Will Dish network go under ?

Modelworks

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Dish network has a serious problem. They lost against tivo and will have to shut down all DVR units if they lose the appeal. While they can replace the boxes with new ones, I doubt many customers are going to want to wait the 1-2 years it will take to release one, not to mention get them shipped, installed, etc.

I used dish for awhile and I really liked their approach to customers and the Charlie chats they had. They are kind of the underdog of the satellite tv up against directv who has hughes to back them . If they can't resolve this then I can easily see directv taking over.



http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/tech/Dish-Network-May-Turn-Off-DVRs-93405054.html

Bad news for Dish network DVR owners: your favorite shows could go un-recorded if the company decides to shut down millions of DVRs as part of a patent dispute with TiVo.
Dish Network's CEO told analysts Monday that if the company loses a patent-infringment lawsuit with TiVo, it is prepared to shut down the boxes nationwide. That way it can avoid paying TiVo licensing fees of $2-3 per subscriber.
TiVo sued Dish back in 2004 becuase its boxes use a live-TV pause and rewind functionality that TiVo invented. TiVo says the company must pay to use that technology because it owns the patents on it.

Judges agreed with TiVo in March, and since then Dish has been asking for an appeals court to review the case. So far a reversal isn't looking good.
An estimated 7.3 million DVRs could stop working if Dish decides to turn them off. The company would then have to swap out the boxes with DVRs that use a different technology. It could end up costing Dish $3 billion dollars.
 

ChAoTiCpInOy

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Dish wouldn't let that happen. They would pay to license it before they would shut down the DVR capabilities.
 

Aikouka

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Makes me wonder... how is pausing or rewinding live TV part of a patent? It's like saying "we invented caching!"
 

Modelworks

Lifer
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Makes me wonder... how is pausing or rewinding live TV part of a patent? It's like saying "we invented caching!"

I have wondered about that too as have many others.

Here is what the fight is over:
Tivo patent infringed:
A process for the simultaneous storage and play back of multimedia data,
comprising the steps of:
[1] providing a physical data source, wherein said physical
data source accepts broadcast data from an input device,
parses video and audio data from said broadcast data, and
temporarily stores said video and audio data;
[2] providing a source object, wherein said source object
extracts video and audio data from said physical data
source;
[3] providing a transform object, wherein said transform
object stores and retrieves data streams onto a storage
device;
[4] wherein said source object obtains a buffer from said
transform object, said source object converts video data into
data streams and fills said buffer with said streams;
[5] wherein said source object is automatically flow
controlled by said transform object;
[6] providing a sink object, wherein said sink object obtains
data stream buffers from said transform object and outputs
said streams to a video and audio decoder;
[7] wherein said decoder converts said streams into display
signals and sends said signals to a display;
[8] wherein said sink object is automatically flow controlled
by said transform object;
[9] providing a control object, wherein said control object
receives commands from a user, said commands control the
flow of the broadcast data through the system; and
[10] wherein said control object sends flow command events
to said source, transform, and sink objects.



EchoStar contends that it undertook a Herculean effort in redesigning the DVR
software in its receivers so that it would no longer infringe the software claims in TiVo’s
patent. Primarily, EchoStar claims that it removed at least two key infringing elements
from the software in its Broadcom series receivers: video and audio data parsing, and
automatic flow control. Regarding the first modification, EchoStar claims that it
eliminated the parsing feature which was useful in creating an index of “start codes” of
the audio and video data. That index enabled “trick play” operations. The new
EchoStar DVR software is therefore “indexless” and performs those operations through
a “brute-force” method, utilizing average frame rate statistics to estimate the location of
any video data. With regard to the second modification, EchoStar claims that its earlier
software made use of a “record buffer” in addition to a pool of ten transport buffers. The
record buffer acted as intermediate storage for data being written to the hard drive when
each of the ten transport buffers was full. The record buffer also performed a “blocking”
function whereby data transfer from the transport buffers would be blocked until the
successful transfer of record buffer data to the hard drive. EchoStar claims that it
removed the record buffer and redesigned its software to transfer data directly from the
transport buffers to the hard drive.



Defendants are hereby FURTHER ORDERED to, within thirty (30) days of
the issuance of this order, disable the DVR functionality (i.e., disable all
storage to and playback from a hard disk drive of television data) in all but
192,708 units of the Infringing Products that have been placed with an end
user or subscriber. The DVR functionality, i.e., disable all storage to and
playback from a hard disk drive of television data) [sic] shall not be
enabled in any new placements of the Infringing Products.

Defendants are hereby FURTHER ORDERED immediately to recall and
retrieve from their distributors and retailers the Infringing Products that
have not yet entered the stream of commerce or are still in the possession
of Defendants’ distributors and retailers.
 

Zargon

Lifer
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Makes me wonder... how is pausing or rewinding live TV part of a patent? It's like saying "we invented caching!"

yeah

I blame apple

they seem to be the king of retarded tech patents

our patent law is total bs.
 

vi edit

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Makes me wonder... how is pausing or rewinding live TV part of a patent? It's like saying "we invented caching!"

And why aren't the Cable companies DVR's part of the suit and Direct TV?
 

nsafreak

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Lots of cable companies have signed contracts to have Tivo either develop set top boxes for their systems or software for existing boxes. DirecTV also has a set top box being developed by Tivo although they wouldn't have to have that really. They also have the ReplayTV patent portfolio and I'm reasonably certain Tivo doesn't want to open that can of worms.
 

SlickSnake

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While it's bad for the consumer if they do go under or merge, I sure won't miss them if they go. I could hire brain dead monkeys to do installs and answer the phone on service and billing calls better than they do.

1 rated customer service awards my inflamed red monkey butt.



http://www.antimonkeybutt.com/
 

zerocool84

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I had Dish Network for 5 years and really like them but now have FiOS. Dish's DVR was a good DVR and it sucks they lost.