Will Microsoft LongHorn require 2GB of Ram?

[gate1975mlm]

Will Microsoft LongHorn require 2GB of Ram?

 

[FishTankX]

Highly unlikely. The jump from 2k to XP only doubled. SO i'd say 512MB to run, 1GB to be comfortble. But dell will probably still put in 256M

 

[JE78]

Originally posted by: FishTankX
Highly unlikely. The jump from 2k to XP only doubled. SO i'd say 512MB to run, 1GB to be comfortble. But dell will probably still put in 256M

And a 40gb HDD

 

[MrControversial]

...at 5400 RPM.

All joking aside, though, I won't be surprised if PC manufacturers start implementing some form of RAID for Longhorn. As you may or may not know, it uses a whole new file system called WinFS that uses a relational database to store files. So you'll be able to query files based on a number of attributes. You can even write custom queries in SQL to query files. WinFS on RAID0 would see a huge performance increase on theory alone.

 

[PingSpike]

I doubt it on raid, even IDE raid is costly...especially if you're Dell and stick a P4 3.4ghz in a machine with 128mb of ram and the cheapest onboard sound solution you can find. Also, its uses for desktop users have proven to be neglible.

 

[JE78]

I've never bought from Dell and don't advise anyone too only because you have to add another $200 on top of what you pay just for more ram and eventually another hard drive.

 

[mcjimbo]

Originally posted by: MrControversial
...at 5400 RPM.

All joking aside, though, I won't be surprised if PC manufacturers start implementing some form of RAID for Longhorn. As you may or may not know, it uses a whole new file system called WinFS that uses a relational database to store files. So you'll be able to query files based on a number of attributes. You can even write custom queries in SQL to query files. WinFS on RAID0 would see a huge performance increase on theory alone.

Sounds like the Google Gmail *Starred* concept

 

[NateSLC]

Originally posted by: MrControversial
...at 5400 RPM.

All joking aside, though, I won't be surprised if PC manufacturers start implementing some form of RAID for Longhorn. As you may or may not know, it uses a whole new file system called WinFS that uses a relational database to store files. So you'll be able to query files based on a number of attributes. You can even write custom queries in SQL to query files. WinFS on RAID0 would see a huge performance increase on theory alone.

WinFS will not make it's debut in Longhorn.

new.com

 

[Oyeve]

Originally posted by: JE78

Originally posted by: FishTankX
Highly unlikely. The jump from 2k to XP only doubled. SO i'd say 512MB to run, 1GB to be comfortble. But dell will probably still put in 256M

And a 40gb HDD

With 4 partitions.

 

[MrControversial]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
I doubt it on raid, even IDE raid is costly...especially if you're Dell and stick a P4 3.4ghz in a machine with 128mb of ram and the cheapest onboard sound solution you can find. Also, its uses for desktop users have proven to be neglible.

Negligible with current files systems. I'm talking about for querying files in WinFS. When you search for and open a file, you're running a huge database in the background.

 

[MrControversial]

Originally posted by: NateSLC

Originally posted by: MrControversial
...at 5400 RPM.

All joking aside, though, I won't be surprised if PC manufacturers start implementing some form of RAID for Longhorn. As you may or may not know, it uses a whole new file system called WinFS that uses a relational database to store files. So you'll be able to query files based on a number of attributes. You can even write custom queries in SQL to query files. WinFS on RAID0 would see a huge performance increase on theory alone.

WinFS will not make it's debut in Longhorn.

new.com

I'm sure that it was implemented in some form with the Longhorn beta...but then again it did run like crap. I will try to get ahold of the Beta and test it out on different RAID configurations...when it's available.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: MrControversial
...at 5400 RPM.

All joking aside, though, I won't be surprised if PC manufacturers start implementing some form of RAID for Longhorn. As you may or may not know, it uses a whole new file system called WinFS that uses a relational database to store files. So you'll be able to query files based on a number of attributes. You can even write custom queries in SQL to query files. WinFS on RAID0 would see a huge performance increase on theory alone.

Interesting, though how much of a performence increase?

 

[doublejbass]

Originally posted by: MrControversial
...at 5400 RPM.

All joking aside, though, I won't be surprised if PC manufacturers start implementing some form of RAID for Longhorn. As you may or may not know, it uses a whole new file system called WinFS that uses a relational database to store files. So you'll be able to query files based on a number of attributes. You can even write custom queries in SQL to query files. WinFS on RAID0 would see a huge performance increase on theory alone.

If this is true, it's idiotic. Severely. A DBMS is totally inefficient for basic file storage. There is WAY too much overhead. Any person who has any training in this sort of thing could tell you that.

 

[xaeniac]

WinFS will not ship with Longhorn!!! It has been confirmed.

 

[MrControversial]

Originally posted by: doublejbass

Originally posted by: MrControversial
...at 5400 RPM.

All joking aside, though, I won't be surprised if PC manufacturers start implementing some form of RAID for Longhorn. As you may or may not know, it uses a whole new file system called WinFS that uses a relational database to store files. So you'll be able to query files based on a number of attributes. You can even write custom queries in SQL to query files. WinFS on RAID0 would see a huge performance increase on theory alone.

