Why would any liberal support the current health care reform bill?

[Craig234]

I said essentially the same in another HC thread last night. Not sure why you bring up Mexico - it's certainly not a country we should emulate were 20 families own 95% of the wealth and everyone else is fucked. Why not look at systems which work and insure everyone for half or less than half price. You don't have to answer I know the answer.

The reuslt of right-wing policies:

Mexico, the impoverished country so poor that 10% of its total population, disportionately its working men, are illegally in the US working for crumbs despite the terrible work, terrible conditions from illegal status, language barrier etc. And yet, the Forbes 500 list just came out naming a Mexican man as the wealthiest man in the world - above even the concentrated wealth of the rich in the far richer united States, above the obscene oil shieks.

Nothing wrong with that picture.

Let's get ourselves even more of a system where the wealth is so concentrated that the rich can reduce the economy and control the government to grow their pie share.

 

[Craig234]

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[zsdersw]

Congressional Republicans have their own health care provided by a government-run system. I don't see them rejecting that and purchasing their own health insurance.

Many Congressional Republicans also voted for the Medicare Prescription Drug benefit a few years ago (without permitting cheaper generic alternatives!). Apparently the ills of government-run health care don't matter when you're the party in power.

 

[sciwizam]

Congressional Republicans have their own health care provided by a government-run system. I don't see them rejecting that and purchasing their own health insurance.

Many Congressional Republicans also voted for the Medicare Prescription Drug benefit a few years ago (without permitting cheaper generic alternatives!). Apparently the ills of government-run health care don't matter when you're the party in power.

Take a guess on who delayed voting on Sen. Dorgan's Drug re-importation bill and eventually sinking it? Or for that matter why is that not included in the White House's proposal, that they are trying to pass with 50 votes via reconciliation?

Maybe it has to do with the back-room deal made with Pharma, just sayin'.

 

[woolfe9999]

I find it curious that the term "Universal Health Care" is constantly misused on this board. It means a system where everyone (in practice, almost everyone) has health insurance. It does not necessarily mean government insurance. What they have in Canada is a single payor system. It's one way to achieve UHC, involving a single, government payor. This bill *is* UHC because it will insure about 3/4's of the currently uninsured. Insuring 30 million people not currently insured is basically why most liberals support the bill.

Incidentally, no righty on this board has ever accurately stated what actual public opinion is on this bill. If they cite any poll at all, it is something around the lowest outlier ever over 100 or more polls. Take a look at the actual aggregated poll data, and note the trend lines over the past 60 days:

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/healthplan.php

The unpopularity of this bill is greatly over-stated.

- wolf