Will Iran develop nuclear weapons?

[palehorse]

So, honestly, what do you guys think?

I'll go on the record and say that we REALLY need to involve Europe, China, and Russia in putting massive amounts of pressure on Iran, to include severe sanctions, for as long as possible. If and when Iran still insists on developing nuclear weapons, then we must build a solid coalition of nations that is willing to bomb their enrichment facilities back to the stoneage... but NO groundtroops! I do not believe that groundtroops, beyond the SF variety, will be necessary to take out their facilities and keep them in check.

Report eyes progress on Iran's nukes - 15 Nov 2006

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, in a two-hour news conference in Tehran, asserted the world has no choice but to "live with a nuclear Iran," although he conceded his country was "still in the first stages" of its enrichment program.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
So, honestly, what do you guys think?

I'll go on the record and say that we REALLY need to involve Europe, China, and Russia in putting massive amounts of pressure on Iran, to include severe sanctions, for as long as possible. If and when Iran still insists on developing nuclear weapons, then we must build a solid coalition of nations that is willing to bomb their enrichment facilities back to the stoneage... but NO groundtroops! I do not believe that groundtroops, beyond the SF variety, will be necessary to take out their facilities and keep them in check.

Report eyes progress on Iran's nukes - 15 Nov 2006

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, in a two-hour news conference in Tehran, asserted the world has no choice but to "live with a nuclear Iran," although he conceded his country was "still in the first stages" of its enrichment program.

Awwwwwww do you really care and why?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Awwwwwww do you really care and why?

Do you have any intelligent thoughts on the issue, or was that the best you can do?

if so, please troll elsewhere.

 

[PottedMeat]

who has the least invested in Iran? we do. as long as everyone else has $$$ and people there nobody will touch them. shoulda played nice years ago and entrenched american businesses there. besides, a nuke or ten floating around will make the world a more exciting place!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Awwwwwww do you really care and why?

Do you have any intelligent thoughts on the issue, or was that the best you can do?

if so, please troll elsewhere.

I'd like to know why you care, is it the Oil?

Do you fear WMD like Saddam supposedly had?

Do you fear he is killing thousands of innocents and they must be freed?

What is it?

 

[1EZduzit]

Nuclear proliferation, it sucks, it especially sucks since they are basically buying the technology with our oil dollars, but what can we do? It's too late, we can't put the genie back in the bottle so it's only a matter of time before they (or someone else we don't like) get nukes, even if they have to buy them from NK.

I don't like it but I think it's a bit of a moot point. It's eventually going to happen, it's just a matter of time. I also think bombiong them will only piss them off and increase their resolve. I think your right that we need to get other countries involved and put as much political pressure on them (to slow them down as much as possible), but that's about all we can really do.

I think our resources would be better used developing alternative energy sources. What all has this country done when we set out minds and resources to it? Gained it's freedom, won WW2 to preserve that freedom, invented the atomic bomb (in 26 months no less) and put a man on the moon and safely returned him. I think we just have to make up our minds and to do it and we will succeed.

 

[Czar]

Are countries hostile them who have nukes going to destroy their stock pile?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I think our resources would be better used developing alternative energy sources. What all has this country done when we set out minds and resources to it? Gained it's freedom, won WW2 to preserve that freedom, invented the atomic bomb (in 26 months no less) and put a man on the moon and safely returned him. I think we just have to make up our minds and to do it and we will succeed.

I agree completely... I know that we could get it done if we just focused on it properly; as we did with the Manhatten Project, the Apollo program, etc.

As for the use of force against Iran, you can rest assured that Israel will not hold back. So, there is an inevitable clash between one of our greatest allies and one of our largest enemies... will we just sit it out? Unfortunately, I don't think we would... no matter who is in the white house or congress!

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

As for the use of force against Iran, you can rest assured that Israel will not hold back. So, there is an inevitable clash between one of our greatest allies and one of our largest enemies... will we just sit it out? Unfortunately, I don't think we would... no matter who is in the white house or congress!

I'm not sure I understand what you mean, are you saying Isreal will attack to keep Iran from getting nukes or they will retailate if attacked?

If it's the former, then why do you think that? I personally think Isareal won't do anything (not by itself anyway) unless attacked and I don't see that happening. They will have to learn to play nice or they will destory each other and if they go that route we will just sit back. let them cripple each other and then move in and take their oil under the guise of restoring world order (which would actually be true). It's a good strategy IMO.

