Will a significant number of Democrats vote for Dr. Paul in the 2012 GOP primary?

[Anarchist420]

I think not, but I wanted your opinion.

The reason I think not, is because most of the people I personally know who voted for Obama in 2008, are still loyal to him and are going to vote for him again (most of them are still loyal to Obama solely because he's half-black, a few people because they associate all Republicans with birthers), even though they do indeed realize he's a fascist and not the pro-civil liberties, anti-war candidate they had mistaken him for 3 years ago. Of course, that's not a huge sample size, so my prediction could be wrong.

 

[Brainonska511]

Do I think a lot of Democrats are going to vote in the REPUBLICAN primary?

Um..... NO.

 

[jackstar7]

How many states allow registered Democrats vote in Republican primaries? Of those, how many will Paul make it onto the ballot? When will he drop out?

Do you think that when he starts to run away with the nomination (its inevitable, right?) that the rest of the party will suddenly embrace at least the appearance of integrity?

Do you have questions rattling around in your head that don't make it into a thread? More than a handful? Less than a handful?

 

[fskimospy]

Hey look, Anarchist420 said something dumb again.

 

[MayorOfAmerica]

Hey look, Anarchist420 said something dumb again.

It might be easier to point out when he says something smart.

 

[sandorski]

Outside of Paulbots, there will be no significant numbers from any group.

 

[Monster_Munch]

they do indeed realize he's a fascist

Fascism is a far right ideology associated with nationalism and militarism. I think you're more likely to find fascists in the republican party.

 

[Vette73]

 

[Siddhartha]

I think not, but I wanted your opinion.

The reason I think not, is because most of the people I personally know who voted for Obama in 2008, are still loyal to him and are going to vote for him again (most of them are still loyal to Obama solely because he's half-black, a few people because they associate all Republicans with birthers), even though they do indeed realize he's a fascist and not the pro-civil liberties, anti-war candidate they had mistaken him for 3 years ago. Of course, that's not a huge sample size, so my prediction could be wrong.

You guys need to get past Mr Obama's race. People are going to vote for Mr Obama in 2011 for the same reasons they voted for him back in 2008. The Republicans and their domestic, economic, and foreign policies are and have been disastrous for 95% of US citizens.

 

[NoStateofMind]

The question you should be asking is "Are the independents who voted for Obama now leaning to RP"?

 

[uclaLabrat]

You guys need to get past Mr Obama's race. People are going to vote for Mr Obama in 2011 for the same reasons they voted for him back in 2008. The Republicans and their domestic, economic, and foreign policies are and have been disastrous for 95% of US citizens.

Pretty much this. Some of Obama's policies, I shake my head at and think "wtf were you thinking?"

Almost ALL republican policies I run out the door screaming "WTF WERE YOU THINKING?"

 

[MovingTarget]

Heh, a lot of them did last election cycle. This would NOT translate to votes in the general election though.

 

[Anarchist420]

Fascism is a far right ideology associated with nationalism and militarism. I think you're more likely to find fascists in the republican party.

Obama is a centralist, which is a nationalist, and he's a militarist. He's also a corporatist. He's far more like Mussolini than Marx.

You guys need to get past Mr Obama's race. People are going to vote for Mr Obama in 2011 for the same reasons they voted for him back in 2008. The Republicans and their domestic, economic, and foreign policies are and have been disastrous for 95% of US citizens.

You should read my postings more carefully. I never said I cared about his race, I said people I know did. I hate him because of his policies, not because there it's possible he may be the first President who is not of 100% European stock. I've long been open to the theory that he is not the first President with negroid blood, unlike most people. Of course, no one alive will ever know.

 

[Thump553]

I'll start with the assumption that by significant you mean more than ten votes.

It's possible some independents and Dems will vote for The Paul in open primary states, but almost certainly only to act as spoilers (ie, to push an unelectable candidate over a stronger one). Given the pool of GOP candidates so far it's safe to say they are all unelectable.

So the answer to your question is almost certainly no. The Paul will get his usual Paulbot votes plus an undetermined number of protest votes. Given the sorry lot of GOP candidates those protest votes could be sizeable.

PS: tone down your obsession with pigeonholing and labels. At best it's pretentious but most often it comes off as idiotic (such as centerist=nationalist).

 

[thraashman]

It might be easier to point out when he says something smart.

But then none of us would ever post on here again.

 

[Siddhartha]

Obama is a centralist, which is a nationalist, and he's a militarist. He's also a corporatist. He's far more like Mussolini than Marx.


You should read my postings more carefully. I never said I cared about his race, I said people I know did. I hate him because of his policies, not because there it's possible he may be the first President who is not of 100% European stock. I've long been open to the theory that he is not the first President with negroid blood, unlike most people. Of course, no one alive will ever know.

You wrote: "most of them are still loyal to Obama solely because he's half-black". Where in reality people who vote for Mr Obama would not vote for Alan Keyes.

 

[matt0611]

No, 99% of obamabots will keep voting for him.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Gotta love the people who complain about Anarchist420 threads yet post in everyone of them.

 

[irishScott]

No, 99% of obamabots will keep voting for him.

And if the Republicans don't nominate Romney so will most independents IMO. Granted it's still to early to really tell, but I see no other candidate offering any competition to Romney in the middle, other than Obama.

The Tea Party is a minority of the Republican party. Much as they might like to think so, they cannot elect their candidates without support from the middle, which has drastically different views.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'll be voting for some grocery bag I found on the side of the road.
PLASTIC BAG 2012!!!

 

[MayorOfAmerica]

Didn't the paulbots get mad at the GOP and the Libertarian Party because Ron Paul didnt get the nod from either party the last go around?

