Will Hot Deals be the END of retailers!? READ ON!

Madcowz

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I posted a shorter version of this about a year ago, but after yet another hot deal incident I was inclined to come back to it. So here goes!:

"Will Hot Deals be the END of retailers?"

... obviously, this is a bit of an overstatement, but it does hold some truth as I'm sure many of you would agree. Now, as you can imagine, most of the hot deals that can be found on such internet sites and forums usually create a net loss (or NO net gain) for businesses. It's these exceptional deals that from time to time, a retailer or e-tailer will offer that they realize they are taking a loss, but for the sake of drawing in the customer, they will accept the loss in hopes of gains for compensated sales. Now let me explain:

Retailers offer advertised sales on a regular basis on select items. Typically they will under-price these particular items where they will either lose money or make nothing. This will entice people to come in to their store or shop at their web store-front, and once the customer is in their store they anticipate that they will purchase other items as well. That's how they make their money back. I worked for a Grocery store, which uses the same tactics, and actually, I was made aware that competition is so fierce that it forced them to drive prices down to a point where they make NO net profit on grocery items! Nearly all profits are instead derived through special services such as from the bakery, floral section, prepared foods, and catering serivces! This was not enough, and MANY chains ended up going under in my area (North Jersey). In the past 5 years or so, I have seen the same grocery stores getting new management and being constantly bought out by a new chains as each one would successively fail and file for bankruptcy. I would see stores go from Food town to Adams, to Grand Union, to Stop and shop... probably all within 2 years!


Now you would think something like this would be self-correcting in the retail world (afterall, why would they continue to take losses by offering hot deals), but with the competitive nature of businesses (especially with the rise of e-business), the only way to survive in today's world is to offer lower prices then your competitor. Unfortunately this becomes a vicious cycle. Profits become more and more difficult to obtain, and cause many retailers to go under. Think of all the companies in the past couple years who have experienced major finacial problems and have filed for bankruptcy (Office Depot, K-Mart), have little or no projections for profit, or have gone under completely (Value America, Onvia)!

This trend has lead to a new market: Those who capitalize on some of those super-hot deals, and engage in private sales seeking profits on such sites as eBay. Now this may be a good way to make a buck or even a living, but this only hurts the economy. Think about it... engaging in this ferengi activity not only cause the retailers who pay taxes and are an integral part of our economy to directly incur a loss on your ferengi purchases, but you additionally are essentially stealing their sales by turning around and selling this merchandise on the private market.

If one rather sought income in a regular paying job, his productiveness will then be contributing to our economy. There are many more factors envolved, and one could go as far as to say that hot deals may be hurting the job industry, but I won't even go there.

So let's pause for a second and recap with an example:

Bob purchases 10 Product X's at $80 at Vendor X, who's purchasing price is $100
Bob sells all 10 Product X's on eBay for $140 each

Result:
- Bob makes a killing at $60 profit per piece!
- Vendor loses $200
- Vendor and retail world at large lose potential sale of 10 pieces


Okay, so obviously there will always be those who are spendthrift or simply pay retail price, but they are becoming rarer and rarer. Now of course, this isn't the main reason for the recent decline in retail business, but it sure is a contributing factor.

It seems to me that hot deals are getting worse (which is evidence that it IS starting to correct itself), but not just in the sense that better deals are becoming rarer, but rather people are starting to get greedier and greedier while they try to take advantage of the 'system.' I'm not just referring to cases where people capitalize on deals simply to resell for profit buying 10's or hundreds of super-low priced items, but also to the reactions I've seen to pricing-errors. Case in point, look at the age-old buy.com Hitachi monitor fiasco or the best-buy Geforce 4 error as examples. People jump on the deal knowing full well it was a pricing error. I mean come on, does anyone honestly believe that Best Buy would, even if they could, take a $200 in loss for each item?

And naturally, after the cancellation notices start coming in, which everyone expected, the bitching and whining start pouring in. Talks about lawsuits, and boycotting... it's all ridiculous. I saw the thread on this old deal and had posted this:

"You guys are crazy to expect Best Buy to honor that price, which was clearly a pricing error. They would be taking over a quarter million loss! You all knew full well that this was a mistake, and should have expected nothing. To say that this was a bait and switch case is ridiculous. Obviously, companies are well aware of the troubles pricing-errors cause (especially after the buy.com hitachi monitor fiasco), and they would be quite stupid to pull something like this simply to get HITS on their web store-front. This campaign against Best Buy isn't about righteousness or any of that crap and you all know that... this is about greed. You guys are turning into scavengers who will grab any chance to take advantage of simple common human error, and it really sickens me."

Naturally, everyone got offended, and just moved on with their lawsuit talks.

I mean is it just me, or are Hot Deals changing people? Perhaps we were greedy all along and just waiting for something to latch on and take advantage of?
 