If this is true, it's idiotic. Severely. A DBMS is totally inefficient for basic file storage. There is WAY too much overhead. Any person who has any training in this sort of thing could tell you that.

WinFS is anything but basic. Let's say you have MP3's scattered across your hard drive and you want to find all of the songs by a particular artist from a particular album. WinFS allows you to to query those files. I think it's cool and I think efficiency is one reason that MS is holding it back. I really like that concept. I hope they release it when they get it right. Hopefully we'll be on solid state drives by that time.

 

[MrControversial]

Originally posted by: xaeniac
WinFS will not ship with Longhorn!!! It has been confirmed.

We hear you, dammit!

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: MrControversial
All joking aside, though, I won't be surprised if PC manufacturers start implementing some form of RAID for Longhorn. As you may or may not know, it uses a whole new file system called WinFS that uses a relational database to store files. So you'll be able to query files based on a number of attributes. You can even write custom queries in SQL to query files. WinFS on RAID0 would see a huge performance increase on theory alone.

Except that WinFS has been tanked, at least in terms of being released alongside the Client OS version. When it is ready, it will be released with the Server OS, and then an update to the Client OS will also be released at the same time. So you're looking at perhaps 2+ years after Longhorn's release.

Btw, RAID on DB servers is usually implimented for data-integrity, not performance. Performance is gained via lots of RAM on the server, and lots of RAM on the SCSI/FC HBA, along with the use of SSDs in some cases.

At least for the Server OS version, a 2GB minimum wouldn't surprise me at all. I would expect that the "Recommended" RAM for the Client would likely be around 1GB, although the "Minimum" would perhaps be as little as 256-384MB or so.

 

[doublejbass]

Originally posted by: MrControversial
WinFS is anything but basic.

You're correct, it isn't. File storage IS. Learn how to read?

Let's say you have MP3's scattered across your hard drive and you want to find all of the songs by a particular artist from a particular album. WinFS allows you to to query those files.

Yes, I know what a database is. I can query those files too, I use the DB in iTunes. (Which is ALSO inefficient. ALL DBs are, compared to something like NTFS.)

I think it's cool

And that's really the most important thing when it comes to a file system.

and I think efficiency is one reason that MS is holding it back.

You mean the fact that it's not efficient.

I really like that concept.

Maybe you like the idea of using a DB. DBs have their advantages, of course. However, computer file storage is NOT one of them. If you have any REAL points, then by all means.

 

[ribbon13]

The most efficient file system should be the goal... with the most efficient database on top of the filesystem, not part of it. What is wrong with NTFS?

 

[Cheesetogo]

Originally posted by: FishTankX
Highly unlikely. The jump from 2k to XP only doubled. SO i'd say 512MB to run, 1GB to be comfortble. But dell will probably still put in 256M

I really dought that you'll need 512mb to run, considering that xp only needs 64mb, so 128mb at the max.

 

[aatf510]

When they invented RAID, the intention was to reduced cost!!
Therefore, RAID stands for "Reductant Array of Inexpensive Disks", later they changed it to "Reductant Array of Independent Disks" so that they can use expensive disks.

 

[CQuinn]

There seems to be a bit of confusion here about WinFS, so let me add to that by throwing in my understanding of it
(note: I have not used any alphas or betas from the Longhorn project, I'm only going by reports given by others,
and my understanding of some of the project goals)

WinFS will not replace NTFS. The idea behind WinFS was more of an NTFS Plus, where the journaling and
indexing capabilities of the file system would be enhanced by the addition of a SQL Server-derived database component.
NTFS will still be the "basic" file structure on which WinFS runs.

WinFS does not need to be a huge database. The existing files can stay exactly as they are in NTFS. What WinFS adds
is the ability to create new relationships between individual files in ways that can enhance the user experience.
But the database itself does not need to contain those files, it just needs to keep track of the underlying file system
so it can record where those files are, and any relevant changes that occur to those files that it can then index.
Think of it as a journalling addon to the MFT, with a service component that actively

PC Makers are not going to include RAID as a standard feature on el cheapo boxes. RAID adds to material costs
and support costs, and provides no greater return on performance than what we will already expect to gain
from the transition to SATA drives that support NCQ, TCQ, larger caches and larger capacities.

 

[sharkeeper]

WinFS may be coming to XP!

 

[KamiXkaze]

raid is not a option even in todays systems
NTFS is here to stay WinFS is more for the future
longhorn more than likely in the server side will require 2gigs user I doubt it but, I could be wrong tho.


KxK

 

[0roo0roo]

look at the past to know the future.

Here's What You Need to Use Windows XP Home Edition
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PC with 300 megahertz (MHz) or higher processor clock speed recommended; 233-MHz minimum required;* Intel Pentium/Celeron family, AMD K6/Athlon/Duron family, or compatible processor recommended
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128 megabytes (MB) of RAM or higher recommended (64 MB minimum supported; may limit performance and some features)
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1.5 gigabyte (GB) of available hard disk space.*
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Super VGA (800 × 600) or higher resolution video adapter and monitor
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CD-ROM or DVD drive
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Keyboard and Microsoft Mouse or compatible pointing device
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/upgrading/sysreqs.mspx

reqs are never so extreme. min reqs are really min reqs though not something u'd want to use.