira]

C'mon guys, where are YOU drawing the line? We would really like to know! LOL! :awe:

You got me. I do have a favorite doll, and I just can't resist the urge to share:

Possibly NSFW:

http://www.boytoydolls.com/home/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery/4447575727_8a142f84ab_b.jpg

 

[Jaskalas]

Hey look, another person who has never been in the military telling people what those in the military think.

The study came out shows that a good majority of the troops don't care at all

So what is it that you dispute, that there are conservatives in the military, or that conservatives are not friendly towards gays? You might as well be pissing when I tell you the sun rises in the east or that the sky is blue.

 

[sandorski]

You got me. I do have a favorite doll, and I just can't resist the urge to share:

Possibly NSFW:

http://www.boytoydolls.com/home/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery/4447575727_8a142f84ab_b.jpg

Depends on your Work places views on Bandwidth usage, apparently.

 

[Udgnim]

there are a lot of homophobes in the military that will react with hate and harassment instead of tolerance?

 

[PJABBER]

The people I worried about the most were not the gays or the studs, they almost never brought their sexuality onto the job. It was those who were getting their rocks off when they were killing or thinking about killing. I don't know the technical name for this but they were only sexually aroused by violence and the act of killing. Some said they found their place being in combat units, but they were almost never a good fit when it was peacetime, and not often when it was time for war. Then again, certain units appreciated their appetites as some got to be quite senior in rank.

 

[fskimospy]

So what is it that you dispute, that there are conservatives in the military, or that conservatives are not friendly towards gays? You might as well be pissing when I tell you the sun rises in the east or that the sky is blue.

I'm disputing your conclusion as based upon both my personal experience and empirical survey evidence.

But hey, what do I know? As I asked before, please tell us some more of your military stories, you sure do know a lot about it.

 

[manimal]

I don't know why you are a bigot. Why are you asking me? Don't you know?

Like I have said previously, it is not the fact that someone is anything other than the norm heterosexual that is necessarily the problem. It is the fact that the society at large, and the military as a reflection of the society's values, finds it difficult to accept the wide range of minority sexual predilections. Not too many are willing to accept the public display of every sexual variation that is out there - and you never address the practices that are even more out of the ordinary and, though surely a personal choice, are considered criminal. Where do you stop? And why?

You like to use obvious characteristics like race to make your point, but is LGBT (and add all the letters you care to THAT mix) sexual orientation so obvious as race or accent? Why would you insist that sexual behaviors be public? Why not keep them private and out of the business at hand?

The military discharges for lots of inappropriate behaviors for the good of the service. Inappropriate and abusive and unwelcome sexual behavior/contact included. Keep it in your pants and keep your hands off and it is likely that you will keep your job.

the question was directed at you...reading comprehension courses at university of phoenix online is that way---->

 

[PJABBER]

the question was directed at you...reading comprehension courses at university of phoenix online is that way---->

The question is, why are YOU a bigot? I said that I don't know. You would be better served to figure that out on your own.

 

[IcePickFreak]

I don't see why it's an issue unless you're trying to kiss your squad mate before you run off into battle.

 

[ProfJohn]

You recruit your military from a conservative and/or a minority base. Neither are friendly to gays, unlike the mostly white liberal college-bound demographic you are likely part of.

This is a nation of a divided people. Your military is largely from one side of that aisle. They aren't like you. What you think is acceptable is not what they think is acceptable.

Best answer in the thread.

I doubt that most of the people pushing to allow gays in the military actually want to join the military themselves.


BTW DADT should be tossed

 

[fskimospy]

Best answer in the thread.

I doubt that most of the people pushing to allow gays in the military actually want to join the military themselves.


BTW DADT should be tossed

Worst answer in the thread.

Anyone who has spent a night in the military knows better.

 

[potluv]

Because whats next if we allow gays to serve in the military? Allowing soldiers to smoke pot? If Israel can, America can't.

 

[LunarRay]

C'mon guys, where are YOU drawing the line? We would really like to know! LOL! :awe:

Ya gotta start with the objective of war.... to Kill the enemy. Only real men are capable of such an act... least ways in the minds of many. Think about the premise... Kill the enemy. Terminate them. Do men think women have the genetic capability to Kill the enemy? Those soft cuddly creatures called 'sweety'.... Guys don't want women in the foxhole either... most, that is, don't. In the mind of many of these macho men Gay guys are like women... Can't count on them to kill when killing means living... for someone... Now, Lesbian 'butch' women might be ok... not sure of course cuz they're still women... unlike gay men... right?

 

[zsdersw]

Yet anyone who does those innocuous things can be kicked out of the military.

That doesn't make it right.

This is not the time for the military to cling and cave to old prejudices and the mental infancy of some who serve. Our military needs every highly skilled, trainable, and intelligent person it can recruit and retain, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, or various preferences not related to their service.

If someone in the military has a problem sharing close quarters with a gay, bisexual, or transgendered person or cannot deal with other people's sexual and various other preferences, perhaps it's time we stop coddling them and insist, instead, that they grow up and get their sh!t together.