"Wii Bowling Over Retirees"

Fritzo

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Wii's unique game play a hit with seniors.

This is what ticks me off about developers that say "The Wii is a piece of junk- it can't do 4x anti-antroscopic-wiggitywack-aliasing and doesn't have 900Gb of memory to make games!!!!" Most people could care less about what a game looks like- if it's fun to play, people will flock to it. "Game snobs" around thinking that only the fastest and the best will deliver are the ones that condone all of the "all frosting, no cake" games that flood the shelves today. The fact that an 81 year old guy can now bowl like he did when he was 30 is a great achievement.
 

ViviTheMage

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Originally posted by: Fritzo
Wii's unique game play a hit with seniors.

This is what ticks me off about developers that say "The Wii is a piece of junk- it can't do 4x anti-antroscopic-wiggitywack-aliasing and doesn't have 900Gb of memory to make games!!!!" Most people could care less about what a game looks like- if it's fun to play, people will flock to it. "Game snobs" around thinking that only the fastest and the best will deliver are the ones that condone all of the "all frosting, no cake" games that flood the shelves today. The fact that an 81 year old guy can now bowl like he did when he was 30 is a great achievement.

duh, this is the wiis motto!

love my wii :)
 

MrDudeMan

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agreed. i like the 360 and all but the wii simply delivers. gameplay > graphics and anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves.
 

DaShen

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:) the Wii is a cool console. It is fun for almost any age group and easy to play.

This is probably the only console that I have seen where the majority of my friends who are girls will actually play for an extended period of time. Mainly because the Wii is a social gaming system, while the playstation and xbox although network playable, is more of a machine for "gamers"

**EDIT**
It is probably the only concole I would even consider buying
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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"all frosting, no cake"

Damn, that's perfect, quite possibly the smartest statement made by an AT'er, seriously. A lot of people, especially the ones on AT, get hung up on details, most people want a simple product that works and don't care about technical things. The most "technical" part for a person should be a price.

Nintendo made a single console, with 1 version, 1 price, etc. and something *unique*, that's golden right there IMO.
 

funboy6942

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I never thought the Gamecube to have that bad of graphics, and the Wii is just a glorified one of them. And to be honest Id rather play a crappy looking game with good game play then a good looking game that looks good but cant play it for more then 5 minutes because the game play sucks.

I cannot wait to get my hands on a Wii, I want that more then a 360 or PS3 at this point or anything else for that matter, well aside of the kick ass guitar deal in the hot deals section.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
agreed. i like the 360 and all but the wii simply delivers. gameplay > graphics and anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves.

I think what people miss is that the graphics have reached the point where they don't really detract from the gameplay - they're just eye candy. I saw someone on one of the gamefaqs boards say something to the effect of "if graphics didn't matter, we'd still be playing the NES." I think he's missing the point. There are things that you couldn't do with older systems that limited the gameplay. Entire genres couldn't exist without decent 3D graphics. Last generation HAD decent 3D graphics. Now they're just adding eye candy. Higher resolution is nice, but it's not often that it will make a big difference in the playability of a game.

Every generation up to this point has opened the door for new types of games. I just don't see the graphical improvements of this generation doing that. And I think the proof will be that the Wii, with its "last gen" graphics will have the same types of games, and many of the same games, as the PS3 and the Xbox 360.
 

Izzo

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I'm still hoping that a shipment of Wiis will grace the Lansing area by spring 2009. Maybe then I will be able to experience the greatness that is Wii.
 

Kelemvor

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That's great. I was skeptical when I heard what Nintendo was plannig in comparison to what MS and Sony were planning. But they had a truly great stance. Let the other two beat each other up trying to be the biggest and the fastest and let the Nintendo just be the most fun to play with the broadest audience. Go Nintendo Go.

I haven't played any of them but I'm always turned off by games that use so many different buttons, triggers, joysticks, etc that I can't keep them straight. That's why I liked my Atari so much and why I'd love to have a Mame cab.
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
agreed. i like the 360 and all but the wii simply delivers. gameplay > graphics and anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves.

I think what people miss is that the graphics have reached the point where they don't really detract from the gameplay - they're just eye candy. I saw someone on one of the gamefaqs boards say something to the effect of "if graphics didn't matter, we'd still be playing the NES." I think he's missing the point. There are things that you couldn't do with older systems that limited the gameplay. Entire genres couldn't exist without decent 3D graphics. Last generation HAD decent 3D graphics. Now they're just adding eye candy. Higher resolution is nice, but it's not often that it will make a big difference in the playability of a game.

Every generation up to this point has opened the door for new types of games. I just don't see the graphical improvements of this generation doing that. And I think the proof will be that the Wii, with its "last gen" graphics will have the same types of games, and many of the same games, as the PS3 and the Xbox 360.

