Why would anyone buy a Civic Hybrid over a Camry Hybrid?

[KK]

Bullshit trolling and I'm not derailing this thread with that conversation.

I'll take the bait, you know what doesn't make sense, motorcycles. Who would ride on one of those death machines must not be right in their head. :sneaky:

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

In England we rented a car Just any plain old car. Tank of gas on day one. I was blown away. The thing must have gotten 80 mpg. And here we think 40 is superb?

 

[JulesMaximus]

I'll take the bait, you know what doesn't make sense, motorcycles. Who would ride on one of those death machines must not be right in their head. :sneaky:

The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had.

 

[tortillasoup]

In England we rented a car Just any plain old car. Tank of gas on day one. I was blown away. The thing must have gotten 80 mpg. And here we think 40 is superb?

It sounds like you've never owned a hybrid vehicle. Seriously, the vehicles in europe aren't magically more efficient than in America. Sure they sell a lot of diesels but at the end of the day, the Prius and other hybrid vehicles at at the top of the pack for efficiency which is why there is no congestion charge on the Prius in London.

 

[JulesMaximus]

In England we rented a car Just any plain old car. Tank of gas on day one. I was blown away. The thing must have gotten 80 mpg. And here we think 40 is superb?

That isn't really true. England uses Imperial gallons which are about 20% larger than US gallons. Also, their testing methodology isn't as stringent as EPA fuel economy testing is.

 

[Murloc]

most cars in europe are smaller and lower powered than american ones but there's no magical difference.

You just don't see many landboats here, small hatchbacks is where it's at.

 

[evident]

http://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle-make/toyota-0-60-mph-times/

that SE's time's got to be the V6.

 

[jlee]

that SE's time's got to be the V6.

Yeah - they are surprisingly quick.

 

[Fenixgoon]

fixed

this, but maybe they want a physically smaller car? some people don't like or want a big car.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Bullshit trolling and I'm not derailing this thread with that conversation.

:whiste: Trolling? Please, that ship sailed with the first response to this thread.

 

[Bubbleawsome]

Most people don't put 20K+ miles on their vehicles in a year.

That's probably true, but maybe only by a few %.
One of my family's cars have gotten about 25k miles per year. We haven't driven an excessive amount in it, just school/work commutes and a roadtrip every once in a while.

 

[nerp]

If people bought cars based purely on facts and figures how does Chrysler still exist?

Because they buy cars based on facts and figures and Chrysler today beats the competition in terms of price, performance, options and style. Reliability is also on part with everyone else, if not better. Don't believe me? That's fine. You can be wrong, if you want. Clinging to uninformed bias and anecdotal information is cool. Gets you nowhere in life, but it is cool.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

A lot of confusion here. It's not all dollars and cents with hybrids. Many people (myself and wife included) prefer to buy a hybrid for the same reason we want built in navigation. It is a feature that we want at the price point we are targeting.

I want to spend $X on a car. And it needs features A,B and C. Why do you think there are so many Priuses around? Because it's cost effective or because of the features where hybird is a feature? It's probably a mix of both reasons.

Oh, I also don't get the premium sound packages. All I want are the $20 speakers instead of the $5 speakers. That's $60 more not $1500.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

most cars in europe are smaller and lower powered than american ones but there's no magical difference.

You just don't see many landboats here, small hatchbacks is where it's at.

I remember in England, I noticed that a large vehicle there is something like the Volvo V60. I remember seeing a BMW 7 series but it was something like a 713i. It had a tiny engine in it compared to what the US engines (retardedly big) are like.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Because they buy cars based on facts and figures and Chrysler today beats the competition in terms of price, performance, options and style. Reliability is also on part with everyone else, if not better. Don't believe me? That's fine. You can be wrong, if you want. Clinging to uninformed bias and anecdotal information is cool. Gets you nowhere in life, but it is cool.

You mean like this?
https://www.cars.com/articles/2014/...in-consumer-reports-latest-reliability-study/

Or this?
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...ler-replaces-longtime-quality-chief/18052121/

Or perhaps this?
http://www.wxyz.com/money/auto-news...makers-in-2015-reliability-predictions-survey

 

[NutBucket]

LOL. Thanks Jules

 

[Leyawiin]

Would rather have a Jetta TDI if I were getting a long distance commuter. Six speed manual, fun to drive, similar fuel economy as a hybrid.

