will someone help me prove this guy wrong.

[ctcsoft]

Okay I'm trying to tell this guy that...

A AMD 1800+ XP processor is better than a AMD 1.8 applebred duron cpu.

Will anyone back me up here? I don't know the stepping of the 1800+ but he won't be OC'ing anyways.

 

[JBird7986]

Of course it's better...AXP was designed to compete with P4, whereas Duron was Celeron's competitor. The reason for the difference in performance is solely the amount of cache on each:

The Duron has 128 KBytes L1 cache and 64 KBytes L2 cache.

The Athlon differs from the Duron only in the size of the L2 cache: 256 KBytes.

http://www.pcmech.com/show/amd/45/

 

[Jakebrake]

QED

 

[Goi]

Well, this could be hard to argue. The AXP 1800+ is clocked at 1533MHz but has 256KB L2 cache. The Applebred 1.8 is clocked at 1800MHz but only has 64KB L2 cache. It really depends on what he means by "better". The AXP is probably faster at memory intensive programs, but the Applebred is probably faster at programs that has a small working set and/or a high cache hit ratio, such as FP programs. Also, the Applebred probably puts out less heat and consumes less power since it's a 0.13u design with less cache, while the AXP may either be a 0.18u or 0.13u design, both of which have 4 times the cache, hence a higher power consumption.

 

[MDE]

Depends on the app, but I'd take the Duron, especially due to the potential for unlocking the full 256KB of L2 cache.

 

[corkyg]

After all of that, which represents the best VALUE to that particular consumer? That is basically a cost/benefit analysis, especially for one who does not OC.

 

[piasabird]

Core Applebred
Name Duron 1.8
Operating Frequency 1.8GHz
FSB 266MHz
L1 Cache 64KB+64KB
L2 Cache 64KB
Process Type 0.13 µm
Hyper-Transport Support No
64 bit Support No
Multimedia Instruction MMX, SSE, 3DNOW! Professional
Voltage 1.5V
Cooling Device None - Processor Only
$43

Has a slightly smaller cache size, that is the only big disadvantage. Otherwise it is a good Sub-$50 processor. If you are comparing it to an XP1800+ processor there is not much of a difference. They are both slow.

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: MDE
Depends on the app, but I'd take the Duron, especially due to the potential for unlocking the full 256KB of L2 cache.

I tend to agree,the Duron applebred at 1.8gig would be faster at stock & overclocks very well to boot,2.2ghz should be an easy OC for that duron.

 

[Goi]

I wouldn't say that the Applebred has a "slightly smaller" cache size. It only has 1/4 the L2 cache size of the Thoroughbred, which is already pretty small by today's standards. The fact that the K7 has exclusive cache kinda makes up for it (and makes some sense in having a smaller L2 than L1 cache) but we're still looking at a 50% decrease in total cache size.