Wikipedia Hacking Into Users PC?

Bozo Galora

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I stumbled upon this little blurb this morning:

TBRNews.org December 15, 2006

Editors note on Wikipedia Problems:

We have received a number of communications from viewers concerning ?Wikipedia? which advertises itself as an online information service, a sort of free Internet encyclopedia. The complaints are that the service is filled with articles obviously cribbed from other publications and not attributed but worse, many are obviously the work of spiteful contributors who publish reams of incorrect, and in some cases, libelous material.

Apparently the people who run Wikipedia welcome any kind of input which is posted by them without any kind of verification. Some of the raucous attacks on religious groups, political figures and historical events sound like the Daily Kos at full cry. Having some background in various historical subjects, we looked up specific subjects and discovered a porridge of fiction, prevarications and material that was to all intents and purposes, included for the purpose of disiniformation. Much of this is unsourced and as reference material, what we saw was completely worthless.

Inaccuracy and mendacity is not the main problem with Wikipedia. In a number of cases, persons who availed themselves of this service were immediately inundated with hundreds of emails on the topic they had just accessed.

In one case, a gentleman had searched for material on the Christian Gospels and within an hour, his mail box was stuffed with religious notices, fact sheets, requests for money and other support. Most of these obnoxious and unwanted communications came from Evangelical Christian groups. In the first week, this individual received over 700 emails and by the end of the month, the total had exceeded 2000.

Even more obnoxious were problems encountered by a woman whose 14 year old daughter had consulted Wikipedia on the subject of abortion, information which she needed for a school paper on that subject. She had a similar experience to the first person cited. Within minutes of closing down the Wikipedia site, this girl had received over 200 emails, mostly from religious, anti-abortion organizations and by the end of the month, the total had swelled to 3000 emails!

Needless to say, the mail boxes of both parties were jammed to the point that they were unable to receive any other emails. Both parties tried to contact Wikipedia personnel to complain but to date, there has been no response of any kind. This lack of concern is apparently standard.

The question arises, obviously, as to how the spammers obtained the email addresses of the victims. In the two cases cited above, neither had ventured into the fields of interest before. Perhaps the proprietors of the site have found a way to make a profit from their ?free site.?

For those seeking accurate and sane information on diverse subjects, we heartily recommend the Encyclopedia Britannica site. Their reputation is quite beyond reproach and no one of our acquaintance has ever received hundreds of obnoxious spam messages because of their search for information there. Editor
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Now I dont know anything about hacking or how its done, and I do use WP occasionally.
But harvesting someones email addresses while they are visiting your website seems a bit far fetched to me, especially on a large scale. Is this even possible - and how would it be done?

I am NOT asking for your opinion about WP's accuracy or whether its valuable, or whether or not you go there, or where you do go.

I just want to know if this sounds really doable and that it happened the way the 2 people mentioned THOUGHT it did - i.e., their visit to WP??

Thnx
 

tweakmm

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If there is any merrit to these claims it's probably a trojan that the end user got from somewhere else; the search string just triggered it.

I've search for tons of stuff on wikipedia and have never gotten hit with tons of spam.
 

Bozo Galora

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Originally posted by: tweakmm
If there is any merrit to these claims it's probably a trojan that the ened user got from somewhere else; the search string just triggered it.

Now thats a possibility, a trojan already on their PC's being triggered
 

bsobel

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Inaccuracy and mendacity is not the main problem with Wikipedia. In a number of cases, persons who availed themselves of this service were immediately inundated with hundreds of emails on the topic they had just accessed.

I can envision some attacks (specifically malfomed jpg/gif scenarios which some unpatched systems are vulnerable to). That said, it would be obvious to everyone else if this was the case as AV filters would be catching it. I call shens (not on you Bozo, on the article)

Needless to say, the mail boxes of both parties were jammed to the point that they were unable to receive any other emails.

Yea, right. A 100 emails a day (the claim) 'jammed' their mailbox.
 

