Wii: The revolution or a novelty?

Kabob

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First let me say this isn't instended to be a Wii bash, I'm just listing my personal thoughts. I got hyped up about the Wii and bought one when I got the chance. Everything I write here will be in reference to Zelda.

After spending about 10 hours on it I've got to say that I'm not tremendously impressed. Sure the motion sensing is cool, but it really nothing special. After spending hours trying to get the remote to aim correctly (I got it somewhat close, but it's still not great) and getting through the first two dungeous of Zelda I think I'd rather just stick with the traditional controller. A few notes on just the controls:

-Originally my Wii remote was aiming about 3 feet high. I moved the sensor bar from the bottom to the top of the TV and it helped a bit, but it's still not great. It also seems to be a little slow, but maybe that's just me.

-Now that you can "aim" your bow and arrow sighting in enemies is supposed to be easy...I've spent a good amount of time fidgeting trying to get the crosshair on target. While it's a little faster it's really not very intuitive. As someone said to me "it's more like a mouse than a laser pointer" which is true. I just wish it was more like I saw in all the previews where the guy sighted down the remote to target enemies...the entire system seems rather jumpy too.

-Another thing I don't like, you really don't swing the remote at all, I tried that and it takes longer to attack. Instead you really just shake the remote to and fro. Shaking it from side to side doesn't mean you'll do horizontal slashes, you'll do any kind. Likewise upward and downward motions don't do vertical slashes.

-The button layout on the remote is a bit awkward. I've got to shift my entire hand to hit the 1 and 2 buttons on the bottom, and sometimes to hit the left D-pad button as well.

-The speaker in the remote is absolutely painful to listen to. I ended up turning the volume on the remote to 1, but since the game is designed to hear the remote there are no sword swinging/hitting sound effects now.

There are a few positive aspects though. I love having the two handed controls as I tend to "lounge" when playing the game. Being able to push my left hand forward rapidly for a shield bash is nice, although sometimes it ends up in a spinning attack. Since it's just motion sensing this happens, although I'm getting better at it. I also like the ability to aim with your bow while riding the horse as well, this could turn into something very cool with more effort.

I think it is a neat idea, but really could have used more development to make it really entertaining.

I absolutely hate focusing on things like this but I've finally joined the "they could have made this alot prettier" bandwagon. I've already got a Gamecube, now I've got a Gamecube and a motion sensing Gamecube. Don't get me wrong, I generally focus alot more on gameplay than graphics, and I still do, but when I see games like Gear of War popping out and compare it visually to Zelda (which I really shouldn't do) it's just rough.

I will say that as a game Twilight Princess has not dissappointed at all, it's a ton of fun and is every bit as deep and well developed (if not moreso) than every other Zelda game I've played. My only concern is (personally) once I'm done with TP what will be left to keep me my Wiimotions flowing? Metroid Prime? Not really. The first was great, the second was meh, and the third...who knows. Mario? For me probably not.

On the flip side I've heard stories of people having an absolute blast with them and I believe that Nintendo really is accomplishing their mission of bringing in the casual gamer, the one who is intimidated by having 47 buttons on a controller and who can just pick something up and have fun. For the hardcore though I'd say the Xbox 360 (imho) is the best option right now.

I'm debating on whether or not to keep mine. It is fun, but I'm thinking an Xbox might be more my style. Dunno yet though. I'm thinking I'll either end up selling it or trading it for a 360...

Anyone else have any thoughts on their Wii experience overall?
 

warcrow

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Its a revolution IMHO.

I speak about the reason why here about 1 hour in (give or take): http://www.playedpodcast.com/2006-11-30/played-episode-14/

There are deffinitly some issues with the console -it's not perfect by any means (what console is?). But, the revolutionary part is that they're turning and going to be turning people who never owned a console or arnt even particularly into gaming -into Wii owners. That's amazing and I applaude Nintendo. :)
 

Slick5150

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While every console takes time to mature in relation to developers figuring out how to best take advantage of it, the Wii is going to be even moreso as its something vastly different than what's been done before. I've enjoyed what I've played of it so far, but I have a feeling that the 2nd and 3rd generation of games are going to be far, far, better than the launch crop.

And I agree with warcrow above that I have several female friends that have never even thought about playing video games before trying it out and enjoying it. And that is an accomplishment in and of itself.
 

XBoxLPU

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Are you basing your Wii experience on one game?

FYI, it was stated before the launch of TP that the Wii Remote would not change the motion of the sword attacks.
 

Trevelyan

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I saw Gears of War yesterday on a widescreen plasma TV and it blew me away!

Probably gonna join the Xbox 360 bandwagon afterall.
 

pontifex

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i have to say that after playing the wii for a little i'm becoming skeptical as well. sometimes it just doesn't seem to work very well or i get tired of swinging. i'm going to stick it out awhile and see what happens with future games. because like other people are saying, this is brand new and these are just the launch games.

i think having the option to use the classic controller or the remote on games might be a good idea.-
 

Kabob

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Originally posted by: XBoxLPU
Are you basing your Wii experience on one game?