Not only that, but one of the most important yet overlooked facts is that form and function are intertwined. We've been using gamepads to control our consoles since the very first (function), with the only innovations being slight - analog control, more buttons, a little vibration etc. Yet throughout this time, graphics have evolved from blocks of light to near photorealism (form). You'd don't expect natural control when the game isnt natural (pong), but it begins to become silly when essentially the same control, just slightly modified, is applied to something far more realistic (virtua tennis). It's one thing to press a button to make a little cartoon jump, its another thing to press a button to make a realistic tennis player swing.

The leap in form from pong (B/W, sound for blips) to modern console tennis (3d, HD, orchestrated surround sound) is absurdly huge, yet sticks, pads and buttons are still the name of the game. We may be several generations ahead in form, but IMO the wii is the only system to reach even the second generation of function. And not only has form outstripped function by an absurd degree, it is also at the point where the form is good enough to represent nearly anything, although at a lower level of fidelity.

I've been a gamer for life, and to me, as good as it looks, I still feel like I'm playing retro games on the 360/PS3. When I fire up my Wii, it still feels like a completely different experience. Gears of war sat in my 360 unfinished for weeks, throughout which time I was (and still are) having an absolute blast with Wii Sports...all by myself even.

And as much as I still want the evolution of form to continue, the revolution in function is so staggering that it really has changed gaming for me. The fact that my GF loves wario ware and wii sports doesnt mean the game is dumbed down - it means that function has finally caught up to the point where a non-gamer can really get into it, just the same way our parents wanted us to turn down the damn TV when our 2600s made all those annoying bleeps and bloops. Most adults/non-gamers could tolerate watching others play a 360 game, but they'd never want to pick the controller up.

Sure the 360 and PS3 will look so much better in a few years as devs understand the system, but I see no reason to doubt that Wii games will *play* so much better in the same timeframe. Devs are having some trouble struggling with the new controls, but when thats sorted out, I'm thinking we're going to see (or play, rather), some incredible things.

Surely I'd have dropped $600 to buy a powerful HD Wii, but thats just me. For what it is, I really dig it. Because of the Wii's massive success, showing no slowing in sigh, I fully expect the next gen after this one to focus far more upon function than form, but for the next few years, it's Sony and MS playing catchup to nintendo. It'll be interesting what kind of wicked controllers Sony and MS can pull off in 2010, and whether or not Nintendo will have something new to mix it all up again.
 

mobobuff

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Originally posted by: Izzo
I'm still hoping that a shipment of Wiis will grace the Lansing area by spring 2009. Maybe then I will be able to experience the greatness that is Wii.

Do we not have any? I haven't really looked around.
 

FoBoT

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Originally posted by: Kelemvor
...I'm always turned off by games that use so many different buttons, triggers, joysticks, etc that I can't keep them straight.

yes,i am not coordinated enough to hit 3 buttons and pull a trigger in the right sequence to make the guy do his finishing move, etc , so i can't play those fancy games anyway

i hope to find a wii by july :(
 

habib89

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there's a reason i still play civ3 and colonization.. i just love the game play.. screw graphics...

for the few hours that i've played the wii, i loved it.. i want one!
 

waggy

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i have always said gameplay beats graphics. thats oen of the things that tick me off about new RPG's. FFVI is one of the best rpg's ever. it has great gameplay, great story etc. Its just a good game to play. to many of the new RPG's have a ok story but spend all the time on cutscenes and graphics. they skip out on gameplay.


I love my wii. i enjoy bowling or playing tennis with my daughter. just waiting for a really good golf, and bowling game.
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: waggy
i have always said gameplay beats graphics. thats oen of the things that tick me off about new RPG's. FFVI is one of the best rpg's ever. it has great gameplay, great story etc. Its just a good game to play. to many of the new RPG's have a ok story but spend all the time on cutscenes and graphics. they skip out on gameplay.


I love my wii. i enjoy bowling or playing tennis with my daughter. just waiting for a really good golf, and bowling game.

Tiger Woods! It's great once you master the controls.
 

waggy

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I have heard mixed reviews on tiger woods. im going to rent it from blockbuster and give it a try.
 

Slew Foot

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Tiger Woods is great after youve put an hour or so getting a feel for the swing. Some minor bugs here and there but it works out. Once the retirees get a hold of this one, theyll never leave the nursing home, haha.

 

Tiamat

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Nintendo definitely figured something out here. It ain't easy to satisfy so many people of such a large age group.
 

eelw

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Originally posted by: BD2003
It'll be interesting what kind of wicked controllers Sony and MS can pull off in 2010, and whether or not Nintendo will have something new to mix it all up again.

Yeah, I wonder what the next step will be. How can both MS and Sony incorporate motion sensing without infringing on any patents used in the Wiimote.