Will Mueller release his report before the midterms?

[cytg111]

There are going to be a whole lot of very disappointed people who, if the nation is lucky, will accept the results of the investigation when it's completed.

Just kidding, there is no way in hell they're going to accept the results. It's a great time to join the national guard. There will be overtime a-plenty.

Dont want to be a spoiler but... There is an IQ test...

 

[interchange]

There are going to be a whole lot of very disappointed people who, if the nation is lucky, will accept the results of the investigation when it's completed.

Just kidding, there is no way in hell they're going to accept the results. It's a great time to join the national guard. There will be overtime a-plenty.

Do you really think, with everything that has come out so far, that in the end Mueller is going to release a report that vindicates Trump?

 

[mikeymikec]

So when is Mueller expected to release his report? Before or after the midterms?

Ring-wing media sources would probably accuse him of trying to influence the election if he did it before.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

This basically. I'll bet a lot of other people in Trump's orbit end up with charges stemming from criminal actions uncovered in the course of the investigation.

Don Jr. would seem to have the most exposure form a conspiracy standpoint that directly relates the Russia issue.

Cuckner was in that meeting with the Russian government lawyer too, he'll hopefully catch charges also.

 

[fskimospy]

Do you really think, with everything that has come out so far, that in the end Mueller is going to release a report that vindicates Trump?

My guess is that in the end the report will have a great deal of damning evidence about Trump associates and campaign members colluding with Russia and some evidence that Trump clearly knew about it and approved of it. What there probably won’t be is a tape of Trump saying ‘go collude with those Russians’ and the right will seize on that as somehow vindicating him. (Bafflingly) They will then declare that all the other criminal activity the report details doesn’t matter and shouldn’t have been investigated anyway.

It’s because the right in this country no longer cares about the law, they care about their tribe.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The simple answer is no. My bet is if they won’t do anything after the first of September until after the midterms. And this won’t be wrapped up by then. As I’ve said before they will adhere to the unwritten 60 day rule.

Even the potential for charges against Cohen they are saying end of the month or after the midterms. When they released the charges against Collins they also referenced the desire to not impact the election.

I'm reconsidering my opinion because the friends of Sessions have agreed that sessions can be thrown under the bus. Within the same tweet or set of tweets I'm expecting Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller fired with no repercussions.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm reconsidering my opinion because the friends of Sessions have agreed that sessions can be thrown under the bus. Within the same tweet or set of tweets I'm expecting Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller fired with no repercussions.

I think not. Even the old turtle won't put up with that level of obstruction.

If Dems can win the HOR the first order of business will be to break Trump's balls off. The GOP will, for sure, turn on their own like sharks in a feeding frenzy. Trump never was their guy in the first place, either.

And the rats! OMFG! The rats are coming up from the bilges!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I think not. Even the old turtle won't put up with that level of obstruction.

If Dems can win the HOR the first order of business will be to break Trump's balls off. The GOP will, for sure, turn on their own like sharks in a feeding frenzy. Trump never was their guy in the first place, either.
And the rats! OMFG! The rats are coming up from the bilges!

the Republican Senators who said they would block Trump nominating anyone else have just given their approval. This means that Trump will likely at least in my opinion, take that as the go-ahead. Once that happens everyone else follows. Schumer will shake his head. And that will be that

 

[soundforbjt]

the Republican Senators who said they would block Trump nominating anyone else have just given their approval. This means that Trump will likely at least in my opinion, take that as the go-ahead. Once that happens everyone else follows. Schumer will shake his head. And that will be that

I agree, this is the repubs last ditch effort and many believe They can just claim to being conned when Trump is removed one way or another.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm reconsidering my opinion because the friends of Sessions have agreed that sessions can be thrown under the bus. Within the same tweet or set of tweets I'm expecting Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller fired with no repercussions.

Got links?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Got links?

Of course

https://www.greenwichtime.com/busin...e-Expects-Trump-to-Oust-Sessions-13177357.php

Note "key" republicans, the ones who stood with Sessions, and powerful ones at that.

 

[Maxima1]

Got links?

Graham definitely did. Grassley opened up a little by saying he now has time for nominations, but said tried to brush off speculation about Sessions. I think there's a possibility they may support it if they're able to hang onto the House & Senate.

 

[Jhhnn]

Of course

https://www.greenwichtime.com/busin...e-Expects-Trump-to-Oust-Sessions-13177357.php

Note "key" republicans, the ones who stood with Sessions, and powerful ones at that.

You read a whole lot into that in order to spread the FUD, huh?

It wasn’t clear, though, whether the senators’ comments were intended to endorse a move on Sessions later, or to coax Trump out of taking precipitous action now. And some senior Republican senators strongly rejected Graham’s seemingly impromptu fire-him-later idea.

