Next year and deep into 2005, the PC will rule gaming as consoles wait for their next iteration. By 2005 that 733 Mhz of the eXbox will look like a dreamcast in comparison.
I would've said the exact same thing 4 months ago. Then I got an XBox in late November.
Its easily the best sub-$200 hardware purchase I've made in the last 6 months, 'cept maybe my XP 2100+ T-bred B.Certainly not from a revenue or sales standpoint. The next generation consoles in 2005 (PS3-Cell, and XBox2) will put PC gaming rigs to shame; they'll cross-over even further into areas of functionality historically reserved for the PC. Of course there'll still be the same reasons for owning both (b/c of the different game genres), but if you're looking from a pure technology, visuals and features standpoint; it'll be no contest. In the meantime, console owners will just have to make-do with games that implement more advanced features consistently than current PC games. (how many DX8-only games have you seen on the PC?).
Of course not from a sales or revenue standpoint. Just Graphics superiority for the next TWO years.Originally posted by: chizow
I would've said the exact same thing 4 months ago. Then I got an XBox in late November.
Certainly not from a revenue or sales standpoint. The next generation consoles in 2005 (PS3-Cell, and XBox2) will put PC gaming rigs to shame; they'll cross-over even further into areas of functionality historically reserved for the PC. Of course there'll still be the same reasons for owning both (b/c of the different game genres), but if you're looking from a pure technology, visuals and features standpoint; it'll be no contest. In the meantime, console owners will just have to make-do with games that implement more advanced features consistently than current PC games. (how many DX8-only games have you seen on the PC?).
Chiz
I don't have a problem with the PC's implementation of SC's controls, I just find a gamepad to be much more intuitive and flexible. Its the same problem any 3rd person game runs into on the PC that introduces more than 2-axis for control and movement, point-of-view and degree of speed. Look at any flight sim or mech sim. People prefer joysticks b/c they naturally provide 2-axis movement (X,Y) but also introduce a Z-axis (torso twist in MW or roll in a flight sim). Introduce another variable such as speed/throttle (1-0 on the keyboard or analog presses of a button compared to a throttle) and you quickly see the limitations of a mouse and keyboard set-up. Again, the XBox's implementation takes all of these factors into account using the analog sticks.
It depends on what type of game and the level of precision required for controls. Look at a game like MechAssault. You'd never see it on the PC b/c of its fast-paced nature. You can play MW4:Mercs in 3rd person, but it only comes close if you use a 3-axis joystick with a throttle (I use a Sidewinder FF Pro2), and it still doesn't play as fast and frenetically as MechAssault.
As for force feedback, total number and quality of buttons, tactile feel of the trigger button, voice chat, there's no contest either. Or were you referring to the size for those with small hands? There's the Controller-S for the tiny-hand crowd.I have an MX700 and a Logitech elite wireless keyboard. The fact you're mapping everything to your MX700 tells me your finger leaves the trigger or you're curling your hand up in awkward positions to access poorly placed buttons. My finger never leaves the trigger.......in any game.
We'll see about that.
I fully expect to see CGI-quality game graphics on a console before a PC. Hardware capabilities don't mean anything, you should know that. If you don't, there's no point in arguing further with you.I dont want to start an arguement about controllers, but the GC controller is sheer brillience. Comfortable, easy to use, natural feel. Its not a cheap plastic thing. The GC aint for small hands either, its a halfway thing, so its good for small and large hands(like me).Originally posted by: chizow
As for the GC controller being the best bar none. You gotta be kidding me. Even die-hard GC fans acknowledge the short-comings of the GC controller. Its cheap plastic everywhere, with plastic analog sticks with what? 16 directional movements? XBox analog sticks are sturdy rubber, calibrated much tighter, and offer more accurate speed and directional control. Plus, they double as buttons.
I have an MX700 and a Logitech elite wireless keyboard. The fact you're mapping everything to your MX700 tells me your finger leaves the trigger or you're curling your hand up in awkward positions to access poorly placed buttons. My finger never leaves the trigger.......in any game.
We'll see about that.
Chiz
Now thats an entertainment system.
Originally posted by: chizow
:Q You guys'll be huddled in a corner crying if you play Doom3 on that set-up!!! :Q
Chiz
Oh, and I suppose the majority of X-Box users will be running the game at 1024 x 768? Last time I checked standard TVs don't run at that resolution while 15" dime-a-dozen monitors most certainly do.
That may be partially true but not for refresh rates. A low refresh rate blows, no matter what the situation.
It looks like ass on the console too and in fact it's worse because in addition you have a low refresh rate to deal with.
Is that supposed to impress me? You can get a 21" Sony CPD-G520 that does 2048 x 1536 @ 75Hz with 0.24mm dot pitch for ~$600 on pricewatch.
That doesn't help your cause at all.
So 1024 x 768 is the emerging standard resolution on consoles? Welcome to the year 1999 on the PC.
I could build a superior gaming rig with absolutely no problems at all using a budget like that, with a 21" monitor to boot.
A lot less.
Almost all of them.
And how many new games can the X-Box run at that resolution? For a start your HDTV doesn't even support such a resolution. Secondly I don't buy the comments about the X-Box already running all games at such a resolution and simply scaling everything down for lower class TVs. Performance like that doesn't come for free on any system, especially not on the X-Box's GPU which is inferior in terms of performance to a lot of current PC GPUs available. I'll put my Radeon 9700 Pro against the X-Box's GPU any day of the week.
It's equal but the console is actually rendering less pixels? Riiiiight.
So it looks like another half-assed port. Again that doesn't constitute console superiority.
To some certain extent you can't but for the most part you can. Yes it's streamlined but standard PC architecture isn't as crippled as you make it out to be. In fact, it's quite superior, especially after you factor in clock speed, memory bandwidth and GPU advantage. An X-Box's CPU might be faster than a standard P3 @ 733 MHz but it is not faster than a 3.06/3000+ GHz.
And what do the same reviews say about the X-Box's performance?
See above; I'd like to see where you got your information from. Are you even able to bring up a framerate counter on the X-Box? If not how the hell do you even know how fast it's running?
No, what I mean is that you're proclaiming console controller superiority by using one game as your example whereas I gave you entire genres that are better using standard mouse/keyboard/joystick options on the PC.
The engine base for UT2k3, U2, SC and Deus Ex 2? 4 games all out on PC, 2 mainly out on PC. SC made for the XBox? (I think someone talked about it being "made" for XBox, just saying the engine isn't really an XBox engine)
still exist, but the graphics engine has been completly re-written to cater for Deus Ex2, as has the physics engine(now integrates the havok physics engine.)
HOWEVER there if a PLACE for completely MINDLESS shooter fun - pure reflex action like Serious Sam . . . I am kind of looking forward to SS, Final Edition (for $19.95, no more) and see what tweaks Croateam has made to their game's engine.Originally posted by: sandorski
I'll somewhat agree. What I mean by "dead" is that games like Unreal/Quake/Doom have been done too many times. At one time they were great, but compared to MOHAA and Half Life they seem to be more of the same. Perhaps I'm just tired of "shoot anything that moves" game types. I certainly am waiting for DNF, it'll be nice to get some humour again.
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