• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

Why young people should be more involved in the political process

Mursilis

Diamond Member
YOUNG AND OVERTAXED ? A PRESCRIPTION FOR RUIN
By
Mark Schmidt

The House recently passed a $350 billion prescription drug entitlement for seniors.

Thankfully, the plan faces limited chances of success in the Senate ? not because it costs too much at a time when deficits have re-emerged, but because it spends far less than the $800 billion that Democrats want.

The lack of debate over whether such a massive give-away is necessary in the first place demonstrates seniors? electoral clout: according to the Federal Election Commission, while 61% of those over the age of 65 voted in the 1998 Congressional elections, only 18% of those age 18-25 did.

In sheer numbers, there are five times more votes to be found among the elderly ? and they want ?free? drugs.

The younger generation?s lack of political influence ? childless singles in particular ? leaves them stuck with the bill for an ever-expanding welfare state even though they consume almost none of its services.

For example, National Taxpayers Union Foundation research shows that per capita federal entitlement spending on seniors totaled $17,637 in 2000, while entitlement spending on Americans aged 18-64 amounted to just $1,845 per person.

Seniors aged 65 and over devour almost 60 percent of the federal entitlement pie, while the much larger cohort of the population aged 18-64 nibbles on a lean 28 percent. Because Food Stamps and welfare go largely to single mothers, childless young singles receive almost none of this latter amount.

Social Security is a raw deal for the young. While a worker born in 1915 who retired at 65 in 1980 collected $71,390 more than he paid into Social Security, a worker born in 1975 can expect to collect $93,486 less than she contributed.

Young people benefit from fewer tax deductions. Only 46% of those age 25-34 are homeowners, and thus eligible to deduct mortgage interest, while 80% of those age 65 and older own their homes. Even after many seniors pay off their mortgages, they can still deduct applicable property taxes.

About the only big deduction that young singles get is for interest on student loans, but this break phases out if you work hard enough to make $40,000 a year. And tuition has risen at three times the rate of inflation since big government flooded the market for college loans.

The unspoken truth is that young Americans ? many of whom are struggling to pay off educational debt and want to save for a home, marriage, and a family ? are being forced to make an intergenerational wealth transfer to more-affluent seniors.

Indeed, the average net worth of seniors age 65-74 is $146,000, while the average net worth of Americans under age 35 is a mere $9,900. Government-mandated wealth-transfer policies are one factor in this disparity: over the past four decades, federal entitlements to the elderly grew almost twice as fast as they did for Americans under 65.

Why should a hard-working young person pay taxes so a rich old person can play golf or pay less for his Viagra prescription?

The answer is that politics is almost always a zero sum game. Assuming government needs a set amount of revenue to fund its existing web of entitlements, a new entitlement for one group means higher taxes for another group.

Thus, the politicians push where there is the least resistance ? or the least votes ? and that means the entitlement burden falls disproportionately on young people, whose level of participation in politics is abysmally low.

It?s not surprising that the elderly strongly favor a prescription drug entitlement program. It?s an easy way for them to shift costs to younger taxpayers who are already footing the bill for Social Security and Medicare, as well as federal, state, and local taxes from which many seniors are exempt.

Although politicians such as Senator Hillary Clinton claim that a new prescription-drug entitlement is ?an investment in Medicare,? young taxpayers should understand that they are unlikely to ever receive any dividends from this budget-busting scheme.

During the early 1990s young people were urged to ?rock the vote.? If the prescription-drug entitlement becomes law, they will pay an even higher price for failing to do so.

 
Politics is a boring, futile, and obtuse. I've never seen anything good come out of a political discussion other than the wanton utterance of diatribes from both parties.

My $.02
 
Originally posted by: Descartes
Politics is a boring, futile, and obtuse. I've never seen anything good come out of a political discussion other than the wanton utterance of diatribes from both parties.

My $.02

Yeah, and if you take that attitude, it won't be your $0.02 for much longer.
 
Since they will be the ones on the Front Line Dying in case of a war you'd think they'd want to have a say in who's going to be sending them to war.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Since they will be the ones on the Front Line Dying in case of a war you'd think they'd want to have a say in who's going to be sending them to war.

You'd think so... there's a surprising amount of apathy, even among college students (although I suppose that's a given)... it's frustrating. I spend a portion of my day reading the news, local, national, and international, just to keep abreast of what's going on... and people act surprised, as if being knowledgable about current affairs is something special - it shouldn't be.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Since they will be the ones on the Front Line Dying in case of a war you'd think they'd want to have a say in who's going to be sending them to war.

