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Will CREATIVE GigaWorks S750 be enough for a large board room?

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Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
No, actually in the mixer.

Hmm, looks like i'll need to play around with settings some. I had thought I noticed some distortion.

Thanks for the enlightening, and also for helping me pick these so many months ago (not sure if you remember helping back then or not).

So I should have my bass and treble at full in the mixer then correct? Just change them on the control pod instead right?

You wouldn't hear any distortion from such a conversion. And truth be told, 99% of the material you likely listen to would not be affected by the resampling at all since practically everything prerecorded is 16bit resolution or lower to begin with. Playing a 16bit audio CD at 16bit is not downsampling.
 
I encode the music I listen to in MP3 VBR. I don't know if that would make it any better or not.

Hey, Nebor, you might try changing it in the mixer. It looks like you'll have to trade-off the overall quality, but maybe the boost in power will be worth it? Might be something to try at the least.

The distortion I noticed most was when I played Diablo 2, some sounds distorted badly, and sometimes when watching tv on my Winfast TV2000 Expert. So it was probably partly the sources.
 
Upon further reviewing Nebor's comments. I don't know what he is talking about. Adjusting the bass/treble would not cause any resampling at all. Neither the Audigy 2 nor ZS effects engines would resample the audio. And the dreaded "kmixer" does not downsample bitdepths ever, it only effects sampling rates and possibly automatically upsamples bit depths to the highest level supported by the card. So once again it appears Nebor is just spouting random stuff he's seen on the internet trying to look smart, while not actually fully researching what it is he is talking about, and getting the information correct.
 
Originally posted by: Pariah
Upon further reviewing Nebor's comments. I don't know what he is talking about. Adjusting the bass/treble would not cause any resampling at all. Neither the Audigy 2 nor ZS effects engines would resample the audio. And the dreaded "kmixer" does not downsample bitdepths ever, it only effects sampling rates and possibly automatically upsamples bit depths to the highest level supported by the card. So once again it appears Nebor is just spouting random stuff he's seen on the internet trying to look smart, while not actually fully researching what it is he is talking about, and getting the information correct.

I didn't believe it resampled either until I was confronted with hard facts by someone who really knew what they were doing. They tested it by using the l/r output of the Audigy into the line in of an M-Audio revolution for recording. They tried a lot of different settings, and determined that just about everything you do causes downsampling in the output from 24-bit\96khz to 16-bit\48khz .

On a personal note Pariah, quit trying to start fights with me, you couldn't really expect to remain audio queen forever.
 
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
I encode the music I listen to in MP3 VBR. I don't know if that would make it any better or not.

Hey, Nebor, you might try changing it in the mixer. It looks like you'll have to trade-off the overall quality, but maybe the boost in power will be worth it? Might be something to try at the least.

The distortion I noticed most was when I played Diablo 2, some sounds distorted badly, and sometimes when watching tv on my Winfast TV2000 Expert. So it was probably partly the sources.

Try changing what in the mixer? The master volume? I've tried it at 100%, it just doesn't make that big of a difference.

The distortion your describing does sound like a source problem. I noticed distortion at high volumes with CD audio and DVDs.
 
Originally posted by: Pariah
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
No, actually in the mixer.

Hmm, looks like i'll need to play around with settings some. I had thought I noticed some distortion.

Thanks for the enlightening, and also for helping me pick these so many months ago (not sure if you remember helping back then or not).

So I should have my bass and treble at full in the mixer then correct? Just change them on the control pod instead right?

You wouldn't hear any distortion from such a conversion. And truth be told, 99% of the material you likely listen to would not be affected by the resampling at all since practically everything prerecorded is 16bit resolution or lower to begin with. Playing a 16bit audio CD at 16bit is not downsampling.

Obviously there wouldn't be downsampling from CD audio, since it's 16-bit to start with. We all know the Audigy actually upsamples from 16-bit\44.1khz to 16-bit\48khz for final output anyways (which does cause some loss in quality.) The problem occurs when you listen to DVDs, be they DD, DTS, or DVD-Audio, and your 24-bit sound is downsampled to 16-bit.
 
The original Audigy had the issue of downsampling if any effects were enabled. The Audigy 2 would automatically upsample when effects were processed and then downsample back to the original, and the Audigy 2 ZS does no resampling at all unless the audio gets sent through the KMixer. If you're using the digital out, than everything has to be resampled to either 48KHz or 96KHz since those are the only sampling rates Creative cards support. If using analog out, it's a non-issue.