 

[tortillasoup]

Would rather have a Jetta TDI if I were getting a long distance commuter. Six speed manual, fun to drive, similar fuel economy as a hybrid.

Yeah but what's the point if the fuel economy the similar and the performance is similar if not worse? So you can row your own gears? Camry hybrid would be more reliable, faster, and lower cost to maintain. I see the appeal to row gears but I don't see the appeal in diesel as the carbon footprint is similar to just buying a gasoline powered Honda Civic.

 

[Leyawiin]

Yeah but what's the point if the fuel economy the similar and the performance is similar if not worse? So you can row your own gears? Camry hybrid would be more reliable, faster, and lower cost to maintain. I see the appeal to row gears but I don't see the appeal in diesel as the carbon footprint is similar to just buying a gasoline powered Honda Civic.

Motorweek tested a Golf TDI with a six speed and they said it was similar to the gas engine (7.4 sec 0-60). There's no way a Camry hybrid is going to be faster. If I have to drive a long distance I'd rather be entertained somewhat rather than being in a driving appliance for hours. Plus you can get one for a little over 22K (vs. at least 25K).

 

[tortillasoup]

Motorweek tested a Golf TDI with a six speed and they said it was similar to the gas engine (7.4 sec 0-60). There's no way a Camry hybrid is going to be faster. If I have to drive a long distance I'd rather be entertained somewhat rather than being in a driving appliance for hours. Plus you can get one for a little over 22K (vs. at least 25K).

Golf TDI isn't a Jetta TDI. Jetta TDI was 0-60 in around 10 seconds and a slalom time of 60mph. Camry Hybrid is 0-60 in the low 7 seconds. Also, why would I buy an unreliable piece of eurotrash like a volkswagen.

 

[Yuriman]

On top of that, you can buy Honda's hybrids with manual transmissions.

The 2005 Accord Hybrid had (if the chart's I'm looking at are correct) a 0-60 time of ~6.9 second, while the 2014 is ~7.2 seconds.

 

[Ramses]

Most all the hybrids are CVT's, manuals just don't lend themselves to such. It's sort of a defining difference and a cultural touchstone, there may be some PDK type auto's out there which are
better (in every way technically), but still aren't as traditionally engaging as a regular manual trans.

6spd jetta tdi has options, performance enhancement. I'm assuming anyway, every other TDI does. Camry hybrid? I'm sure it's a very, very good car, and I mean that, but there are a significant number of people that want something more involved and interesting in an automobile. It usually begins with a manual transmission and a fat torque curve.

And if one does not want those things, that's perfectly fine. Both sides, and the inbetween's, need to realize that it's OK to be other than how they are. That's why there are lots of cars for sales every year instead of like, two..

You can buy a couple year old Porsche for less than the Jetta or Camry, and clearly it's a better car since it's a Porsche, right? But you don't, generally. Maybe the Porsche is a little tooo involved and interesting. Different strokes and all that.

 

[NutBucket]

On top of that, you can buy Honda's hybrids with manual transmissions.

The 2005 Accord Hybrid had (if the chart's I'm looking at are correct) a 0-60 time of ~6.9 second, while the 2014 is ~7.2 seconds.

Oh come now. I'm a big Honda fan but that's an apples to oranges comparison if I ever saw one. V6 vs I4 not to mention the '05 wasn't intended for ultimate mpgs.

 

[Yuriman]

Oh come now. I'm a big Honda fan but that's an apples to oranges comparison if I ever saw one. V6 vs I4 not to mention the '05 wasn't intended for ultimate mpgs.

If you're buying a hybrid for the features/cool factor, it's applicable. The V6 Accord Hybrid was still rated 29/37 which is pretty respectable for a sub-7 second car, especially for its age/time period. And considering you could get it in 5MT, you're probably not going to be replacing the transmission at 150k which is all a lot of (especially the earlier) CVTs are good for.

The Prius doesn't use a belt-based CVT, either, but an orbital gear set, which is part of the reason I like them so much.

 

[tortillasoup]

If you're buying a hybrid for the features/cool factor, it's applicable. The V6 Accord Hybrid was still rated 29/37 which is pretty respectable for a sub-7 second car, especially for its age/time period. And considering you could get it in 5MT, you're probably not going to be replacing the transmission at 150k which is all a lot of (especially the earlier) CVTs are good for.

The Prius doesn't use a belt-based CVT, either, but an orbital gear set, which is part of the reason I like them so much.

You could never get an accord Hybrid with a manual transmission unless you can prove otherwise.