There's that, but since we don't have the draft, it's simple enough to avoid military service - just don't volunteer. Of more important concern is the fact that previous generations (especially the Baby Boomers) are running up a huge federal debt giving themselves all sorts of government benefits, and young voters, who are going to get stuck with both the bill and the resulting economic stagnancy, are oblivious.
 
If the younger generations "rocked the vote" and defeat legislation of this nature, the older generation will not get its "free drugs", and will die off in increasing number. The younger generations would thus tend to gradually gain influence in the government, and laws would then start to be passed that would be geared towards them. Let's make all those really old people support us for a change...
 
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Since they will be the ones on the Front Line Dying in case of a war you'd think they'd want to have a say in who's going to be sending them to war.

You'd think so... there's a surprising amount of apathy, even among college students (although I suppose that's a given)... it's frustrating. I spend a portion of my day reading the news, local, national, and international, just to keep abreast of what's going on... and people act surprised, as if being knowledgable about current affairs is something special - it shouldn't be.
People also aren't aware of how easy it is to get involved in the political process on some level. The one thing any political group can always use (besides money 😛 ) is warm bodies. I worked on our current mayor's election campaign, I worked for Denise Majette's campaign (the woman who defeated Uber-bitch Cynthia McKinney), I'm involved with the GA democratic party and I volunteer time for one of the larger PACs here in georgia (my wife is on their board of directors). All you have to do is ask.

 
Interesting. So the elderly are all wealthy huh. Well hell's bells. Wonder how that works out? Perhaps they own a home. Worked for it and paid for it with their best years like everyone else before them?

If this statistic is representative, then on average, everyone who has two parents gets to divide almost $300,000 between siblings upon the death of parents. W00t! EVERYONE is rich!
Dont see this happening? Perhaps that is because by the time they die, that money is gone. Usually in health care costs/nursing homes etc. I would define a society as sick when it begrudges their elders a decent life. Yeah, its going to cost me too. Your alternative is to kill anyone over, say 60, before they become a burden to your selfish azz. Remember though, that if you survive to a ripe old age, a younger person would be waiting to put a bullet in your head or push you onto an ice flow.
 
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Interesting. So the elderly are all wealthy huh. Well hell's bells. Wonder how that works out? Perhaps they own a home. Worked for it and paid for it with their best years like everyone else before them?

If this statistic is representative, then on average, everyone who has two parents gets to divide almost $300,000 between siblings upon the death of parents. W00t! EVERYONE is rich!
Dont see this happening? Perhaps that is because by the time they die, that money is gone. Usually in health care costs/nursing homes etc. I would define a society as sick when it begrudges their elders a decent life. Yeah, its going to cost me too. Your alternative is to kill anyone over, say 60, before they become a burden to your selfish azz. Remember though, that if you survive to a ripe old age, a younger person would be waiting to put a bullet in your head or push you onto an ice flow.

Nice job of ignoring everything in the article and resorting to pointless flaming. For the record, I do not begrudge the elderly a decent life. I do, however, begrudge them and anyone else an endless stream of federal outlays when it's clearly bankrupting the nation. Currently, the National Debt is 6.4 TRILLION dollars, requiring in excess of $333 BILLION dollars a year just to maintain interest payments. Interest on the debt is nearly 20% of the entire federal budget, which would be balanced today if not for this expense. You can play the smug SOB, thinking you're Mr. Compassionate for wanting to shovel more $$$ toward seniors, but the reality is that you're running up a huge bill which will impair future generations.

Facts on the federal debt HERE
 
Originally posted by: Fausto1
People also aren't aware of how easy it is to get involved in the political process on some level. The one thing any political group can always use (besides money 😛 ) is warm bodies. I worked on our current mayor's election campaign, I worked for Denise Majette's campaign (the woman who defeated Uber-bitch Cynthia McKinney), I'm involved with the GA democratic party and I volunteer time for one of the larger PACs here in georgia (my wife is on their board of directors). All you have to do is ask.

Why get involved when we can b!tch about politics on ATOT 😉 Seriously, I find it hard to get involved with any one group or one politician because it is hard to find a trustworthy politician that has the same beliefs as myself. I do better at writing letters to my congressman and Senator about my concerns on certain initiatives and bills.
 
Politics is about getting your way by catering to those with the most influence and wealth, and eventually working your way up the chain and into becoming one of those that "make a difference."

Only reason why the "young ones" aren't as involved is due to the mentality of the seniors already involved. The sort of mentality that goes along the lines of "I'm older than you so I know better.. You need to learn the ropes first before you can become someone.." Question is.. Become what? If you don't go along their so called policy you're the blacksheep and no one ever wants to get involved with you, and if you do go along you become one of them with very little chance to care to change it around and actually work for the people.

Politics is like being involved in an Italian mob, except there's no slayings directly tied to them or AS MUCH laundered money.

