Will 3d on traditional plasmas/lcd ever be possible?

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slackerinabox

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CES seems to be big on 3d displays, and vizio has half a dozen displays in the pipeline, but I can't really see Middle-America adopting a new format, especially since "flat screens" HDTV are still considered luxury items to so many people. Do you think there will be a low-end, downsampled 3D experience for people who own "older" sets, or will everyone be expected to spend $2,000 to watch Monsters vs. Aliens in 3D?
 
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lol what? the new bluray format is backwards compatible and doesn't care how you deliver the two separate frames. most simple 120hz/plasma tvs should be able to do it fine with shutter glasses.
 
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0roo0roo said:
lol what? the new bluray format is backwards compatible and doesn't care how you deliver the two separate frames. most simple 120hz/plasma tvs should be able to do it fine with shutter glasses.
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Are most LCDs / Plasmas released today 120hz?
 
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Personally I think all of this "3d" stuff will blow over in good time, just like any other fad.
 
destrekor

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0roo0roo said:
some are, its not clear exactly with the details but its not something that will only be on the highest end sets thats for sure.
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currently there are no 120hz Plasmas. :(
3D-capable Plasmas are currently being developed.
Hopefully their are affordable models in a year or two.
 
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nonameo said:
Personally I think all of this "3d" stuff will blow over in good time, just like any other fad.
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not once true 3D HD is capable of being displayed in the home. It will officially be a video feature at that point, can't see it going away after that.
And with Cameron's work in the production arena for 3D, we'll start seeing honest, worthwhile 3D production. I mean, if we can have more movies that make 3D like Avatar, I am completely sold. I will pay for a 3D Plasma, and make sure I have the right environment to watch it in 3D.
 
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rudder said:
ESPN is launching a 3D channel this summer... so hell yeh I am spending $2000 on a 3D tv! Of course the wife thinks otherwise.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=4796555
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Waste of money. ESPN can do it because the NFL will dump money into it. That's why they always have the best equipment. No other TV station is going to invest in 3D cameras, at least not for a long time. It took them 10 years to get HDTV up and running and even now a lot of popular shows are still shot in SD. They're not going to invest in new cameras so soon. Plus they need NLE software that supports it, and they have to retrain everyone. Just too expensive.
 
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destrekor said:
currently there are no 120hz Plasmas. :(
3D-capable Plasmas are currently being developed.
Hopefully their are affordable models in a year or two.
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You do realize that plasmas refresh so quickly that a refresh rate becomes nominal.
 
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slackerinabox

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Quasmo said:
You do realize that plasmas refresh so quickly that a refresh rate becomes nominal.
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Are you implying that most any plasma will work with Bluray 3d? I mean, I love my 3 year old 720p plasma and have no reason to upgrade.. Yet!
 
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Seems there will also be a Discovery 3D channel. A joint venture between Discovery, Sony and IMAX.

The new network is designed as a sort of carrot to lure buyers to purchase 3D-enabled TVs, suddenly a hot topic in the entertainment world. Within the movie theater, 3D technology has offered up a fresh way for directors and cinemas to improve the movie experience; now home electronics manufacturers want a piece of the action, too.

Sony said that it will license television rights to current and future 3D films, plus music- and game-related 3D content. Discovery, meanwhile, will provide 3D rights to its television content while promoting the new channel across its 13 properties. IMAX appears to be supplying image-enhancement and 3D technologies, while doing some cross-promotion across its own theater network.
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Seems Sony will be releasing new 3D capable TVs, so not sure if not sets work.
 
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freedomsbeat212 said:
CES seems to be big on 3d displays, and vizio has half a dozen displays in the pipeline, but I can't really see Middle-America adopting a new format, especially since "flat screens" HDTV are still considered luxury items to so many people. Do you think there will be a low-end, downsampled 3D experience for people who own "older" sets, or will everyone be expected to spend $2,000 to watch Monsters vs. Aliens in 3D?
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Well..they way Cameron talks - we'll start seeing 3d capable displays in laptops within a few years.

It took ~10 years for HDTV to finally start showing up on US based channels. I'd say the same will happen for 3d displays - so maybe around 2020?
 
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mmntech said:
Waste of money. ESPN can do it because the NFL will dump money into it. That's why they always have the best equipment. No other TV station is going to invest in 3D cameras, at least not for a long time. It took them 10 years to get HDTV up and running and even now a lot of popular shows are still shot in SD. They're not going to invest in new cameras so soon. Plus they need NLE software that supports it, and they have to retrain everyone. Just too expensive.
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Yeh I wasn't serious. I am not going to sit watching football for 3 hours with stupid plastic glasses on.
 
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Quasmo said:
You do realize that plasmas refresh so quickly that a refresh rate becomes nominal.
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What I think you are referring to, is sub-field drive, which helps achieve the high perceived refresh rate.
For instance, a 600hz Panasonic PDP is actually a 60hz display with a 10x sub-field drive, which helps prevent motion blur.
I do not understand sub-field drive all that much, but it appears in all displays, they are technically 60hz with some sub-field multiplier. They are incapable of displaying 120hz video, which is necessary for modern 3D tech.

Anaglyph images can be displayed on any television I think, as can the more modern version of anaglyph, ColorCode 3D (which Chuck and the Superbowl used, not standard anaglyph but very similar).

The type of 3D the updated codec (was it AVC?) will support for use with Blu-ray, essentially requires a 120hz display if you are going to use glasses. Some companies are developing displays that make 3D without using glasses at all, and this and all modern 3D styles are supported by the updated codec.
But active shutter glasses and any modern style of passive glasses need 60hz to each eye, thus a display with at least 120hz natively.
 
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freedomsbeat212 said:
Are most LCDs / Plasmas released today 120hz?
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They are but apparently there is something else missing that would not allow current 120hz sets to properly display 3D pictures. I don't remember what it was but read an article a couple days ago about it.

Oh, and you also have to get expensive glasses to wear.
 
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