As I remember it, in protest they all voted for Obama in the general election. I don't see Paul coming close to winning the GOP nomination so most likely its going to be paulbots voting for Obama in the general again and not democrats voting for Paul in a primary.

 

[Anarchist420]

Didn't the paulbots get mad at the GOP and the Libertarian Party because Ron Paul didnt get the nod from either party the last go around?

As I remember it, in protest they all voted for Obama in the general election. I don't see Paul coming close to winning the GOP nomination so most likely its going to be paulbots voting for Obama in the general again and not democrats voting for Paul in a primary.

I was pissed at the libertarian party for nominating Bob Barr when they could've nominated Mary Ruwart. Ron Paul didn't want to run as a 3rd party candidate, which he stated many times.

2 or 3 (at most) Ron Paul supporters would vote for Obama. The rest would just write in Ron Paul. I'm just going to write Ron Paul or vote for Mary Ruwart or L. Neil if one of them is the LP nominee, but the latter condition is unlikely. Harry Browne was excellent, Badnarik was so-so and Barr sucked. I'm not really sure what Ron Paul's running mate (Andre Marrou) was like, although his running mate (Nancy Lord) kind of sucked because she's pro-IP and if she's pro-IP, then I would assume she's pro-WTO. Ron Paul was perfect, David Bergland was great, Ed Clark sucked ass, and I don't remember before 1980.

 

[Lemon law]

First of all many democrats who voted for Obama in 2008, including me, are somewhat disappointed how Obama has turned out. But one look at the GOP candidates makes Obama the infinitely superior Democratic choice. Meaning Obama is almost certain to win the 2012 democratic primary primary. Making my democratic primary vote meaningless for prez in 2012 unless I am only concerned about my more local slate of other democratic nominees. Because in my State and most others, I can vote for the nominees of only one party.

But Anarchist420 now somewhat unwittingly may get the Limbaugh strategy of 2008, if I can't help Obama win the democratic primary, I Could* cross over, change my party designation to Republican for the 2012 Primary, and then vote for the weakest GOP candidate in the 2012 GOP primary I can find for President. And yes, anyone would be hard pressed to find anyone weaker than Ron Paul for a 2012 GOP standard bearer. And that would then help Obama win the general election in 2012.

* Note I said could, and not would for certain, because its technically illegal to openly practice that strategy. But sadly, the cross over vote is a blot on American politics and a strategy too often used by all major parties though out the American history of political primaries.

But for Anarchist420, yes, at times Ron Paul might suddenly poll must stronger than his normal 4%, just never think Ron Paul has a chance, or that it will good for the GOP.

 

[irishScott]

First of all many democrats who voted for Obama in 2008, including me, are somewhat disappointed how Obama has turned out. But one look at the GOP candidates makes Obama the infinitely superior Democratic choice. Meaning Obama is almost certain to win the 2012 democratic primary primary. Making my democratic primary vote meaningless for prez in 2012 unless I am only concerned about my more local slate of other democratic nominees. Because in my State and most others, I can vote for the nominees of only one party.

But Anarchist420 now somewhat unwittingly may get the Limbaugh strategy of 2008, if I can't help Obama win the democratic primary, I Could* cross over, change my party designation to Republican for the 2012 Primary, and then vote for the weakest GOP candidate in the 2012 GOP primary I can find for President. And yes, anyone would be hard pressed to find anyone weaker than Ron Paul for a 2012 GOP standard bearer. And that would then help Obama win the general election in 2012.

* Note I said could, and not would for certain, because its technically illegal to openly practice that strategy. But sadly, the cross over vote is a blot on American politics and a strategy too often used by all major parties though out the American history of political primaries.

But for Anarchist420, yes, at times Ron Paul might suddenly poll must stronger than his normal 4%, just never think Ron Paul has a chance, or that it will good for the GOP.

Ron Paul stated recently that he saw Obama's decision to send in the SEALs as a mistake, something even Limbaugh praised. With that statement he lost the support of the GOP and a good chunk of the Tea Party. Regardless of cross-over voters, he's done.

 

[packeryman]

Do I think a lot of Democrats are going to vote in the REPUBLICAN primary? Yes, with good reason in TX. The elite GOP wants nothing to do with Ron Paul. They support phony wars, occupations and the military-industrial complex that continues to bankrupt the middle class. They also support the failed free trade policies that have created enormous unemployment which destroys our middle class.Ron Paul would renegotiate all free trade agreements and make them fair trade agreements, bring home all troops and close foreign bases. That alone would take care of SS/Medicare and rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. Place troops from Brownsville to the Pacific with temporary bases, this would stop all drug and illegal traffic. It would create an economic boon due to troops spending their money in the US. Put a 5yr moratorium on H1-B visas to stop corporations from using cheap foreign labor. Create a mandatory 5yr in the federal pen for any employer hiring an illegal. Shut off all social programs to illegals. They would self deport, and those that did not , we would deport, empty all prisons of illegals and deport.With border closed they could not return.Then set up a temporary work program, not an amnesty program.They could be used as needed, then sent home. If you did not like the program then don't come.I don't believe in the system of registering for one party or not. You should be able to vote whatever way you want, this only perpetuates the two party system, both owned by special interest.It makes it very hard for another party not controlled by the K Street racketeers(lobbyists) to get on the ballot.Lets open this system up. I urge all Dem's in states that allow crossover voting in the primary to vote for Ron Paul, this will shake the GOP to the bones because most don't like Ron Paul. They love unlimited spending by the military-industrial complex, free trade which is the demise of the middle class, cutting safety net programs and in general throwing the elderly, disabled, unemployed, uninsured, under insured and others with the inability to take care of themselves to the mercy of the system and large corporations. That is not the kind of country most fought and died for.