Will GWB get impeached before WW3?

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[Taggart]

How old are you? Mid to early teens I suppose?

No, Bush will not be impeached. I'll put $1000 for any takers. He will also not start WWIII. Another $1000. 0% chance on both counts.

Now don't get me wrong, I think W somewhere in his history deserves jail time for some white collar crime he committed (but can never be proved, so forget it). I also think he wants to make the Bible the law, another huge problem with the man. But all politicians have these kinds of skeletons, so who cares.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Oddly enough, if everything I say bad about Bush is true, then he still has not done an impeachable act. Lying to Congress would be grounds for impeachment as Clinton did, but lets be extreme. Let's say Bush manufactured all evidence, knew IN FACT Saddam had no WMD's, explicitly lied to achieve an invasion of Iraq and forged documents to be shown in public. That is not grounds for impeachment. He can do whatever he wants that way, and it is legal. Weird huh?

 

[Insane3D]

I like fluffernutters...really thick ones with lots of fluff and peanut bu....err...oh...sorry...wrong thread. I keep getting the favorite sandwich threads and the impeach Bush before WW3 threads messed up...sorry about that.

This thread should be interesting to say the least...:Q

 

[Zebo]

No Chance. As long as you don't like to travel, Bush is basically good for America. Believes in things like self-determination and making sure americans come first in any policies. I do have a problem with the misleading the public, inside corp deals, and questionable human rights record to do it though. Now Clinton is the real sellout. Nafta cost 8 million jobs which hav'nt been made up.

Better the wolf you know than a wolf in sheeps clothing.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Oddly enough, if everything I say bad about Bush is true, then he still has not done an impeachable act. Lying to Congress would be grounds for impeachment as Clinton did, but lets be extreme. Let's say Bush manufactured all evidence, knew IN FACT Saddam had no WMD's, explicitly lied to achieve an invasion of Iraq and forged documents to be shown in public. That is not grounds for impeachment. He can do whatever he wants that way, and it is legal. Weird huh?

Hay, I'd like to see a Congression hearing on the issue of 1441 and the invasion.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Oddly enough, if everything I say bad about Bush is true, then he still has not done an impeachable act. Lying to Congress would be grounds for impeachment as Clinton did, but lets be extreme. Let's say Bush manufactured all evidence, knew IN FACT Saddam had no WMD's, explicitly lied to achieve an invasion of Iraq and forged documents to be shown in public. That is not grounds for impeachment. He can do whatever he wants that way, and it is legal. Weird huh?

Hay, I'd like to see a Congression hearing on the issue of 1441 and the invasion.

ME too. What would get Bush into trouble is if he lied about it, THEN he would be in legal trouble. Don't count on him being brought before Congress too soon though.

 

[etech]

When you take into consideration the bill that Congress passed in October giving Pres. Bush authority to remove Saddam I don't think you will see a hearing on 1441.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: etech
When you take into consideration the bill that Congress passed in October giving Pres. Bush authority to remove Saddam I don't think you will see a hearing on 1441.

True, they are complicit in this too. However it may be that information given before Congress influencing their decision was less than factual. Remains to be seen.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: etech
When you take into consideration the bill that Congress passed in October giving Pres. Bush authority to remove Saddam I don't think you will see a hearing on 1441.

So, are you saying that what he did was ok, but he will get off on a technicality, or are you saying that he was wrong, but covered all his bases?

 

[etech]

I'm saying that the House approved of the action by the vote of 296-133 and the Senate approved it by 77-23.

Two choices, either you believe that all of the Senators and Congressmen were in on some grand conspriacy or they truly believed that the best course of action was the removal of Saddam.

Insane3D
If what he did was ok than there is no reason to get off on a technicality

Would you like to try that again?

 

[Insane3D]

If what he did was ok than there is no reason to get off on a technicality

Yes, but was it OK?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: etech
I'm saying that the House approved of the action by the vote of 296-133 and the Senate approved it by 77-23.

Two choices, either you believe that all of the Senators and Congressmen were in on some grand conspriacy or they truly believed that the best course of action was the removal of Saddam.

Insane3D
If what he did was ok than there is no reason to get off on a technicality

Would you like to try that again?

No doubt the resolutions passed. Part of the war powers act, no? But, my focus was on:
We ratified the UN Charter, I believe. In so doing it became an extension of our law, I assume. Now then, if there did not exist authority to invade contained in 1441 or before then where did the legal justification come from. And if there was none then the invasion violated our law and the rights of Iraq to remain sovereign. This is the logic I'm operating with. I welcome being edified on this so I can move on from this sticky point (for me).

 

[etech]

The best legal argument I have seen was the one by the UK's Attorny General.

