Will Obamacare be removed if a Repub becomes pres in 2016?

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rudder

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They have no real plan for anything, other than the ultra rich getting richer at the expense of everybody else.

Yes because that is totally not happening with QE-infinity.

And regarding obamacare... once you start an entitlement program... it is political suicide to try to undo the law. It doesn't matter if obamacare is the nail in the debt-coffin, the people will not support politicians trying to stop it (see social security).
 
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MongGrel

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It was never called ObamaCare to begin with, and no.

It's a law.

Good luck repealing it, I didn't need it myself to begin with and the whole health care system is so broken to begin with it was a good start to begin with.

Fuck I hate people some days.

Really, are people this dense not waning to fix the whole damned system that is so screwed up they have to be so obtuse that way.
 
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rudder

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No. And you won't be seeing a "republican GOP" President for a long while....

This is exciting news because 50+ years of democratic leaders has done wonders for Detroit. I can only imagine the same greatness for these United States.
 

UberNeuman

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This is exciting news because 50+ years of democratic leaders has done wonders for Detroit. I can only imagine the same greatness for these United States.

You have not the sight to "imagine" anything other than nothingness.

Everything or Nothing.

And when the world and America goes on then what shall you rally against?
 

MongGrel

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This is exciting news because 50+ years of democratic leaders has done wonders for Detroit. I can only imagine the same greatness for these United States.

WTH did you just say, because it really made little sense.

Come back when you can think would ya :)
 

trenchfoot

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Well, the big insurance companies and the healthcare industry aren't clamoring for heads to roll and for Obama to be burned at the stake, so it looks like they're all OK with the status quo. And they must be feeling pretty good about the near future profits-wise, so the only way I can see the ACA getting repealed is if the Repubs can come up with a way for the insurance companies and health care industry to make even higher profits while still being able to keep the masses clueless so as to prevent them from revolting.
 

sportage

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Republicans will do what ever they want, to further their agenda and to hell with the American people be they republican or democrat. We all should know that by now. If we know anything at all.

1st, republicans created the Obamacare imaginary land.
They told us Obamacare was government universal healthcare program.
It was not.
Obamacare was nothing terribly new, except for placing the same-o private insurance providers into "pools".
And then, people could chose from participating providers within the pools.
In other words, basically the same-o same-o for our private insurance-for-profit system.

2nd, about the only thing that one could say has changed with Obamacare, was in stopping private insurance from imposing lifetime payment limits. Rejecting or dropping because of pre-existing conditions. And a few other perks like allowing your kid to stay on YOUR insurance policy thru the age of 26 (or 25???).

Sooooo, by any republican congress dissolving Obamacare, all republicans would actually be doing and achieve would be once again allowing private insurance to make it much easier to drop people, reject people, and put back in place blocks for people from getting insured.
Thats all.
That's it.
Bottom line.

You do not have to be a liberal or democrat to have a family member that needs insurance without the fear of rejection. You do not have to be liberal or democrat to have a family member that has a pre-existing condition. And you do not have to be a liberal or democrat to have a kid in college that needs insured off your insurance policy.

Plenty of republican families would be damaged and harmed if Obamacare and the new common sense regulations imposed on private insurance from Obamacare were dissolved.

I know it takes most people a very long time to realize a good thing when they have it.
And the thrill for republicans in congress to kill off Obamacare, and obviously the thrill for some republican court justices (hint hint), that thrill would be followed by that sour taste in the mouth when republican households realize what republican legislators, and two republican court justices, have done to their families healthcare.
But... so be it.
If that is what it takes to really piss off republicans households into feel the pain (no pun), so be it.

Besides, republicans have no "replace" when it come to "repeal and replace".
Oh, my bad...
Republicans DO actually have a replace plan.
Ready for it ????? Ready ??? Ready ???

Their agenda is to """TAX-AS-INCOME*** each and every insurance covered individual and family member for any and all benefits paid out by their private healthcare provider.

