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Will Intel be Investigated.

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Seems there are quite a few bully tactics being done by Intel.

Who thinks Intel should be investigated for strong arming vendors into steering away from AMD products?

Hopefully You didnt like it when NVIDIA did the same to kyro. Surely NVIDIA deserved a slap for that.

Who thinks this might cut into Microsoft's line of software to be released?
Microsoft lest you forget INTEL CALLED YOU A MONOPOLY IN COURT!!!

The good that can happen is the Little vendor can emerge and make money because the big names in the game are going to listen to Intel.

This I see as good because HP is killing itself internally and if you have had to deal with HP lately you know how bad they are going down hill.

As for Dell. Mikey Dell is no leader. He is Intel's puppet. Dance Puppet Dance!
 

Wingznut

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Did you not read the moderator's comment the last time you brought this up?

No? Ok, I'll quote...
You are not starting off well as a member of the AnandTech community. Perhaps you're Van Smith back from the dead, but either way you need to think about what you're saying.

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Btw, "Van Smith"??? Ouch! :Q
 
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Crybaby. In order to make an omlet you must scrable a few eggs.

http://www.amdzone.com/#2

Dell's reseller rating has dropped off with many complaints from over 5 to just above 3 for the past 6 months. This largely seems to be due to outsourcing support. Compaq isn't doing well either with a rating of below 3, but a 6 month rating of 5. Could this be due to the merger with HP whose rating is above 5 on both counts? IBM's rating is over 5 lifetime, but there is no 6 month data. Apple has the most drastic drop with a rating drop from 7 lifetime to 2.5 6 months. Interesting data for sure. I only wish more people used Reseller Ratings for the big OEMs so there was more data. Surely this would be far more accurate that what PCWorld gets.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12027
CompUSA to closely follow Intel party line

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12015
Intel uses financial muscle to edge out AMD

INTEL SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED FOR BULLYING VENDORS. Microsoft gets called into for it. So should Intel.
 
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Crybaby. In order to make an omlet you must scrable a few eggs.

http://www.amdzone.com/#2

Dell's reseller rating has dropped off with many complaints from over 5 to just above 3 for the past 6 months. This largely seems to be due to outsourcing support. Compaq isn't doing well either with a rating of below 3, but a 6 month rating of 5. Could this be due to the merger with HP whose rating is above 5 on both counts? IBM's rating is over 5 lifetime, but there is no 6 month data. Apple has the most drastic drop with a rating drop from 7 lifetime to 2.5 6 months. Interesting data for sure. I only wish more people used Reseller Ratings for the big OEMs so there was more data. Surely this would be far more accurate that what PCWorld gets.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12027
CompUSA to closely follow Intel party line

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12015
Intel uses financial muscle to edge out AMD

INTEL SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED FOR BULLYING VENDORS. Microsoft gets called into for it. So should Intel.
 
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This support Mikey Dell is a puppet boy for Intel.

http://www.statesman.com/business/content/auto/epaper/editions/today/business_f3587077553461ed001f.html;COXnetJSessionID=1G57hqhgsC4n33qydykHVLXP9kGxs0Rbu9Lj3AmT5oc1nF23xO9U!1154790549?urac=n&urvf=10658104272340.7482528718435096

Let IBM chew away at both HP/Compaq and Dell's market and will see what happens with Next years bottom line.
 

DAPUNISHER

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Learn to link, and enjoy your impending ban. I know I will :p
 
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I backed up my comment with proof again. If thats a no no Im not sure what forums are about? Play nice but dont speak of controversial things.

If you cant stand the heat dont buy a prescott.
 

DAPUNISHER

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In another thread you mentioned you are married, so since you are evidently an adult I'll reason with you :) Doesn't it seem logical to you that when the thread is one which is purely imflammatory that it doesn't serve to educate anyone but rather simply invites flame wars to start? What possible purpose can bashing Intel and Dell have beyond attempting to stir up ill will toward them? Fortunately most of our members have learned to avoid AMD and Intel flame wars and just need to get beyond the ATI and nVidia issues with the same self control.

I'm just suggesting to you from one member/adult to another, please lay off the imflammatory remarks about any company/product and try to help the less knowledgable members with the issues you have experience with :) Perhaps even engage in productive discussions of the product and technology as oppossed to being so incredibly abrasive in stating you views? It will help make this a more enjoyable place to "hang out" for all of us including yourself ;)
 

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Point taken. I do sometimes like a devils advocate point of view on subjects. Sometimes I use it to my benefit to expose possible items I may have overlooked. I wasnt looking to flame on the post initially although My frustration in recent dealing in DELL and HP may have gotten the better of me today. As for Intel I would have liked to have seen a poll of who tolerated this behavior and if it effected their decision in purchasing products or investing into a company. I sold my initial stock in INTEL the first time they did this. I am sadly dissapointed they are doing it again and gettig away with it. This kind of corporate strong arming has made me avoid NVIDIA because it prevents companies from florishing. Competition is what drives prices low. If AMD wasnt around one could expect a P4 2.4C not to be under 200.00 but a lot more.

In retrospect if no one talks about it then its like letting them get away with it.
I am expressing my disgust for Intels latest tactics to being beaten at their own game.
Intel should retaliate with superior products not block those with poor buisness practices that only hurt consumers.

Accept my apology or not and let anand lock the thread if he feels it is unjust.
 