Attorney General's Iraq response

 

[SnapIT]

I have very little doubt that ww3 would be bush's ultimate wet dream...

No, i think most of you americans are just dumb, so you won't stop it...

No, i don't think the world learned the lesson from ww2 if so, this would be a great time to attack the US... before they make their next move...

Yes, i do believe that Bush and most americans are megalomaniacs who think the world is irrelevant... sad, but i still think it's true...

 

[Trezza]

OMG...this is the first bush thread i have ever seen here thats has be civil and well thought out opinions in without any rediculous slandering of either group.

LETS KEEP IT UP!

...though i am not going to get into the whole assassomation choice.

All in all I don't see WW3 in the near future. Regardless how you feel about the Bush administration they are watching the world opinion and in my opinion well balenced.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: SnapIT
I have very little doubt that ww3 would be bush's ultimate wet dream...

No, i think most of you americans are just dumb, so you won't stop it...

No, i don't think the world learned the lesson from ww2 if so, this would be a great time to attack the US... before they make their next move...

Yes, i do believe that Bush and most americans are megalomaniacs who think the world is irrelevant... sad, but i still think it's true...

That's odd, I don't feel megalomaniacal. I truly couldn't care less, though, about you or the rest of the world. Why should I?

Attack us if you wish. Your vapor will eventually condense and fall to Earth to fertilize our crops.

My statements are assanine and stupid, just like yours. You have a propensity for stirring the pot rather than turning down the heat. C-c-can't we all just get along?

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: etech
I'm saying that the House approved of the action by the vote of 296-133 and the Senate approved it by 77-23.

Two choices, either you believe that all of the Senators and Congressmen were in on some grand conspriacy or they truly believed that the best course of action was the removal of Saddam.

Or a third, that they honestly believed that the best course of action was the removal of Saddam, and were misled by Bush/Powell/Rumsfield/Wolfowitz and the gang.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: SnapIT
I have very little doubt that ww3 would be bush's ultimate wet dream...

No, i think most of you americans are just dumb, so you won't stop it...

No, i don't think the world learned the lesson from ww2 if so, this would be a great time to attack the US... before they make their next move...

Yes, i do believe that Bush and most americans are megalomaniacs who think the world is irrelevant... sad, but i still think it's true...

That's odd, I don't feel megalomaniacal. I truly couldn't care less, though, about you or the rest of the world. Why should I?

Attack us if you wish. Your vapor will eventually condense and fall to Earth to fertilize our crops.

My statements are assanine and stupid, just like yours. You have a propensity for stirring the pot rather than turning down the heat. C-c-can't we all just get along?

Sure, if you would admit that this war against Irak is the work of a madman...

Oh, have you got Bin Laden, have you got Hussein? nah... have you got hundreds of children with blown off limbs or worse? yup... Have you found any of all them WMD's you went to war for? the UN people were incompetent so they couldn't find them... so the world was told... have you found any? even one? they were destroying rockets that were on the limit when you attacked.. nice... like beating someone who is already laying down... I have little doubt that whoever in the region is your next target, which country it will be will depend on opinion of course...

Your strategy isn't working out that great, is it... You blame but are not subject to blame... or so you think...

This part of the world hats you with a vengance... make no mistake about it...

might != right

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: SnapIT
I have very little doubt that ww3 would be bush's ultimate wet dream...

No, i think most of you americans are just dumb, so you won't stop it...

No, i don't think the world learned the lesson from ww2 if so, this would be a great time to attack the US... before they make their next move...

Yes, i do believe that Bush and most americans are megalomaniacs who think the world is irrelevant... sad, but i still think it's true...

That's odd, I don't feel megalomaniacal. I truly couldn't care less, though, about you or the rest of the world. Why should I?

Attack us if you wish. Your vapor will eventually condense and fall to Earth to fertilize our crops.

My statements are assanine and stupid, just like yours. You have a propensity for stirring the pot rather than turning down the heat. C-c-can't we all just get along?

Sure, if you would admit that this war against Irak is the work of a madman...

Oh, have you got Bin Laden, have you got Hussein? nah... have you got hundreds of children with blown off limbs or worse? yup... Have you found any of all them WMD's you went to war for? the UN people were incompetent so they couldn't find them... so the world was told... have you found any? even one? they were destroying rockets that were on the limit when you attacked.. nice... like beating someone who is already laying down... I have little doubt that whoever in the region is your next target, which country it will be will depend on opinion of course...

Your strategy isn't working out that great, is it... You blame but are not subject to blame... or so you think...

