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dank69

Lifer
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The hammer needs to fall on conservative media or any media that is going to promote conspiracy theories, lies and alt-realities.

Bring back the fairness doctrine. Then begin leveling lawsuits against these companies that violate the doctrine. It doesn't violate 1A, just holds you accountable for lying to people.
Books are labeled fiction and non-fiction. Media needs the same thing.
 
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trenchfoot

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You offer them an alternative party. A third party will form and it will probably be a little conservative and a little liberal. What it won’t be is crazy Republican or democrat. I don’t know how it happened or when I just know that history tells us that it does happen.


It's like adult parents disowning their incorrigible drug addled children and going off to start a new family while still trying to convince their wayward ones to come back to reality.
 

Moonbeam

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Bringing back the fairness doctrine will drive FOX close to or out of business, cripple the Repub party's propaganda spin machine and leave the base of the party stunned by the lack of lies, misinformation and hate filled talking points that they rely on to, among other things, respond to the criticisms being levied against them.

Of course, the party faithful will find other ways to receive their marching orders and talking points but it sure would be nice witnessing FOX and other conservative propaganda outlets telling the truth most of the time.
I think this would be the natural solution to the problem we see in cult behavior, to prevent the cult from spreading it's mental illness via playing on paranoia by limiting news to facts rather than an attempt to provoke an emotional reaction but as you predict, I think the purveyors will just find another way. What this tells me is that the problem is not in the lies themselves, they can be anything, but in what I would call a fact, that there is within people a need to believe. In short, in my opinion, people don't so much have a gullibility problem they fall pray to, but that they actually want to be lied to, that what they really crave is the feeling of being OK. That is where both the truth and the lie is. They are OK but they neither know it nor feel it inwardly and crave outside validation, some imaginary authority do god to tell them they are. What we crave is to feel special, entitled, and we don't much care how we get it. Even being deplorable is just fine if someone else is telling us that being deplorable is a good thing, if all of 'us true believers' are the real people.

Nobody wants to know how emotionally needy they are, how dependent they are on others for self confidence, how badly we seek validation, and especially how hollow we are inside, how vacuous and empty our lives really are lacking the one and only thing of real value there is, real self respect. Nobody even has any idea what that is.

So, in my opinion, what America needs is psychological education but because nobody wants to see the hole within themselves and feel the pain of separation and internal division or give up their attachment to the phony ego they feel so good about, thin basic kind of self awareness will remain hidden, known only to those who can't live without it. There are always those who will be fixated on the mystery of the Matrix for use of a modern metaphor.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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I think this would be the natural solution to the problem we see in cult behavior, to prevent the cult from spreading it's mental illness via playing on paranoia by limiting news to facts rather than an attempt to provoke an emotional reaction but as you predict, I think the purveyors will just find another way. What this tells me is that the problem is not in the lies themselves, they can be anything, but in what I would call a fact, that there is within people a need to believe. In short, in my opinion, people don't so much have a gullibility problem they fall pray to, but that they actually want to be lied to, that what they really crave is the feeling of being OK. That is where both the truth and the lie is. They are OK but they neither know it nor feel it inwardly and crave outside validation, some imaginary authority do god to tell them they are. What we crave is to feel special, entitled, and we don't much care how we get it. Even being deplorable is just fine if someone else is telling us that being deplorable is a good thing, if all of 'us true believers' are the real people.

Nobody wants to know how emotionally needy they are, how dependent they are on others for self confidence, how badly we seek validation, and especially how hollow we are inside, how vacuous and empty our lives really are lacking the one and only thing of real value there is, real self respect. Nobody even has any idea what that is.

So, in my opinion, what America needs is psychological education but because nobody wants to see the hole within themselves and feel the pain of separation and internal division or give up their attachment to the phony ego they feel so good about, thin basic kind of self awareness will remain hidden, known only to those who can't live without it. There are always those who will be fixated on the mystery of the Matrix for use of a modern metaphor.
Aaaaaargh.
So.
Whats the Effen solution?
Besides signing up for street corner priest duty with a sign “LOOK AT YOUR OWN REFLECTION MAN”
?
 

Moonbeam

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Aaaaaargh.
So.
Whats the Effen solution?
Besides signing up for street corner priest duty with a sign “LOOK AT YOUR OWN REFLECTION MAN”
?
Well, since you asked nicely I will give you my opinion:

You may have insufficient Aaaaaargh here. You may need it more like this:

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!

The issue is that in order to find one must seek and seek with deep passion, but, and here's the catch, there is no solution, no answer. So to seek is completely futile. But you have to get to the end of ones rope in order to really let go. Otherwise it's just plain old Aaaaaargh. This is the point you have to get to for grace, enlightenment., realization, whatever you want to call it to happen. I call it surrender or death of the ego, hopelessness so complete that hope is completely abandoned.

Then comes the big surprise. There was no answer because everything is absolutely perfect as it is and there was never any question. Life is good!

As I said, the answer is psychological education. It can change one's perspective. It is unexamined perspectives, the unconscious assumption they are reality, that forms our mental prison. The mind that is empty has no perspective except reality itself.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Well, since you asked nicely I will give you my opinion:

You may have insufficient Aaaaaargh here. You may need it more like this:

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!

The issue is that in order to find one must seek and seek with deep passion, but, and here's the catch, there is no solution, no answer. So to seek is completely futile. But you have to get to the end of ones rope in order to really let go. Otherwise it's just plain old Aaaaaargh. This is the point you have to get to for grace, enlightenment., realization, whatever you want to call it to happen. I call it surrender or death of the ego, hopelessness so complete that hope is completely abandoned.

Then comes the big surprise. There was no answer because everything is absolutely perfect as it is and there was never any question. Life is good!

As I said, the answer is psychological education. It can change one's perspective. It is unexamined perspectives, the unconscious assumption they are reality, that forms our mental prison. The mind that is empty has no perspective except reality itself.

So you wanna add a mandatory psych class to the high school curriculum? As you say yourself, I you aint looking, you probably wont find anything, it sticks much deeper than that.
You wanna change the whole of education and society, the way people raise their children, make them curious about that thing inside themselves.
Ok.
Put forth a plan to achieve that?
I mean we can talk about utopia, just as long as we agree that is what it is. The grass may be greener on the moon but if you dont know how to build rockets... it matters little.
Or.
Step one?