FYI, it was stated before the launch of TP that the Wii Remote would not change the motion of the sword attacks.

No, I've played Wii Sports as well and couldn't get into it. The motions were even worse on it. I may throw it in again and check it out.

warcrow, I jumped into the podcast at about 57 mins but didn't hear anything and I'm up to 1:08, I'll go backwards.
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: Trevelyan
I saw Gears of War yesterday on a widescreen plasma TV and it blew me away!

Probably gonna join the Xbox 360 bandwagon afterall.

Trev, let me tell you... going from gaming on a small screen to a large HDTV with a system that can output in an HD resolution... it's just :Q. I bought an HDTV recently and so far I'm quite happy with the purchase, although it wasn't exactly cheap (albeit it could've been more expensive, so I can't complain!). Hooking up a PC to my TV has also proved to be quite excellent as I practically have a theatre in my own bedroom...

EDIT: Fixed the first sentence... wasn't too clear.
 

Kabob

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Warcrow, I covered from 54 mins in to 1:08 in and found nothing about why it's revolutionary...other than her launching her drink...
 

warcrow

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Originally posted by: kabob983
Originally posted by: XBoxLPU
Are you basing your Wii experience on one game?

FYI, it was stated before the launch of TP that the Wii Remote would not change the motion of the sword attacks.

No, I've played Wii Sports as well and couldn't get into it. The motions were even worse on it. I may throw it in again and check it out.

warcrow, I jumped into the podcast at about 57 mins but didn't hear anything and I'm up to 1:08, I'll go backwards.

Hrm, it's in the "what we're playing" part. Try 1:20 - 1:30 mins maybe?
 

Kabob

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Aah, I heard it. Heard a similar story on Hardforum. I mentioned that too in my post, but I dunno if the gamer who's been at it for a while is going to get as much enjoyment.
 

Gagabiji

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Hmmm, looks like I'm just going to wait TP is released on GC then. Thanks for the review!
 

eelw

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Good thing the opinion represented by the OP only reflects a small percentage of Wii users.
 

VIAN

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I think it's a novelty. And a bad one at that.

All I keep hearing is that people have difficulty using the Wiimote, only getting it right after one hour. How are casual gamers going to react to that. They have a short attention span, they aren't going to sit there and figure out how to use it. That creates frustration and they'll be more likely to give up. On the other hand, a gamepad works correctly out-of-the-box.

It seems to me that this is the worst product Nintendo has ever offered. It has so many issues, which I don't remember other Nintendo consoles having. And I can't believe they messed up on the biggest thing they're marketing: Casual, easy to use, no hassle playing.

That's the way I see it.


I also don't believe at all that the issues are caused by launch games. I've never played a launch game, or console that had this many issues. What happened to the Nintendo seal of quality in titles? I suggest for all you Wii owners that you return your Wiis, if you're not enjoying them, while you still can, for a full refund. If you see, in a year or two, that the Wii finally works as it should, or has something you really like, then buy it again. Probably get it at a cheaper price too. This way you don't sacrifice $250 on the chance that the Wii might not be revolutionary at all.
 

Ika

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A revolution in concept, but a novelty in application.

I still don't like the way the Wiimote senses. It doesn't feel natural. Of course, it's a new product, so it's no big deal, and I love the Wii anyway. I guess in a few generations, the sensing will be perfected, and the revolution will be complete.
 

VIAN

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Originally posted by: Aflac
A revolution in concept, but a novelty in application.

I still don't like the way the Wiimote senses. It doesn't feel natural. Of course, it's a new product, so it's no big deal, and I love the Wii anyway. I guess in a few generations, the sensing will be perfected, and the revolution will be complete.
I can't understand how you guys can love the Wii, while it doesn't work the way you like it. The controls that affect "gameplay" are f'ked up. And that ruins gamepay, yet you still love it. So much for gameplay > graphics. More like Nintendo > gameplay. Fanboy.

I guess after a few generations it might work properly. But I'll be enjoying my 360 now, while you enjoy your Wii three years from now. And I'm not even limiting myself to the 360, I think I'd rather spend the money on a PS3 than buy the Wii. The PS3, at least, doesn't have any gameplay affecting issues.

Why does Prince of Persia suck? Cause it controls like ******, otherwise, it would've been a good game. Same with the Wii.


I feel like that Pig Vomit from the movie Private Parts:

Pig Vomit: But... if they hate him, why do they listen?

Researcher: Most common answer? "I want to see what he'll say next."
 

DanTMWTMP

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hmm, I don't have a problem w/ the controls in zelda. putting the sensor bar below the TV, and standing a good 8 feet away proved to be the most accurate. U can make your own sensor bar anyways taht can be more accurate. Just get an array of IR emittors, place them about 1 feet apart...and bam, your very own "sensor bar."

wii sports w/ the controller is awesome.