Will a significant number of Democrats vote for Dr. Paul in the 2012 GOP primary?

[Jaskalas]

Fascism is a far right ideology associated with nationalism and militarism. I think you're more likely to find fascists in the republican party.

People who want limited government are found in the Republican Party.

The opposite is true of the Democrats, they seek centralized planning and consolidation of power. Nothing more fascist than that, their grand utopian state.

 

[Arkaign]

People who want limited government are found in the Republican Party.

The opposite is true of the Democrats, they seek centralized planning and consolidation of power. Nothing more fascist than that, their grand utopian state.

This is the hype that the Republican party wants you to believe, but they're FOS at the party level. I don't doubt that millions of well-meaning Republican voters believe they're supporting 'smaller' gov't, but it's a flat-out lie.

Republican party and the Democratic party both want a corporatist state, which at it's more aggressive levels I would indeed call fascist. Mussollini style.

Just look at the actions of the last two administrations though. Republicans can't just turn around and dismiss GWB, they overwhelmingly supported him. During his era was when I permanently cut ties with the GOP, despite being a lifelong conservative. Why? Because Republicans are about as conservative as the Democrats, they're the samn god-damned thing because they're bought by the same interests.

Do you wonder why we keep seeing the exact same cadre of wall street types as financial advisors and men of high appointment from Reagan to Bush Sr. to Clinton to GWB to Obama?

The last Republican administration, with 6 of the 8 years having control of congress as well, grew the goverment and bureaucracy more than any previous administration, even FDR. Wanton foreign spending, often for no clear goal other than constantly moving goalposts, wanton creation of new federal agencies, just a terrible mess.

Obama is the exact clone of the GWB admin, and that should send an eerie message to everyone, but people are slow to wake up.

I think a lot of people also realize that the ~6T spent so far in the two pointless wars has contributed massively to the national debt. The subsidiary costs are even higher when you start calculating the damage to our economy in indirect means.

It may well prove to be a hole that's insurmountable, because both parties are absolutely and completely corrupt to the core. They will only pursue their self-interest, and the more people they can fool into games of team (R) vs. team (D) the longer they can get away with their bullshit.

It really is the deckchairs on the titanic though.

RIP USA ...... 1776-2018

 

[a777pilot]

This thread and question makes no sense at all.

What Mr. Paul believes in is antithetical to what the modern Democrat Party believes.

 

[Arkaign]

This thread and question makes no sense at all.

What Mr. Paul believes in is antithetical to what the modern Democrat Party believes.

That should read : "What Mr. Paul believes in is antithetical to what the modern Republican and Democratic parties believe"

Don't be fooled that there is any real difference other than soundbites and hype.

 

[a777pilot]

That should read : "What Mr. Paul believes in is antithetical to what the modern Republican and Democratic parties believe"

Don't be fooled that there is any real difference other than soundbites and hype.

I said what is and there's no changing it. The Republicans , yes, are not too far behind the control freaks of the Democrat party, but they have not crossed the Rubicon ......yet, but they are on the edge looking across the river.

 

[Lemon law]

I wonder if its even legal by anand tech rules to start a thread out the way our OP did?

As anarchist420 asks, " Will a significant number of Democrats vote for Dr. Paul in the 2012 GOP primary? " As our OP somehow pretends he knows nothing and its a question this forum can definitively answer when its sheer speculation from beginning to end.

But still our OP got an answerr from this forum to the effect that everyone serious doubts Ron Paul will get any democratic help at all. But should not have Anarchist 420 had the brains to figure that out for himself?

 

[Broheim]

Obama is a centralist, which is a nationalist, and he's a militarist. He's also a corporatist. He's far more like Mussolini than Marx.

Anarchist420 has the word anarchist in his name, anarchists usually wear black clothes, goths also wear black clothes, goths also wear makeup, gays sometimes wear makeup, gays sometimes have AIDS. Anarchist420 has AIDS.

nonsensical trains of thought are pretty nonsensical.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Fascism is a far right ideology associated with nationalism and militarism. I think you're more likely to find fascists in the republican party.

Sorry but fascism sprung from the same decrepit collectivist tree which gave fruit to socialism, communism and all other ideologues which trample over the individuals and their rights.

 

[Arkaign]

Sorry but fascism sprung from the same decrepit collectivist tree which gave fruit to socialism, communism and all other ideologues which trample over the individuals and their rights.

Socialism and the much more extreme communism are left-wing ideas.

Fascism is kind of a merging point with right-wing ideology taken to extremes. In this way you saw the Germans and the Russians reach kind of the same end point, where the individual was totally irrelevant to their interests.

The fact is that what we call 'Conservative/Right-Wing/Republican' in this country is just as sure as shit ready to take a dump on individual rights and liberty as the 'Liberal/Left-Wing/Democrat' groups are. Perhaps you can trace two paths to the destination, but the results are the same.

 

[Moonbeam]

If there were the slightest chance he could win I would vote for him because of the trouble he would create but I won't waste my vote.

 

[Lemon law]

If there were the slightest chance he could win I would vote for him because of the trouble he would create but I won't waste my vote.

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Moonbeam, I really wonder about you, as that was somewhat the same dilemma that faced Germany in 1933. As many Germans voted for Hitler thinking his extreme positions on anti-semitism and German nationalism were just harmless campaign gimmicks and Adolph Hitler would thereafter turn into a centrist.

As you show all the vision and fore thought that the German people showed in 1933.

As you would elect Ron Paul just for all the trouble and disaster he would cause??????????

 

[Moonbeam]

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Moonbeam, I really wonder about you, as that was somewhat the same dilemma that faced Germany in 1933. As many Germans voted for Hitler thinking his extreme positions on anti-semitism and German nationalism were just harmless campaign gimmicks and Adolph Hitler would thereafter turn into a centrist.

As you show all the vision and fore thought that the German people showed in 1933.

As you would elect Ron Paul just for all the trouble and disaster he would cause??????????

First off I don't think there is anything about Paul that's a campaign gimmick he is going to grow out of. Secondly, he isn't Hitler, in my opinion and I always go my my opinion and not somebody else's and so far I have never voted for a Hitler. Thirdly you have no idea what forethought I show because the only way anybody can or will ever know is with hindsight and not is yet available. You, in short, have your opinion and I have mine.

I look forward to the day when the war on drugs ends and our troops come home. Finally, RP has a snowballs chance in hell of winning. But I will cut off my nose to spite my face. If we can't have progressives running the country then fuck everybody. The moment that RP has a chance of winning I'm going to vote for him. The whole political spectrum if filled with shit.

 

[xBiffx]

I'll be voting for some grocery bag I found on the side of the road.
PLASTIC BAG 2012!!!

You just lost all the environmentalists. On the high side, all the dims are with you. They like voting for something that has no experience and was found on the side of the road. The repugs are with you too, will make them look good to vote for a hard case. Still seems like a long shot though.