Widen track and lower center of gravity to make more stable?

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PlatinumGold

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ok, this is from that ford explorer thread but no one is answering me there.

someone enlighten me, which car would this statement NOT be true of??

you can roll over ANY CAR ever made.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/03/ford.rollover.ap/index.html

the lawyer of the defendent says:
Schoville said Ford declined to follow its engineers' suggestions to widen the Explorer's wheel track or to lower its center of gravity -- costly changes that would make the vehicle more stable.
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BDawg

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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
ok, this is from that ford explorer thread but no one is answering me there.

someone enlighten me, which car would this statement NOT be true of??

you can roll over ANY CAR ever made.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/03/ford.rollover.ap/index.html

the lawyer of the defendent says:
Schoville said Ford declined to follow its engineers' suggestions to widen the Explorer's wheel track or to lower its center of gravity -- costly changes that would make the vehicle more stable.
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Is the answer a riced civic with offset wheels? The crappy aftermarket fascia would probably provide more lift than downforce. :)

There was that car on beaterz with the wing put on backwards. :D
 
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Actaeon

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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
you can roll over ANY CAR ever made.
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You sure could.

EDIT: Yes, I know, it didn't roll, but it was pretty damn close. Just shows what could happen even to small cars that are low to the ground.
 

Someone in that thread claimed that the Corvette has the highest rollover rate.
Though, no supporting information is provided.
 
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PlatinumGold

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Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
it is also posted a few minutes ago. so i will scream.

REPOST.

MIKE
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ok, it's a repost. i kind of put that in the OP tho.

again, i just want someone to explain to me which car the statement that the lawyer made would NOT be true of.

show me a car that WOULDN'T be more stable if made with a wider track and lower center of gravity?
 
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Actaeon

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Originally posted by: SampSon
Someone in that thread claimed that the Corvette has the highest rollover rate.
Though, no supporting information is provided.
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I do remember hearing that Camaros had a pretty high rollover rate too, even more so than the Explorer.

I'll try and dig some info up.
 
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MikeMike

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corvette, rollover rate? HAHAHAHAHAHA.

does it have to be a car? because widening the track of a motorcycle would make it handle like crap, and really wouldnt work to well. lowering it might, but not widening it.

MIKE
 
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HappyPuppy

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Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
corvette, rollover rate? HAHAHAHAHAHA.

does it have to be a car? because widening the track of a motorcycle would make it handle like crap, and really wouldnt work to well. lowering it might, but not widening it.

MIKE
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U R on drugs, right? Please tell me you are under the influence of some mind altering drug.
 
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Actaeon

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Originally posted by: Actaeon
Originally posted by: SampSon
Someone in that thread claimed that the Corvette has the highest rollover rate.
Though, no supporting information is provided.
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I do remember hearing that Camaros had a pretty high rollover rate too, even more so than the Explorer.

I'll try and dig some info up.
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The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) says the ?highest death rates are in midsize sports cars.? IIHS goes on to single out the Chevrolet Camaro, Camaro convertible and Pontiac Firebird (which is the same platform) saying they all ?have very high death rates in single-vehicle crashes, and that has been true model year after model year.?

Wow, talk about a smoking gun.

Rollover deaths? The latest data compiled by IIHS says Camaro has 104 rollover fatalities per million registered vehicle years (PMRVY). The convertible has 167, while the Ford Explorer has 26 rollover fatalities PMRVY. The Jeep Cherokee, another SUV some folks think is dangerous, has only 15 rollover fatalities PMRVY.
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MikeMike

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Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
corvette, rollover rate? HAHAHAHAHAHA.

does it have to be a car? because widening the track of a motorcycle would make it handle like crap, and really wouldnt work to well. lowering it might, but not widening it.

MIKE
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U R on drugs, right? Please tell me you are under the influence of some mind altering drug.
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which one of my statements are you referring to?

how could you widen the track of a motorcycle, without making the tire wider, thus it would be much harder to lean and turn. causing the handling to SUCK.

MIKE
 

Ok, that post provides no info on that corvette.

Of course, the driving style isn't taken into account in these statistics as noted in this article..
Kim Hazelbaker, a senior vice president at IIHS says that ? incredibly ? just about everyone agrees that ?testosterone and alcohol? are the factors that kill Camaro drivers, not mysterious ?design defects.?
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elfenix's post got it there.
 
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PlatinumGold

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bottom line.

if you buy and SUV and don't realize that it will be more prone to roll overs than a corvette (driver and driving situations being equal) than it's not the manufacturers fault you rolled over the fvcking vehicle.
 
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PlatinumGold

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Originally posted by: SampSon
bottom line.

if you have a good lawyer, common sense doesn't matter.
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god, my aunt could have used a better lawyer. :(

she was sideswiped by a Roadway Semi that ran a red light to hit her. it demolished her vehicle and left her partially disabled for life. she looks and sounds like a stroke victim. she will never walk without a walker, she can't talk straight, half her face has lost muscle control.

roadway was insured and the insurance had some kind of cap. i think her lawyers screwed up because she only got $6 million or so. (well, i don't know how much the lawyers got of that).

this is different from the roll over case because the driver for roadway WAS responsible.
 
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PingSpike

Lifer
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Originally posted by: SampSon
bottom line.

if you have a good lawyer, common sense doesn't matter.
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Sad but true.


Those camero statistics just prove the average camero driver likes to roll his vehicle by driving to fast.
 
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