This part of the world hats you with a vengance... make no mistake about it...

might != right

Sounds like you're suffering from a bit of paranoia. The American people are the most gentle and caring folks you could ever hope to meet. What you are observing is an anomaly. We got tired of being kicked around, so we kicked some butt.

You have the right to hate us, but it doesn't change anything.

As to our strategy, it appears to be working out according to plan. Everything is falling into place.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: etech
The best legal argument I have seen was the one by the UK's Attorny General.

Attorney General's Iraq response

It does argue well the justification to invade. But...
Why did we seek approval for the draft resolution to invade if it was already approved. Why did many noted international attorneys among them the folks who drew up the resolutions not agree with that interpretation... Blix said on c-span that he disagreed and he authored or assisted in authoring many treaty and related documents for the UN. I've read the resolutions... I think you posted them or was it BBD some one did I believe... anyhow, I read them and concluded the security counsel had to affirm the material breach and explicitly authorize action. (not to mention the non agreement by other members of the counsel) It seems to me that if they, the counsel members, indicate openly that the interpretation is not valid there exists equal voice against the proclaimed justification.
If the underlying premise for material breach was WMD alone and none were found then even the basis of the argued justification stands naked.
Water under the bridge, I suppose does not matter much unless you are the deposed.

the link to "many international attorneys" is either here somewhere or I have it in my quagmire of links bouncing about randomly in my computer... I am looking.

 

[Moonbeam]

I see Bush as a child with a toy. The toy just happens to be the most powerful military in the world. The impuls to play is too great.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I see Bush as a child with a toy. The toy just happens to be the most powerful military in the world. The impuls to play is too great.

Yep - life is just a big game isn't it Moonbeam Or is really just a box of chocolates?

CkG

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I see Bush as a child with a toy. The toy just happens to be the most powerful military in the world. The impuls to play is too great.

Yep - life is just a big game isn't it Moonbeam Or is really just a box of chocolates?

CkG

Nah.. life is just that period of time during which the probability of being blown up is inversely proportional to the sanity of who's eating the chocolates... Reagan ate Jelly Bellies as I remember... so we were all safe. I saw Bush at See's once. So the answer is yet to be known...

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: SnapIT
I have very little doubt that ww3 would be bush's ultimate wet dream...

No, i think most of you americans are just dumb, so you won't stop it...

No, i don't think the world learned the lesson from ww2 if so, this would be a great time to attack the US... before they make their next move...

Yes, i do believe that Bush and most americans are megalomaniacs who think the world is irrelevant... sad, but i still think it's true...

That's odd, I don't feel megalomaniacal. I truly couldn't care less, though, about you or the rest of the world. Why should I?

Attack us if you wish. Your vapor will eventually condense and fall to Earth to fertilize our crops.

My statements are assanine and stupid, just like yours. You have a propensity for stirring the pot rather than turning down the heat. C-c-can't we all just get along?

Sure, if you would admit that this war against Irak is the work of a madman...

Oh, have you got Bin Laden, have you got Hussein? nah... have you got hundreds of children with blown off limbs or worse? yup... Have you found any of all them WMD's you went to war for? the UN people were incompetent so they couldn't find them... so the world was told... have you found any? even one? they were destroying rockets that were on the limit when you attacked.. nice... like beating someone who is already laying down... I have little doubt that whoever in the region is your next target, which country it will be will depend on opinion of course...

Your strategy isn't working out that great, is it... You blame but are not subject to blame... or so you think...

This part of the world hats you with a vengance... make no mistake about it...

might != right

Sounds like you're suffering from a bit of paranoia. The American people are the most gentle and caring folks you could ever hope to meet. What you are observing is an anomaly. We got tired of being kicked around, so we kicked some butt.

You have the right to hate us, but it doesn't change anything.

As to our strategy, it appears to be working out according to plan. Everything is falling into place.

Sounds like you do not live where you live... i have lived in SoCal for several years, and what i found out about american people was that they care only if they have anything to gain from it, wheter it is emotional, sexual or monetary, it's the same... (you cannot contradict this, this is MY experience, you cannot argue about that, just a tip for your deranged mind)

Your strategy seems like the strategy of a madman, take over the middle east first... them what?

Surely you cannot suggest that the Irak war was justified if there are no WMD's?

You got tired of being bullied, that would be funny if it was not for reality, you see, in reality when you shoot someone, someones father of mother dies in pain... not that you would understand the concept of equal right to life... you make me physically sick.... hopefully you will die young and not procreate...

Some kids got bored of being pushed around, so they took their guns to school and shot everyone in sight, innocent or guilty didn't matter, how can you convict them when the president does the very same thing... tired of being bullied... yup... great concept..... if you are that stupid...