MrChad

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This "article" sounds like total and utter FUD and hearsay. Quite possibly it's an advertisement for Encyclopedia Britannica.

Either

1) The users are willingly providing their email addresses to Wikipedia or to sites linked to Wikipedia, or
2) The users are browsing with malware-infected PCs that have compromised the privacy of their email addresses.

Otherwise, there is no way for a website to "hack" your PC and read your email addresses for the purposes of spam.
 

2Xtreme21

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Yeah I searched "porn" one time, and now I have about 3000 emails I have to "go through." Ugh pain in the ass...

;)
 

tweakmm

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Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
O.K., thats what I wanted to know - uninformed folks making illogical assumptions.
Well, hypothetically a website could correlate the searches with an IP address and then run some script kiddy scripts to see if there were any unpatched exploits on the machine, gain access, find the e-mail and then send targeted spam to it.

The chances of Wikipedia doing that are pretty slim to none I'd say.

It would be crazy though if someone high in the web admin chain got greedy and actually did the aforementioned. :Q
 

2Xtreme21

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Doesn't Wiki have like 300+ admins that constantly verify submitted content? The only articles I think that would be affected by false information would be those articles dealing with subjects that only a handful of people in the world are experts with.
 

Vic

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There is no truth or merit to this article beyond the fact that Wikipedia does have some issues with vandalism and proper sources not being cited due to its own policy of self- contribution and moderation. Articles with improper citations or vandalism are tagged as such, reader beware. Anyone who wishes to sign up for an account can fix such articles if they wish, or discuss the problems with the community.
 

MrChad

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Originally posted by: Vic
There is no truth or merit to this article beyond the fact that Wikipedia does have some issues with vandalism and proper sources not being cited due to its own policy of self- contribution and moderation. Articles with improper citations or vandalism are tagged as such, reader beware. Anyone who wishes to sign up for an account can fix such articles if they wish, or discuss the problems with the community.

Its accuracy, however, is remarkably good for a user-policed site, and in some cases is on par with Britannica.
 

brxndxn

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I skimmed through that article and laughed at how outrageous it was.. LOL.. "If you browse Wikipedia, you'll get brainwashed and you will be spammed like crazy!!!"

Only idiots would believe an article like that.. one that was obviously written by idiots.
 

Noema

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What a load of FUD. And Wikipedia might not be the most accurate information on the planet, but it's pretty good for something community policed, like Mr. Chad mentioned, and it's still great for a quick overview of a topic one's not very familiar with. I've looked up stuff in Wikipedia.org (in English, Spanish and german) at least once a day, every day for over two years now and I've never gotten any kind of spam.

The BS on this one can be smelled form miles away.
 

Winchester

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If writing a paper dont use Wikipedia directly. I always used the "sources" links at the bottom and found the information on those sites which were typically well known expert run sites.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: MrChad
Originally posted by: Vic
There is no truth or merit to this article beyond the fact that Wikipedia does have some issues with vandalism and proper sources not being cited due to its own policy of self- contribution and moderation. Articles with improper citations or vandalism are tagged as such, reader beware. Anyone who wishes to sign up for an account can fix such articles if they wish, or discuss the problems with the community.

Its accuracy, however, is remarkably good for a user-policed site, and in some cases is on par with Britannica.

I don't doubt that. I enjoy wikipedia and am a contributor. However, I do run across vandalized articles from time to time, and quite a few that do not properly cite their sources (which in most cases is not actual plagiarism as it is contributors trying to pass off personal opinion as fact, thankfully wiki makes it easy to flag these).

I agree with the consensus that the writer of that article has a malware-infected PC.
 

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Apparently the people who run [TBRnews.org] welcome any kind of input which is posted by them without any kind of verification... articles.. are obviously the work of spiteful contributors who publish reams of incorrect, and in some cases, libelous material. "

I fixed their editorial to reflect an editorial of their own editorial.