Oh, and on a personal note, after reading this gem you posted, I don't know why anyone would ever listen to anything you have to say about audio quality:

"I've decided that I'm without the golden ears. My Gigaworks sound pretty much like my old altec lansings, and like my friend's logitechs. My HD600s sound pretty much like the Triports, which sound pretty much like some 9 year old Aiwa headphones from Best Buy. My Denon stereo w/ mission speakers sounds just like the Panasonic bookshelf system I got from Best Buy for $130 for my garage.

I think the only quality I can appreciate is volume. That's why I freakin' hate these gigaworks, they're anemic. Anyways, after months of poopooing on people for buying Logitech speakers, I thought I'd just air the fact that all this stuff I've bought is out of snobbery by proxy."



Priceless. I give you points for honesty, but not much else.
 
Edit: The fact that I don't find a huge difference between the sound of various things has no bearing on my technical knowledge of the components.

By the way, I'm a race car in the red right now.
 
Nebor, question about your Gigaworks and low volume. So are you're getting low volume in movies only? Are the speakers loud enough in music and games? If so, what software are you using for DVD playback? PowerDVD or WinDvD? Do you have the full audio packs for either player that supports 5.1 or 7.1 sounds? For me PowerDVD has extremely low volume with my Z680 if I just use stereo analog playback because I just have the OEM version without the full audio pack that supports 5.1. The volume level about more than doubles when I use SPDIF optical out since that supports 5.1.

WinDVD I get the same loud volume regardless of analog or digital since I have the full version with the complete 5.1 audio pack. Just curious since PowerDVD or WinDvD that most people have is just crippled OEM version that they got with their DVD drive or soundcard and doesn't have the full audio pack.
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
Edit: The fact that I don't find a huge difference between the sound of various things has no bearing on my technical knowledge of the components.

By the way, I'm a race car in the red right now.

Your technical knowledge? Like when you were telling people about the bit perfect analog capabilities of sound cards? Your technical knowledge on the subject is as poor as your hearing. By using buzz words you've been able to fool some of the less knowledgable people on the boards, but not anyone who actually has hearing and knows a decent amount about the field. Your piss poor attitude towards the newbies in audio leaves much to be desired as well. I have not seen anyone else on this board intentionally posting bs just to see if they can sucker someone else into agreeing and then laughing behind their back about it or constantly name calling people who don't agree with your opinion. There is no place at all on these boards for the disrespect you repeatedly display towards others just trying to get basic information without being made to look stupid in the process and that's why you have been singled out in particular.
 
Originally posted by: Pariah
Originally posted by: Nebor
Edit: The fact that I don't find a huge difference between the sound of various things has no bearing on my technical knowledge of the components.

By the way, I'm a race car in the red right now.

Your technical knowledge? Like when you were telling people about the bit perfect analog capabilities of sound cards? Your technical knowledge on the subject is as poor as your hearing. By using buzz words you've been able to fool some of the less knowledgable people on the boards, but not anyone who actually has hearing and knows a decent amount about the field. Your piss poor attitude towards the newbies in audio leaves much to be desired as well. I have not seen anyone else on this board intentionally posting bs just to see if they can sucker someone else into agreeing and then laughing behind their back about it or constantly name calling people who don't agree with your opinion. There is no place at all on these boards for the disrespect you repeatedly display towards others just trying to get basic information without being made to look stupid in the process.

You sound like Hardwarrior, someone without a sense of humor. If you'll kinda scroll up a bit, you'll see that someone thanked me for my help. I get plenty of thanks here, and do my best to help people, usually with a twist of humor. I don't try to demean people or make them feel stupid, no one can know everything.

But ya know what, you go ahead and field all the sound questions from now on. I hope you're able to dedicate as much time as I have to trying to help people here. Take a look at all the recent audio threads, I'm usually one of the first, and the last to post, trying to help people solve their problems or make a decision. Well if you can do that job SO much better, then have at it. I don't need this kind of treatment, I don't deserve it, for trying to help people.
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
The Gigaworks simply are not loud enough for movies. When I watch an action movie, I want to feel like I'm there. I want to hear explosions around me, deafening gun shots, etc. The gigaworks simply can't deliver that. I'm not sure that any multimedia speakers can.

the klipsch ultras rock the gigaworks in terms of movies, producing unsurpassed low-freqencies. they're about the same in the mids and highs, only a slight edge goes to the gigas in upper end frequencies. if movies is what you're looking for, ultras are it. i've used them both extensively, and the margin between their sats is very small compared to difference in their subs. the ultra sub just rocks it - talk about explosions...i use them in my 20x20 room, and my room shakes. the sub was designed by klipsch's HT R&R, and it has been said it is comparable to the RS10, with slightly less build quality. the neighbors can hear it. it's fantastic. do yourself a favor, and get an audigy 2zs to pair them up with...you won't regret it.
 
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