Will Bush get Bin Laden before Nov 4?

[sportage]

If you watch the nightly news lately, especially the last month, you hear "hints"
of ?something? going on over in Pakistan, and secret US military (or CIA) forces.
Every once in a while they play some snippet on the news of happenings in Pakistan
between the US and covert operations.
I believe Bush is trying to get Bin Laden by Nov 8th US elections.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26633765/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26633748/

There was another story, that I can?t find now, about an attack on some
terrorist in Pakistan where they suspected Bin Laden was present.
It turned out he was not. That story was on the news about 2 or 3 weeks ago.

Not sure how to read this sudden "surged" attempt to find and capture or kill
Bin Laden. It appears not to involve the all out military so much, but
rather covert secret US forces. CIA?

It would be great to finally get the snake, but I question the timing of this all out attempt.
And more so, how Mccain would play it, if it were to happen.
Just watch closely in the next weeks for clues that something is up.
All you will hear are little bites and snippets about Pakistan,
like a puzzle with missing pieces.
Stories soon buried by US political election news.
Interesting?

 

[jpeyton]

Bin Laden is already dead, or in one of our secret prisons.

At this point, his value is merely as a bogey-man for the GOP to scare their simple-minded base into voting for them.

 

[sportage]

You can not argue that it would be a huge boost for Bush/Mccain to hold up Bin Laden's severed head, and Mccain claiming "he" (Mccain) was involved all along with it.

I just wonder "if" they would actually lie and claim to have killed Bin Laden,
to get votes, without concrete proof of his death, before November.
Especially if they are going all out to make it happen, and it doesn?t.
I wouldn?t put it past them (Bush/Mccain).

PS. All I'm saying is don't be surprised if something with Bin Laden doesn't become front
issue in the coming weeks, after the Palin hoopla fades out.

 

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Bin Laden is already dead, or in one of our secret prisons.

At this point, his value is merely as a bogey-man for the GOP to scare their simple-minded base into voting for them.

so... Sarcasm or am I going to have to ask for evidence?

 

[Craig234]

The evidence I see right now is the opposite, that the Bush administration is trying to change the message that Osama bin Laden doesn't matter.

Since they didn't catch him, the narrative is becoming that the guy they did catch, the 'mastermind', is the only guy that matters, and they got him.

Bush issued a fairly lengthy statement on 9/11 hours ago, with a big 'fact sheet on 9/11', and it *doesn't even have the name Osama bin Laden in it anywhere*.

It does have the name of the '9/11 mastermind' and talk about how many people they did capture.

 

[sportage]

Well speaking of the devil.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26652785/

I swear I didn't see this mornings article before my post. hmmm

 

[Double Trouble]

Dude, you need a bigger tinfoil hat. Yeah, it's perfectly easy to believe some grand conspiracy where the GOP could get Bin Laden at any time, but only wants to try now because it might in some way reflect positively on McCain, thus giving him a few more votes. I'm sure Bush didn't really want to catch him, he just knows it's politically convenient to do it now. Brilliant!

Or, perhaps you could think rationally and realize that the US has made the decision to start taking more actions in that area of Pakistan now that Musharraf has resigned and there's an opportunity to take action. Essentially Pakistan is powerless to act in that region, and the US is taking steps to go after the bad guys. Let Pakistan bitch and moan about their territory all they want, but if they can't handle going after the bad guys, someone has to.

I'd love to see Bin Laden captured, I don't care if it's before or after the election.

 

[StageLeft]

No, it won't happen.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Bin Laden is already dead, or in one of our secret prisons.

At this point, his value is merely as a bogey-man for the GOP to scare their simple-minded base into voting for them.

Speaking of simple minded people. At least you're starting your 9/11 material off well.

 

[Dari]

The election is November 4, 2008.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Dari
The election is November 4, 2008.

Beat me to it!

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: sportage
Well speaking of the devil.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26652785/

I swear I didn't see this mornings article before my post. hmmm

Didn't the Bush/McCain faithful rip Obama earlier this year for suggesting he would take actions just like this? Said it proved how naive and inexperienced he was? Guess they were against it before they were for it.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Bin Laden is already dead, or in one of our secret prisons.