It's not like Grassley's statement was committal to your proposition, either. If Trump fires Sessions of course he'd find time to vet the replacement. He wouldn't have much choice.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You read a whole lot into that in order to spread the FUD, huh?



It's not like Grassley's statement was committal to your proposition, either. If Trump fires Sessions of course he'd find time to vet the replacement. He wouldn't have much choice.

Whatever. You trust these guys more than I and I'm not alone in my concerns.

 

[Jhhnn]

Whatever. You trust these guys more than I and I'm not alone in my concerns.

I trust them to attend to the GOP agenda. That will be increasingly difficult carrying Trump to the 2020 election, particularly if Dems take the HOR. I doubt they're pleased with the idea of Trump running again in 2020 but I'm sure he will given his command of the GOP primary voting base. Well, if he survives.

I rather suspect that Mueller's probe will expose vast criminality on the part of Trump. Whether that will come in the form of a final report or in the sworn testimony of a chorus of rats with supporting documentation won't really matter. If Dems can take the HOR they'll force the Senate to act, probably early next year. I figure McConnell is smart enough to find a way to cut his losses in 2020 & rid the GOP of Trump at the same time. If the current balance holds, he'll have 9 Senators not up for re-election until 2024 & 21 more not up until 2022. It won't require nearly that many to join the Dems in ousting Trump. The ones up for re-election in 2020 can stand behind Trump & hopefully hold their base.

Or not. If the GOP can hold the HOR then they'll probably have Trump at the top of the ticket in 2020. You know- a ticket to disaster.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I trust them to attend to the GOP agenda. That will be increasingly difficult carrying Trump to the 2020 election, particularly if Dems take the HOR. I doubt they're pleased with the idea of Trump running again in 2020 but I'm sure he will given his command of the GOP primary voting base. Well, if he survives.

I rather suspect that Mueller's probe will expose vast criminality on the part of Trump. Whether that will come in the form of a final report or in the sworn testimony of a chorus of rats with supporting documentation won't really matter. If Dems can take the HOR they'll force the Senate to act, probably early next year. I figure McConnell is smart enough to find a way to cut his losses in 2020 & rid the GOP of Trump at the same time. If the current balance holds, he'll have 9 Senators not up for re-election until 2024 & 21 more not up until 2022. It won't require nearly that many to join the Dems in ousting Trump. The ones up for re-election in 2020 can stand behind Trump & hopefully hold their base.

Or not. If the GOP can hold the HOR then they'll probably have Trump at the top of the ticket in 2020. You know- a ticket to disaster.

The Republican agenda would have best been served by removing Trump early on. Instead they embrace his criminality like none in history. Consequently the Dems will probably do well in midterms and we be stuck with Trump getting away with what he wants until 2020.

The Republican agenda? That isn't Trump but they had to bow down to the crazed criminal.

I hope Sessions holds on but I have a feeling that if he goes and the worst happens there will be those who are fine with it. Not me.

Mueller's report? What report? The one that will never see the light of day if the obstruction that is Sessions is out? Yeah that one.

 

[Moonbeam]

There is none. You have to remember that 20 people were executed for being witches in Salem and 5 others died in prison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials

"The Salem witch trials were a series of hearings and prosecutions of people accused of witchcraft in colonial Massachusetts between February 1692 and May 1693. More than 200 people were accused, nineteen of which were found guilty and executed by hanging (fourteen women and five men). One other man was pressed to death for refusing to plead, and at least five people died in jail. It was the deadliest witch hunt in the history of the United States.

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The episode is one of Colonial America's most notorious cases of mass hysteria."



This particular witch hunt is just the latest example of mass Trump Derangement Syndrome hysteria in modern America.

You are simply confusing the psychotic outbreak of fear and the attribution of it to some demotic force, the reaction of the ignorant, scientifically uneducated, Illiberal with the forceful stamping out of such madness by liberals asserting the factual reality that such demotic forces do not exist out there in the universe but are a product of the delusional mind, in this case, minds under the influence of ergot rye mold. Not how drug induced madness among the superstitious became revelatory of enlightened ideals when injected by more rational health minds. Minds full of superstitious conditioning and irrational notions of the sources of evil, become quite insane when subjected to stressful conditions. For conservatives, all of these types of madness manifest at the fear of the loss of what they deem to be core values, sacred cows based on unexamined assumptions that are essentially sound by improperly conceived in application. Let go.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You are simply confusing the psychotic outbreak of fear and the attribution of it to some demotic force, the reaction of the ignorant, scientifically uneducated, Illiberal with the forceful stamping out of such madness by liberals asserting the factual reality that such demotic forces do not exist out there in the universe but are a product of the delusional mind, in this case, minds under the influence of ergot rye mold. Not how drug induced madness among the superstitious became revelatory of enlightened ideals when injected by more rational health minds. Minds full of superstitious conditioning and irrational notions of the sources of evil, become quite insane when subjected to stressful conditions. For conservatives, all of these types of madness manifest at the fear of the loss of what they deem to be core values, sacred cows based on unexamined assumptions that are essentially sound by improperly conceived in application. Let go.