So.... say your husband has a heart attack thus a medical bill of the typical $100,000 for doctors and hospitals care after one heart attack.
Your insurance pays 80% under a typical 20-80% policy.
But NOW, at the end of the year thanks to republicans "replace and repeal" scheme, the insurance company will send out an IRS form 1099 TO YOU for insurance company payout to doctors and hospitals. That 1099 form to be included as income on tax forms for that 80% paid out by your insurance for that heart attack.
On $100,000, thats an extra $80,000 YOU MUST INCLUDE as income on your tax return.
Isn't that special... Lucky YOU!

Try paying your April tax bill with an extra added $80,000 additional income.
And without going bankrupt.

So, as for the original question, YES.
Republicans in congress damn definitely will kill off Obamacare if given the chance.
You can take that to the bank.

And concerning the harm to millions of insured under Obamacare exchanges, OR MORE SO the millions that now can have healthcare insurance due to the Obamacare insurance reforms?
Well.... we already know the republican congressional response to that, now don't we?
Republicans note to the American people. Go "F" yourselves.

If nothing else, this alone should give you a HUGE clue which party to vote for come November. Or, we can just simply do it the hard way, all over again, as is the usual.

Ps. True personal story from a brain-dead republican co-worker.
Sadly, so typical of them...
One of those HATE OBAMACARE republicans.
His wife lost her job at a grocery store AND her healthcare.
He could not get her on his employer based healthcare because she had pre-existing condition.
After Obamacare, she is now once again insured.
This co-worker still bashes Obamacare every chance.
Your typical republican Obamacare hater must have failed math back in school.
Seems they can not add 1 + 1 to equal the sum of "yeah! my wife has insurance".
So sad....
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Newell Steamer

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Will Obamacare be removed if a Repub becomes pres in 2016?

Yes, but, I am 100% certain he/she will keep the Death Panels. In the event there never are any Death Panels (,.. still waiting,...), the GOP will gladly whip some up.
 
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They wouldn't remove it. ACA is simply a good shouting point for them. They have no real plan for health care and it would be suicidal to propose we go back to the old way and kick a few million people off insurance. Its easier and better to keep alive and bitch about it than plan out something better.

This. The entire health care issue is just a huge land mine waiting for the Republicans to step on it if they are stupid enough.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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This. The entire health care issue is just a huge land mine waiting for the Republicans to step on it if they are stupid enough.

I believe you have it. It's better to be seen to trying to do something that actually do it. besides, once a bureaucracy is installed it's harder to get rid of the bone cancer.
 
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They wouldn't remove it. ACA is simply a good shouting point for them. They have no real plan for health care and it would be suicidal to propose we go back to the old way and kick a few million people off insurance. Its easier and better to keep alive and bitch about it than plan out something better.

What do you mean..this was their plan all along. They will make a small change and say tada we fixed it and its all good now as they originally intended :p
 

Greenman

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No. And you won't be seeing a "republican GOP" President for a long while....

I'd agree with that, as long as the republicans continue to disgorge a never ending stream of half wits.
It's not that the democrats are winners, it's just that they produce a better class of loser.
 

sm625

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Romneycare precedes obamacare. Mitt Frickin Romney is the tool that the repugs pitted against obama. Plus, obamacare is a massive handout to several very large corporations who happen to donate a lot of money. So no, there is zero chance the obamacare cancer is cut out. Even if Rand Paul were elected and Ted Cruz were his running mate, it still would not happen.
 

trenchfoot

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Methinks some of those who posted the sentiment that the new Repub Pres. is simply going to have the ACA exorcised and purified by some grand empty gesture, a wink and a nod, some double speak and the usual sleight of hand is dead on correct.

It will then transpire where whamo!-presto-change-o! alakazam!, the reviled ObamaCare monstrosity has miraculously become the new nation-wide RomneyCare health plan that the Repubs have "always" been passionately advocating for ever since that offspring of theirs got legs and scurried off into hiding the moment its twin sister reared its ugly head in the form of an identical Democrat authored version.

