Will France cave into terrorists?

[rahvin]

True freedom of religion exists in very very few countries. You argue it's a basic human right but I would wager over 90% of the human population would disagree with that.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

In their case, there is nothing unconstitutional about the ban, because secularism, along with freedom and equality, is paramount there.

freedom of religious expression is a basic human right, to go against this IS a violation of our basic human rights.

There are limits on every freedom imaginable, religion being expecially tricky. All I am saying is that you have to take into account the society and circumstances of this. There is no one universal solution to religious problems.

At first this sounded like a really stupid idea to me, but as I learned more about France, it made sense. I would not support it here, but I won't tell the French not to do it.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: rahvin
True freedom of religion exists in very very few countries. You argue it's a basic human right but I would wager over 90% of the human population would disagree with that.

odd thing about basic human rights: most countries do their best not to allow for them;

 

[sMiLeYz]

Good. I hope the French get attacked so they'll know what it feels like. And maybe they'll be less stuck up... fat chance! ahahahhaha

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: freegeeks


what is wrong with my logic???

the French govt. wants its public schools to be secular just like we think that teaching creationism as a valid science in schools is ridiculous

So back to the US parallel. How well do you think a headscarf ban would go over in the US?

Do you think we're wrong as a country because there are schools that don't ban headscarves? And would you vote for a law to ban headscarves in public schools here?

no I don't thinkt that the US is wrong as a country. For my part you guys can do whatever you want in your school system because I'm not living in the USA. Do you think that creationism should be teached in class rooms, no problem for me. The same for the religious symbols. Most Americans don't understand the context of the ban. A lot of French Muslims agree with the ban. IMO religion has no place in a public school system. Turkey has a similar law for DECADES. They also keep religion out of public places and that is one of the reasons why they are an ally of the west. Fundamentalism had less opportunities to infiltrate.

btw: the headscarf is a religious symbol but nowhere in the Koran does it say that you have to wear 24/24

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: rahvin
True freedom of religion exists in very very few countries. You argue it's a basic human right but I would wager over 90% of the human population would disagree with that.

odd thing about basic human rights: most countries do their best not to allow for them;

I didn't say anything about countries, I said humanity in general does not believe in it. Your declaration that it is a basic human right is nothing more than YOUR belief and stating it does not make it true.

 

[EXman]

Define "cave in." The decision about head scarves was a bad one. I don't think reversing that decision is necessarily "caving in."

did you see the spanish election?

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: rahvin
True freedom of religion exists in very very few countries. You argue it's a basic human right but I would wager over 90% of the human population would disagree with that.

odd thing about basic human rights: most countries do their best not to allow for them;

I didn't say anything about countries, I said humanity in general does not believe in it. Your declaration that it is a basic human right is nothing more than YOUR belief and stating it does not make it true.

time was slavery wasn't seen as a violation of basic human rights by most, doesn't change the facts of the situation;

now, if you'd like to make an argument that freedom to practice your non-destructive religion isn't a basic human right, other than an appeal to the populous, I'd be happy to discuss it with you.