What really works for the people in politics is young people getting involved as a whole and getting them educated. It doesn't help when you have ignorant registered voters personally electing every state and the nation into oblivion. THAT is the reason why I don't vote. The minute I see more young people making sound choices about the officials we elect then I would probably care to get involved.
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Fausto1
People also aren't aware of how easy it is to get involved in the political process on some level. The one thing any political group can always use (besides money 😛 ) is warm bodies. I worked on our current mayor's election campaign, I worked for Denise Majette's campaign (the woman who defeated Uber-bitch Cynthia McKinney), I'm involved with the GA democratic party and I volunteer time for one of the larger PACs here in georgia (my wife is on their board of directors). All you have to do is ask.

Why get involved when we can b!tch about politics on ATOT 😉 Seriously, I find it hard to get involved with any one group or one politician because it is hard to find a trustworthy politician that has the same beliefs as myself. I do better at writing letters to my congressman and Senator about my concerns on certain initiatives and bills.
I look at it this way. He or she likely get an avalanch of mail every day that they may or may not read. I'd rather spend my time putting people in office I can hopefully trust to do the right thing (IMO) most of the time so I don't have to write letters to them. I busted my ass during Shirley Franklin's campaign and I think she's doing a very good job for the most part thus far. Getting McKinney voted out is another good example......writing that bitch letters wouldn't have accomplished anything.
 
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Fausto1
People also aren't aware of how easy it is to get involved in the political process on some level. The one thing any political group can always use (besides money 😛 ) is warm bodies. I worked on our current mayor's election campaign, I worked for Denise Majette's campaign (the woman who defeated Uber-bitch Cynthia McKinney), I'm involved with the GA democratic party and I volunteer time for one of the larger PACs here in georgia (my wife is on their board of directors). All you have to do is ask.

Why get involved when we can b!tch about politics on ATOT 😉 Seriously, I find it hard to get involved with any one group or one politician because it is hard to find a trustworthy politician that has the same beliefs as myself. I do better at writing letters to my congressman and Senator about my concerns on certain initiatives and bills.
I look at it this way. He or she likely get an avalanch of mail every day that they may or may not read. I'd rather spend my time putting people in office I can hopefully trust to do the right thing (IMO) most of the time so I don't have to write letters to them. I busted my ass during Shirley Franklin's campaign and I think she's doing a very good job for the most part thus far. Getting McKinney voted out is another good example......writing that bitch letters wouldn't have accomplished anything.

Hehe...well, I live up in Lawrenceville in Gwinnett County. My representatives are a little more sedate and don't bring out the hatred like McKinney 🙂 Like I said, if there was someone that came along and caught my attention, I would work on their campaign...but, I haven't seen anyone yet 🙁
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Fausto1
People also aren't aware of how easy it is to get involved in the political process on some level. The one thing any political group can always use (besides money 😛 ) is warm bodies. I worked on our current mayor's election campaign, I worked for Denise Majette's campaign (the woman who defeated Uber-bitch Cynthia McKinney), I'm involved with the GA democratic party and I volunteer time for one of the larger PACs here in georgia (my wife is on their board of directors). All you have to do is ask.

Why get involved when we can b!tch about politics on ATOT 😉 Seriously, I find it hard to get involved with any one group or one politician because it is hard to find a trustworthy politician that has the same beliefs as myself. I do better at writing letters to my congressman and Senator about my concerns on certain initiatives and bills.
I look at it this way. He or she likely get an avalanch of mail every day that they may or may not read. I'd rather spend my time putting people in office I can hopefully trust to do the right thing (IMO) most of the time so I don't have to write letters to them. I busted my ass during Shirley Franklin's campaign and I think she's doing a very good job for the most part thus far. Getting McKinney voted out is another good example......writing that bitch letters wouldn't have accomplished anything.

Hehe...well, I live up in Lawrenceville in Gwinnett County. My representatives are a little more sedate and don't bring out the hatred like McKinney 🙂 Like I said, if there was someone that came along and caught my attention, I would work on their campaign...but, I haven't seen anyone yet 🙁
I live in McKinney's district, so it was a personal thing for me. I was really, really sick of her ignoring north Dekalb. We tried going to a few of her "town hall" meetings and got shouted down every time we tried to ask a question. When it came time to do the "breakout groups" for discussion at these meetings, her cronies would segregate all the white people into a single group....I kid you not. I don't miss her in the least and (political greenness or not) I think Majette is a far better rep. I've spoken to her on several occasions and she's all about treating dist 4 as a whole, not this stupid "us vs. them" north/south Dekalb crap that McKinney used to pull all the time.

Okay..rant over...sorry. 😱

 
Back
Top