Vanye

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Intel won't be investigated nobody has said they were being threatened. Also even if somebody had said they were Bush and co. would not do anything as they
have no problem with them doing anything(they certainly had no problem with MS).
 

Wingznut

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Originally posted by: Ticktanium2038
I backed up my comment with proof again.
A bunch of heresy from theinquirer is not "proof". As Vanye pointed out, nobody has actually admitted to being "threatened."

theinquirer likes to post sensationalized articles to garner attention, not unlike their namesake The Enquirer at the checkout line. And it works.
I do visit theinquirer from time to time because it is entertaining... Not because of their accurate journalism.

 

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Hi Ticktanium2038,


>Very interesting point. Didnt think of the BUSH factor.
Yes its really interesting coming from some one who is so convinced Israel controls America that he puts it in his signature. And if it were true, of course the Prime Mininster of Israel would announce it on the radio, right? Shesh.

I personally find the subject of underhanded coporate tactics interesting. I don't expect people to discuss it rationally though.

I have no doubt that powerful companies, and not so powerful, use morally suspect tactics; but rather than it being illegal, the strong-arming is generally done by lawyers, and it is done through the legal system. Take SCOs method of destroying Linux, for instance. Although Congress sometimes holds hearings, and the press calls them investigations, the so-called investigations are just opportunities for political campaining, and a means of shaking down corporations for contributions.

As for GW and the Republicans, I will point out that the law on these sorts of things is exactly what the Democrats want it to be. Recall that the Democratic Party has controlled the bodies which writes the laws, the US House and Senate that is, since 1932, except for some minor isolated periods. That's roughly 70 years. They have corporate law precisely the way they want it by now.

There is nothing illegal, for instance, about refusing to sell chips to some vendor for any reason Intel or AMD may choose, or no reason. If they say they won't sell to you unless you buy 100% from them and no one else, or if they will only give you a lower price under those circumstances, that is legal. A contact to that effect is legal. And it is also legal to require you in the contract to keep the terms secret. It is not only legal, but it is often done (leaving Intel aside.) If you sign a contract like that, it will be enforced in court. And yes the court proceedings will be secret to the extent required to keep the terms secret. You may recall that the US lawyers in the MS suit were required to observe the secrecy of the terms of the MS contracts.

Before you get the wrong idea about my attitude toward capitalism, let me say I think corporations are the primary reason the people in this country are as well off as they are in comparison to the rest of the world.

I don't believe Intel was ever declared a monopoly, but there are some extra legal restrictions on corporations after a court decides they are monopolies. That may seem to be a good thing, but the settlement of the case is seldom, if ever, of any benefit to the consumer in terms of cost. Rather than being of any benefit to you or me, the average citizen, the settlement provides a protected environment for the competitor, which at best allows him to raise prices, and therefore allows the monopoly to raise their prices. For instance, in the MS case the only thing that might have happened to MS was to separate it into an OS company and an application company. A company, MS-1 say, would still be making and selling Windows. That would be of no advantage to the consumer. It would be of no advantage to a competitor, say Red Hat linux, unless possibly there were some restrictions on the sale of MS-1 Windows that made MS-1 less able to compete, in which case Red Hat could raise their price, in turn allowing MS to raise prices. It is true that at some future date the additional revenue may allow Red Hat to become a more formidable competitor, at the expense of the consumer, but it is more likely to further stengthen MS financially, because it is already the stronger of the two. The rationale for laws on monopoly is to insure competition, but they either do no such thing, or attempt to do so by making the competitors compete less, and so drive up the cost to consumers.

To sum up, the idea that some law can do better what the free market inherently does of itself, is economically naive. It is more wishful thinking, the province of socialists. There is no particular constituency for or against monopoly laws among businesses, and so the presumed prejudice against monopoly laws by Republicans is incorrect. At best anti-monopoly judgements would PROTECT partiticular businesses, but they don't really do that either. Republicans are rather more economically sophisticated than Demorcrats (at least in public) and the Bush administration terminated the pointless stupidity, to the advantage of the average American.

They are laws that protect monopolies, although people don't seem to notice. Patents, copyrights, and anything conceived as intellectual property. Democrats and Republicans are pretty much united in extending this type of monopoly, to the detriment of the average citizen.
 

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Getting in over my head but anyway...

This wouldn't be the first time Intel tried to strong arm AMD. When the Athlon first came out Intel tried to keep motherboard manufactures from supporting AMDs new CPUs. That was a few years ago and AMD is still selling chips today. They don't call this stuff big business for nothing.

And about the Microsoft comment, isn't it them who is forcing Intel to adopt AMD's 64bit extensions if Intel wishes to have 64bit support in a OS for future Intel64bit desktop processors? Who is getting bullied there? :)
 

OddTSi

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Originally posted by: paperfist
And about the Microsoft comment, isn't it them who is forcing Intel to adopt AMD's 64bit extensions if Intel wishes to have 64bit support in a OS for future Intel64bit desktop processors? Who is getting bullied there? :)

Actually, if you read the story from a reputable source (and not the Inquirer like most people) you would've seen that Microsoft's official statement was that Intel needs to either use AMD's 64-bit extensions or it's own IA64 instructions since those have already been coded into Windows. They SAID that they wouldn't re-code and re-compile Windows for a 3rd 64-bit ISA.

However, I'm sure that if Intel really insisted on a new ISA, Microsoft would re-compile the OS. They wouldn't be happy about it that's for sure, but I'm sure they wouldn't refuse.