Madcowz

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PART II:

Okay, so just recently I was following the Staples Maxtor 200GB deal and was lucky to score one for myself (for personal use). I had noticed after Staples mistakenly posted the availability of a $200 rebate that was clearly meant to be $50 (Even showed the $50 rebate after you clicked on it), people started jumping on it knowing full well it was a mistake! Okay, if you want to take the risk and give it a try that's perfectly alright, but come on, just because it doesn't happen doesn't mean you have throw a hissy fit over it!

I personally was happy with the deal I got at $109. I say, either keep it and be happy or send it back if you're not. People often try to bank on these errors, and when it doesn't go through they insist on whining, complaining and suing! Then they'll use conspiracy theories to cover up the real personal motive which we all know is SIMPLE GREED. Go on about 'bait and switch' and what not if you'd like, but it seems like common sense to me that 'bait and switch' for a vendor is like the equivalent of shooting themselves in the foot. They don't PURPOSELY make errors simply because it causes FAR too much trouble for them than it's worth! If they wanted to attrack attention they would advertise it on the front page rather than have it somewhere hidden!

Error is easy to make because all the pricing information is relayed from several sources--manufacturer to supplier (optional) to retailer to the webmaster. To further reiterate, I'll point out the various pricing errors posted in fun about the pricing errors concerning erroneous HIGH prices> You see, error is not just isolated to cases of insanely low prices!

So I guess to recap, I will just say this: I love deals just as much as the next person, but please, let's keep it that way! Taking advantage of hot deals and getting your panties in a bunch over simple price mistakes will only make them worse! I don't want to player hate you ebay resellers, I mean that's your career choice, and I understand we all have to put food on the plate somehow, but let's face it: YOu'RE A FISCAL DRAG! *chuckle*... okay, I'm jus pullin' your legs ;)
 

dirtboy

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I think that companies will evaluate their deals more closely and find ways to offer them to specific customers, rather than to everybody. Retailers aren't stupid. :)
 

dopcombo

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Think of the guy who made money thru ebay sales who will then spend his money buying something else he can't find on hot deals.

like pizza and beer maybe.

i guess u just need to find a business where price wars are not the only way to get ahead.

 

yllus

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"Will Hot Deals be the END of retailers?"
No. For every Ferengi, there are twenty hu-maans out there. As a retail worker in computer electronics, I can sincerely vouch for this as fact.
Perhaps we were greedy all along and just waiting for something to latch on and take advantage of?
No $hit.
 

Orsorum

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It is interesting to see once-semi-perfectly competitive markets move towards oligopoly. Of course, that is just my uneducated observation, I could be wrong.
 

MaxDSP

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I think its safe to say that normal consumers far outnumber the number of hot dealers among the population.

Although, I agree with you on the fact that some of these hot dealers have no right to bitch and whine when something doesnt go their way. You win some, and you WILL lose some
 

Orsorum

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Madcowz - what you have described as happening in your area grocery stores is somewhat normal, it's just part of being in a market known for harsh competition. As long as you can break even on the bottom line, that's what matters.
 

MaxDSP

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Also, the size of the grocery stores you give in your example also plays a part in this. What were they, mom and pop corner stores, or huge chains?

As for Kmart, it didnt file for bankruptcy because hot dealers were taking them for all they were worth, it was because of the competition from Target and Wal-Mart. When people have Kmart stereotyped as the bottom rung of retail stores, that tends to hurt sales
 

Sluggo

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Yeah, but those filler products like rubber bands and paper clips are almost pure profit.

Thats where the REAL money is :p
 

RossMAN

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Originally posted by: Sluggo
Yeah, but those filler products like rubber bands and paper clips are almost pure profit.

Thats where the REAL money is :p

Tell me about it.

I have about 50 packages of rubber bands, paper clips, pushpins, etc. from Staples, OD and OM.
 

Marauder-

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Originally posted by: Madcowz
So let's pause for a second and recap with an example:

Bob purchases 10 Product X's at $80 at Vendor X, who's purchasing price is $100
Bob sells all 10 Product X's on eBay for $140 each

Result:
- Bob makes a killing at $60 profit per piece!
- Vendor loses $200
- Vendor and retail world at large lose potential sale of 10 pieces

Or you could argue that those people who did not find out about the deal were only willing to pay the Ebay price of $140 over the retail regular price of X. I do agree that it is Greed that drives a the Ebay Ferengis but I mean, what can you do? I personally think even our AT force cannot seriously impact a company all that much b/c we will usually run them dry of that stock. If it's a local store, it'll be like 4-5 pieces per store. If it's a major chain, say a hot deal takes 150 pieces, I dont think that'll hurt them in the long run. Its mainly the cutthroat competition that's out there, IMO. The *Hot Deals* of today are definitely a lot tamer than the *Hot Deals* of old. You can say Hot Deals hurt budding retailers then, but definitely not now.