So funny if it ever comes to pass.
 

blankslate

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Sort of. They'd repeal it, make some cosmetic changes, make doubly sure the website worked and then reinstate it.

Romney-Care! see how much better it is?! You should have elected Romney!

meanwhile most will not notice that the ACA was basically the Massachusetts plan.




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mirageracerx

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i doubt it. i am not for the ACA as it increased my rate and the rates of many colleagues. yet any time its debated i am always met with graphs and stats that never seem to reflect what goes on in illinois. Then to be told "check the marketplace i guaruntee blah blah blah" only to find out its more expensive through healthcare.gov. and then met with the "well if repubs didnt do xyz it would have been cheaper for you...sorry" *shrugs* i am never a fan of being forced into buying anything (like auto insurance for example). may be the land of the free, if you can afford it.

End of the day, repubs and dems alike want control of your money. and they both have their hands in the pockets of healthcare.
 

zinfamous

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This is exciting news because 50+ years of democratic leaders has done wonders for Detroit. I can only imagine the same greatness for these United States.

wonderful example to compare local city politics, beholden to its unique state-wide politics and economics that played out over decades of corporate greed--completely irrespective of the politics of those times--to the required leadership and policies that one sees at the Federal level.
 

trenchfoot

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i doubt it. i am not for the ACA as it increased my rate and the rates of many colleagues. yet any time its debated i am always met with graphs and stats that never seem to reflect what goes on in illinois. Then to be told "check the marketplace i guaruntee blah blah blah" only to find out its more expensive through healthcare.gov. and then met with the "well if repubs didnt do xyz it would have been cheaper for you...sorry" *shrugs* i am never a fan of being forced into buying anything (like auto insurance for example). may be the land of the free, if you can afford it.

End of the day, repubs and dems alike want control of your money. and they both have their hands in the pockets of healthcare.

To be fair, rates have always been on the rise whether or not the ACA was implemented. I wonder if there's available a chart(s) depicting stats of how rates (and your rates since you started paying them) have increased over the last say, 40 years or so, and compare that with how your rates have increased since the ACA kicked in?
 

rudder

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wonderful example to compare local city politics, beholden to its unique state-wide politics and economics that played out over decades of corporate greed--completely irrespective of the politics of those times--to the required leadership and policies that one sees at the Federal level.

politics of those times? We are talking five decades!

Anyway, fundamentally both are the same. In Detroit, times were good while the U.S. auto industry was king. Public employees were happy with pay and retirement, money was spent and promised. All with not much thought to the future economy. Now we have obama and the democrats treating things like times are good... increasing spending, promising more entitlements, etc. Times are good because there is make-believe money to spend.

Like Detroit, eventually the money (or the U.S. Mint printing press) will run out.

Not that this all matters to the OP. Obamacare is here to stay... just like other entitlement money pits. Social Security needs to go or at the least change the way it is operated.... but what politician dare touch that?
 
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I believe you have it. It's better to be seen to trying to do something that actually do it. besides, once a bureaucracy is installed it's harder to get rid of the bone cancer.

It's a land mine for them because they don't have any solutions to offer in the area of health care other than, "Don't get sick, and if you get sick, die quickly." They don't have an answer for our spending 17-18% of GDP on health care and getting less care than people receive in other nations.
 

mirageracerx

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my rates doubled. inflation doesnt go in like that overnight. and its not uncommon to hear that around here. if it went in like it was supposed to, it might have been successful in theory. but working in IT alot of stuff sounds good in theory, its the implementation that will make or break something.

at the end of the day, red/blue, elephant/donkey, idc. times are tough and i dont see light at the end of the tunnel for me and others in terms of finances. just seems to be a kick the can down the road and nickel and dime people to death. like many other americans i dont trust the government as a whole any further than i can throw them.