 

[Schadenfroh]

I do not doubt that Iran is developing them. But, I think that the Israelis will blast the living crap out of their "nuclear facilities" with air strikes before they get close to a test detonation, for they are the most threatened by a nuclear Iran.

But, I wonder how crazy Iran would be to actually use nukes against Israel, especially if one can trace it back to them. NATO would probably burn the nation off of the face of the earth in retaliation.

Although, there would be more hesitation due to oil than it would be if North Korea were to nuke South Korea or Japan.

 

[piasabird]

Just bomb them and destroy their power stations, their Water Treatment plants and their infrastructure. Make the people revolt against their Oppressors.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I think our resources would be better used developing alternative energy sources. What all has this country done when we set out minds and resources to it? Gained it's freedom, won WW2 to preserve that freedom, invented the atomic bomb (in 26 months no less) and put a man on the moon and safely returned him. I think we just have to make up our minds and to do it and we will succeed.

I agree completely... I know that we could get it done if we just focused on it properly; as we did with the Manhatten Project, the Apollo program, etc.

As for the use of force against Iran, you can rest assured that Israel will not hold back. So, there is an inevitable clash between one of our greatest allies and one of our largest enemies... will we just sit it out? Unfortunately, I don't think we would... no matter who is in the white house or congress!

:thumbsup:

In the end, I think this is why we should focus on energy independence, a post gas/oil economy. This would have so many benefits, and would likely define the 21st century. To achieve this, we must overcome the craven greed of our corporate-dominant society, which will rabidly suppress innovation as always.

In the absolute absence of US presence (or money) in the ME, there is nothing further to fear regarding the region. It is nicely set up with power-balancing and racially/religiously diverse groups (this makes disproportionately overpowering alliances unlikely). As strife flares up on a continual basis, the US would never be forgotten, but more pressing issues would drive the players in question as time progessed.

Israel should be a non-factor. If it comes to a nuclear confrontation (as will very possibly happen after Musharraf is removed from power in Pakistan, already nuke-armed, and with a massive fundamentalist Islamic core), it is moot whether the US is involved or not. Israel is such a small piece of land, that we could not act fast enough to salvage anything there. It would be a field of broken concrete, metal, glass, and ash. Israel's counterattack would likely leave the majority of the ME in the same condition. Either way, US power projection, while considerable, is not the kind of power that can be applied in the region beyond conventional support methodology.

I support normalizing relations with Iran, and simultaneously the most expedient possible methods applied to utter independence from the region. Why should be all be held basically hostage by this small, tumultuous region? It *IS* a national security problem. If nuclear war breaks out between the ME states, US oil production cannot make up for the supply loss. Prices of oil/gas/heating will raise not 100%, not 200%, but more like 20x, 30x, 40x today's prices, sending the entire economy into a total apoplexy. Riots, starvation, martial law, it would truly rival our civil war for the darkest hours of our beloved country. All because we are tied like slaves to the ME states for energy/economic stability.

Out of ME now! Permanently! Keep distant and cordial relations with Iran.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Just bomb them and destroy their power stations, their Water Treatment plants and their infrastructure. Make the people revolt against their Oppressors.

Sounds like something OBL would say.

pssst... and it doesn't work.

 

[Craig234]

Where's the 'lead a global movement for all nations, including the US, to be free of nukes, and the world united to use force if needed to prevent any nation from req-acquiring them' option?

 

[Specop 007]

Considering many Muslims countries have sworn to defeat Isreal and the Western nations, one of which is Iran, we should damn well care if they get a nuke.

I swear, some people are just completely blind. If someone came up to them on the street and said "I'm going to kill you!" some of the people we ahve would hand them the knife to do it.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Considering many Muslims countries have sworn to defeat Isreal and the Western nations, one of which is Iran, we should damn well care if they get a nuke.

I swear, some people are just completely blind. If someone came up to them on the street and said "I'm going to kill you!" some of the people we ahve would hand them the knife to do it.

Good analogy except the people are half way around the world with nothing but rocks to throw. Sorry I'm not going to hide under my bed because some punk in Iran says something.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Considering many Muslims countries have sworn to defeat Isreal and the Western nations, one of which is Iran, we should damn well care if they get a nuke.

I swear, some people are just completely blind. If someone came up to them on the street and said "I'm going to kill you!" some of the people we ahve would hand them the knife to do it.

Good analogy except the people are half way around the world with nothing but rocks to throw. Sorry I'm not going to hide under my bed because some punk in Iran says something.

An oil tanker with a nuke in the hold docked in NY harbor works wonders.

