Wife refueled her car with Engine still running!?!?!

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: sao123
EDIT: Im not young... I was born in the late 70's.

Yeah, you're young.

Edit: So, you're welcome and no charge for the auto repair 101 lessons tonight.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: sao123

irregardless of today... when the law was written in 1968 (I think that was the year)
this was the reason why.

What law? The one that says to cut the car off when refueling? I don't think there's one law that does that....I think that's a state-by-state thing.

And it is really irrelevant now.

As has been stated before in this thread, the only realistic way a fire can be started when refueling is by static discharge.
This can only come from a person when it's under 50% humidity, pretty much.
So you get out of the car, make sure you discharge your charge on the door or window of the car, and don't get back in while refueling.
Smoking is an obvious no-no, although lighting up is more dangerous than the actual smoking.
It is almost impossible for a fire to start from the engine running.
I'd be more concerned about the clown who pulls up right behind me and sits there with his engine running while waiting for me to finish than my own engine...and that's still a near-impossibility for fire.

its not a state by state thing... its a federal law. All vehicles must be shut off before refueling. This law was enacted in the 60-70's era.
We get this pei publications at work all the time.


the trouble is, is that this law was never enforced until someones dog put a car in gear that was left running and the car ran into something and caused a big explosion.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: sao123
its not a state by state thing... its a federal law. All vehicles must be shut off before refueling. This law was enacted in the 60-70's era.
We get this pei publications at work all the time.

I really don't think this is a federal law, but would appreciate a link that points to it if you have one. I google'd awhile and couldn't find anything saying it was a law.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: sao123
its not a state by state thing... its a federal law. All vehicles must be shut off before refueling. This law was enacted in the 60-70's era.
We get this pei publications at work all the time.

I really don't think this is a federal law, but would appreciate a link that points to it if you have one. I google'd awhile and couldn't find anything saying it was a law.

I am searching as well, so far I have only found new jerseys state law found here.
http://www.state.nj.us/labor/lsse/lslgas.html

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: sao123
its not a state by state thing... its a federal law. All vehicles must be shut off before refueling. This law was enacted in the 60-70's era.
We get this pei publications at work all the time.

I really don't think this is a federal law, but would appreciate a link that points to it if you have one. I google'd awhile and couldn't find anything saying it was a law.

I am searching as well, so far I have only found new jerseys state law found here.
http://www.state.nj.us/labor/lsse/lslgas.html

That links says it's unlawful to dispense gas into a vehicle with the engine running.
I'd think that means it's up to the individual states, not the feds.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: sao123
its not a state by state thing... its a federal law. All vehicles must be shut off before refueling. This law was enacted in the 60-70's era.
We get this pei publications at work all the time.

I really don't think this is a federal law, but would appreciate a link that points to it if you have one. I google'd awhile and couldn't find anything saying it was a law.

I am searching as well, so far I have only found new jerseys state law found here.
http://www.state.nj.us/labor/lsse/lslgas.html

New Jersey's law isn't a good example, because you can't pump your own gas. So you can't legally pump it whether the engine is running or not.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: sao123


which is what i said... that removing the key breaks the circuit.

Electronic Fuel injection wasnt mainstream in US automotives (GM, Ford, Chrysler)until after 84, maybe earlier in forien brands.
I owned both an 83 dodge omni, and an 86 camero, neither of which had digital clock or fuel injection.

The circuit you are talking about there is only the door chime circuit.


I think all this talk of the car's electical system is moot, since 99.9% of sparks you get while refueling the vehicle are due to static electricity, not the car's electrical system.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Oh, and even in the old cars, removing the keys didn't do squat...simply cutting the car off did that. Unless you left the door open...then, leaving the key in would complete the circuit at the key cylinder and cause the chime to sound. But if you shut the door, even this isn't a factor.

which is what i said... that removing the key breaks the circuit.

Electronic Fuel injection wasnt mainstream in US automotives (GM, Ford, Chrysler)until after 84, maybe earlier in forien brands.
I owned both an 83 dodge omni, and an 86 camero, neither of which had digital clock or fuel injection.

Many people think that cars didn't get computerized until EFI came out. This is incorrect. Even many cars with carburetors had computers in them. I remember looking at an early 80's Caddy in auto shop class, and he hooked it up to the Sun machine. There was a computer inside that monitored several emissions-related systems.

Your 1983 Omni and your 1986 Camaro were both computerized.

 

[mattocs]

Meh, I do it with the vehicles at work. Esp. if its cold or hot out.

 

[dmcowen674]

Is this woman in jail yet?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Is this woman in jail yet?

Imprison her for her own safety!

IMPROSONMENT FOR GREAT FREEDOM!!

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: sao123


which is what i said... that removing the key breaks the circuit.

Electronic Fuel injection wasnt mainstream in US automotives (GM, Ford, Chrysler)until after 84, maybe earlier in forien brands.
I owned both an 83 dodge omni, and an 86 camero, neither of which had digital clock or fuel injection.

The circuit you are talking about there is only the door chime circuit.


I think all this talk of the car's electical system is moot, since 99.9% of sparks you get while refueling the vehicle are due to static electricity, not the car's electrical system.

Pretty much. We're talking something that's extremely unlikely.