At this point, his value is merely as a bogey-man for the GOP to scare their simple-minded base into voting for them.

That's all bin Laden has ever been since 9/12/2001. He was a bogeyman used to excuse BushCo malfeasance and to fuel Republican election fear-mongering.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Dari
The election is November 4, 2008.

Damnit! You ruined his plan.

It was like those phone calls that go out to remind voters to vote giving them the wrong election day.

He figured by using the wrong date Bush would roll out Osama on Nov. 6 with a big smile on his face thinking he just won the election for McCain.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Bin Laden is already dead, or in one of our secret prisons.

At this point, his value is merely as a bogey-man for the GOP to scare their simple-minded base into voting for them.

so... Sarcasm or am I going to have to ask for evidence?

Evidence that the GOP base is simple minded? Have you actually read any threads in this forum?

 

[sammyunltd]

They will probably associate Obama with Bin Laden.

McCain : "I can assure you, American people, that I, as POTUS, will follow OBAMA Bin Laden... Oops! Osama Bin Laden, to the gates of hell".

 

[LumbergTech]

this same exact type of rumor came up during the kerry/bush election

bogus

 

[sandorski]

If there is indeed an increased push to get Bin Laden, it's not to help out McCain. It's so that future summaries of the Bush Presidency are not, "Total Douche"

 

[UNCjigga]

I think I heard something about a secret operation to lure Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri to a site on the Iran/Iraq border, where CIA operatives will spring up and attack/detain them, allowing the Bush/McCain administration to claim the Iraq war was justified, that Al Qaeda was in Iraq before the war, and giving McCain a pretext to invade Iran next January. Score!

 

[compuwiz1]

I doubt we'll get OBL before Nov 8th for two reasons:

1. I believe OBL is already dead.

2. We (USA) are not allowed to be in Pakistan with our troops. So, I guess if we are not welcome, we can't come play and bring all of our wonderful toys.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The decision has been made that we are not going to be hamstrung by Pakistan's border.

We pussy footed along enough playing by their rules, now they can play by ours.

The same happened in Vietnam when the river was no longer considered to be sacred.

You go after the enemy where they run to, not stopping for a line on paper.

 

[ranmaniac]

So Bush has been saving Bin Laden's dead body in Cheney's freezer only to put him out on display just in time for the election in November?

 

[badnewcastle]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Bin Laden is already dead, or in one of our secret prisons.

At this point, his value is merely as a bogey-man for the GOP to scare their simple-minded base into voting for them.

so... Sarcasm or am I going to have to ask for evidence?

Evidence that the GOP base is simple minded? Have you actually read any threads in this forum?

So all GOP is simple minded, could make arguments the other for the other side too... (comment deleted by Moderator)

I would argue that it would do more good for the GOP to have him in their hands. That way we could claim a victory in the war on terror that the libs can't dispute, since they seem to think we are still loosing in Iraq.

I think the incursions into Pakistan have less to do with getting Bin Laden and more to do with rounding up as many terrorists as possible.

You have a PM

Fern
AnandTech P&N Moderator

 

[heyheybooboo]

Topic: Will Bush get Bin Laden before Nov 8?

Every body knows where Osama is ...

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
The decision has been made that we are not going to be hamstrung by Pakistan's border.

We pussy footed along enough playing by their rules, now they can play by ours.

The same happened in Vietnam when the river was no longer considered to be sacred.

You go after the enemy where they run to, not stopping for a line on paper.

It's nice to be so powerful that all the assumptions are that you're justified.

Where was someone to attack Kansas during Vietnam, on the basis that it was *us* totally in the wrong, having first backed French colonization of the Vietnamese people, and when the Vietnamese defended themselves and drove the French out, we - having split their country in half and stolen one half under our puppet, and even that limited only because another superpower restricted our action - attacked that nation of farmers viciously, killing 2 million, dropping chemical weapons, and more bombs than in all of WWII

And all for no good reason, as the war's architect, McNamara, later determined.

And you're self righteously talking about our right to be more aggressive, because you are blinded to the lack of justice of the whole war, assuming that we were in the right.

And that's how atrocities keep happening again and again. We really should not have any questions how the Gerrman people could have let Hitler do what he did.