 

[Aimster]

Iran has said they wish to destroy the Israel regime. They never once said they want to destroy Israel as a whole.

Israel has also said the Iranian regime needs to be destroyed.

 

[magomago]

They probably will but I don't care too much. I think it is clearly for defensive purposes...you know to PREVENT stuff like Israel from deciding to enter their territory and airspace and attacking things.

I think we should be more concerned about Iran and what its doing in Iraq

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Considering many Muslims countries have sworn to defeat Isreal and the Western nations, one of which is Iran, we should damn well care if they get a nuke.

I swear, some people are just completely blind. If someone came up to them on the street and said "I'm going to kill you!" some of the people we ahve would hand them the knife to do it.

Good analogy except the people are half way around the world with nothing but rocks to throw. Sorry I'm not going to hide under my bed because some punk in Iran says something.

An oil tanker with a nuke in the hold docked in NY harbor works wonders.

Fine, have fun hiding under your bed.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Considering many Muslims countries have sworn to defeat Isreal and the Western nations, one of which is Iran, we should damn well care if they get a nuke.

I swear, some people are just completely blind. If someone came up to them on the street and said "I'm going to kill you!" some of the people we ahve would hand them the knife to do it.

Good analogy except the people are half way around the world with nothing but rocks to throw. Sorry I'm not going to hide under my bed because some punk in Iran says something.

What dazzling intellect, comparing nuclear weapons and/or material to rocks. They may have rocks today; tomorrow they'll have a rock that vaporizes everything within miles and you couldn?t care less.

Even though they?ve publicly sworn to kill us, and directly operate terrorist groups to carry out attacks, they?re also correctly convinced that they will not be stopped. Not because we cannot stop them, but because we?re going to decide not to.

Makes me wonder, how many here are sympathetic to their cause. I mean, you defend their nuclear technology; do you also defend chants of ?death to America?? Today?s threat is an international group, defined not by borders or race but by sympathetic ideologies. Perhaps then, our biggest problem is that we?ve already been infiltrated too deeply by the desire to kill us, and it?s not apathy that blocks our way, it?s a calculated malice to undermine our survival.

 

[Severian]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran has said they wish to destroy the Israel regime. They never once said they want to destroy Israel as a whole.

Israel has also said the Iranian regime needs to be destroyed.

y'know, I could swear I read MULTIPLE times in various places about Iran's "president" Ahmadinejad calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map". Sounds a lot like he wants to destroy Israel as a whole.

link

^ a link I think even you would not regard as politically motivated, eh?

 

[Aimster]

& we will never know if Iran will have a nuclear weapon or not. They will never test one. They will remain an Israel if nobody attacks their nuclear sites.

The purpose of a nuclear Iran for the Iranian regime is an extension of their lifeline. A nuclear Iran means the Iranian regime stays in power for a guaranteed 100+ more years. Their purpose is not to attack the U.S or Israel with the use of nuclear weapons.

The U.S & Iran have been going at it since the fall of the Shah. Neither has really attacked each other. Go look at newspapers from early 1990s. The headlines are pretty much the same as today.

Even with what I said and knowing Iran would never dare use their nuclear weapons, I still say we should strike Iran's nuclear sites.
We should have striked North Korea's nuclear sites as well.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Severian

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran has said they wish to destroy the Israel regime. They never once said they want to destroy Israel as a whole.

Israel has also said the Iranian regime needs to be destroyed.

y'know, I could swear I read MULTIPLE times in various places about Iran's "president" Ahmadinejad calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map". Sounds a lot like he wants to destroy Israel as a whole.

link

^ a link I think even you would not regard as politically motivated, eh?

I understand farsi and in farsi he clearly said

"The Israel regime needs to be wiped off the map"

 

[Severian]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Severian

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran has said they wish to destroy the Israel regime. They never once said they want to destroy Israel as a whole.

Israel has also said the Iranian regime needs to be destroyed.

y'know, I could swear I read MULTIPLE times in various places about Iran's "president" Ahmadinejad calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map". Sounds a lot like he wants to destroy Israel as a whole.

link

^ a link I think even you would not regard as politically motivated, eh?

I understand farsi and in farsi he clearly said

"The Israel regime needs to be wiped off the map"

In the interests of equal time, what Aimster says is apparently true:

Ahmadinejad mistranslated, experts say

you learn something new every day

I do agree that it's folly to allow a sworn enemy, whose leaders regularly call for our destruction, to develop the means with which to accomplish it. That's just survival 101. I'd support airstrikes against Iran's nuclear sites, wherever they are.