Otherwise known in modern times as "Trump Derangement Syndrome"

 

[Jhhnn]

The Republican agenda would have best been served by removing Trump early on. Instead they embrace his criminality like none in history. Consequently the Dems will probably do well in midterms and we be stuck with Trump getting away with what he wants until 2020.

The Republican agenda? That isn't Trump but they had to bow down to the crazed criminal.

I hope Sessions holds on but I have a feeling that if he goes and the worst happens there will be those who are fine with it. Not me.

Mueller's report? What report? The one that will never see the light of day if the obstruction that is Sessions is out? Yeah that one.

Heh. Spread that FUD! Trump can fire Sessions if he wants but it's highly unlikely that the Senate would confirm any replacement who won't swear to continue the Mueller investigation.

When Trump became the nominee the GOP had to support him if they were to win their own seats. Ride the Trump wave! It worked. They got their tax cut giveaway to the wealthy, further crippled a lot of social programs, got lax financial regulatory oversight, trashed the Iran deal, sucked up to the Israel lobby & more.

Trump's criminality, while obvious but unproven even back then didn't matter to their base or a lot of other voters so it didn't matter to them, either. Getting what they wanted from Trump was pretty painless. Holding on to him will likely prove very painful, however.

 

[Moonbeam]

Otherwise known in modern times as "Trump Derangement Syndrome"

Yes, including a rational all the way to irrational reaction to having the insane in control of the steering wheel. We have a president subject to blackmail by God and probably only Mueller knows who. Your defense and support for Trump are dangerous for the country. I know you feel if you let go everything good would die but it didn’t for me. I understand why you hang on and can attribute no guilt to you for that. I don’t want anybody to suffer from the death of the supposed good, but I would never exchange not knowing pain from being released from it via understanding. Just want you to know that everything you believe in, the existence of good is real, even if what you think the good is isn’t.

 

[trenchfoot]

Mueller won't quit until he can't catch any more rats.

So true. In this case, I hope Mueller reaches far into that rat nest of Repub Congress critters who have been enabling Trump for all the time he's been at the helm. I sure do wish "failure to act on their pledge of office in the face of overwhelming evidence of malfeasance by the POTUS" was a chargeable offense seeing as if that's exactly what the Repubs have been up to.

 

[Jhhnn]

Maybe Fox News, talk radio, "reality" TV & social media trolls are the modern equivalent of ergot poisoning...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Heh. Spread that FUD! Trump can fire Sessions if he wants but it's highly unlikely that the Senate would confirm any replacement who won't swear to continue the Mueller investigation.

When Trump became the nominee the GOP had to support him if they were to win their own seats. Ride the Trump wave! It worked. They got their tax cut giveaway to the wealthy, further crippled a lot of social programs, got lax financial regulatory oversight, trashed the Iran deal, sucked up to the Israel lobby & more.

Trump's criminality, while obvious but unproven even back then didn't matter to their base or a lot of other voters so it didn't matter to them, either. Getting what they wanted from Trump was pretty painless. Holding on to him will likely prove very painful, however.

We'll see. I hope you are right but everytime it looks like Trump can't do anything more outrageous, he does.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

What's the expiration date on a witch hunt?

There is no expiration date on a Witch Hunt, except when it becomes apparent that it's merely a Witch Hunt -- that no crimes can be discovered attributable to the Witch.

The expiration date for the Mueller investigation would arise when further efforts to find corroborating evidence to that which is already discovered and known do not bear fruit. That point defines the boundaries of the case and the limits to the investigation.

Prudent governance would supposedly discourage Witch Hunts. Knowledge that a crime has been committed and a narrowing of a suspect list -- or expansion of it -- shouldn't have an arbitrary deadline until simple common sense concludes that the investigation has run to the end of its string. And the end of the string is defined by a lack of further corroborating evidence.

The GOP stalwarts don't want to see additional evidence, as it might prove the case they don't want proven. They therefore want an end to the investigation -- if possible before the election. They may well understand the ramifications for propaganda and public opinion if the investigation drags on. But the investigation should drag on to its conclusion.

 

[Jhhnn]

There is no expiration date on a Witch Hunt, except when it becomes apparent that it's merely a Witch Hunt -- that no crimes can be discovered attributable to the Witch.

Oh yeh? Fuck your feelings! Fuck your facts! Lock her up!