Why won't the RIAA go the way of Enron?

[Jetblade]

That would give me so much pleasure in the years to come.

 

[Schadenfroh]

cause they have 1337 lawyers and pick on lil girls?

 

[her209]

Because they are denial that their products sucks serious nuts!!!

 

[ReiAyanami]

they don't have to lie about profits, because they are extremely profitable, $2k from 12 year old girls, bust up grandpa's hip for dough. legalized extortion

maybe we should buy our congressmen back

 

[oniq]

Yeah that would help the economy

 

[EMPshockwave82]

they dont have to lie about how much money they are making off people wrongly... everyone know's how many lawsuits they filed

 

[Sachmho]

maybe we should buy our congressmen back

truer words have been spoken, but that doesn't mean that this is also very true...

so yes, ayanianaiain raises a very good point

 

[Harvey]

Unlike Enron, the ripoff is by all the ripoff whiners who steal the music. :| I'm really bored reading posts by so many wankers who wouldn't know which end of a guitar to hold, and who probably forgot the words to "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star," let alone show the create, play or sing any musical composition worthy of recording at home, pissing and moaning about the horrible old RIAA. :disgust:

Ya know -- It really doesn't matter if you think the RIAA is ripping off artists. I have yet to see one piece of evidence posted to support that. Even if the worst of those accusations are true, that's a matter between the artists and the RIAA. There are also plenty of other costs associated with producing, marketing and distributing muscial product.

OTOH, do you think it's just a great idea that your favorite performers should have to flip burgers all day just to cover their rent and food habits, then, come home and jam in their garages all night, just to entertain you for nothing?

BULLSH8!!! The only way anyone gets good enough to create a body of superior work and gain the ability to perform it is by spending most of that time doing it. In the real world, either some part of your art form supports your life, or you have to get a job.

It's time to stop all the whiney self pity over not being able to rip off the artists, writers, producers, publishers, manufacturers of the music you like and support them so they can continue to do it and keep eating at the same time. I support the RIAA's efforts to stamp out piracy. I'll be glad to take issue with them if they're ripping off the people whose interests they're supposed to be defending.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Harvey
I support the RIAA's efforts to stamp out piracy.

Do you support the method they want to use (assuming all are guilty and invading everyone's privacy to ensure that they're not)?

 

[Sluggo]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Unlike Enron, the ripoff is by all the ripoff whiners who steal the music. :| I'm really bored reading posts by so many wankers who wouldn't know which end of a guitar to hold, and who probably forgot the words to "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star," let alone show the create, play or sing any musical composition worthy of recording at home, pissing and moaning about the horrible old RIAA. :disgust:

Ya know -- It really doesn't matter if you think the RIAA is ripping off artists. I have yet to see one piece of evidence posted to support that. Even if the worst of those accusations are true, that's a matter between the artists and the RIAA. There are also plenty of other costs associated with producing, marketing and distributing muscial product.

OTOH, do you think it's just a great idea that your favorite performers should have to flip burgers all day just to cover their rent and food habits, then, come home and jam in their garages all night, just to entertain you for nothing?

BULLSH8!!! The only way anyone gets good enough to create a body of superior work and gain the ability to perform it is by spending most of that time doing it. In the real world, either some part of your art form supports your life, or you have to get a job.

It's time to stop all the whiney self pity over not being able to rip off the artists, writers, producers, publishers, manufacturers of the music you like and support them so they can continue to do it and keep eating at the same time. I support the RIAA's efforts to stamp out piracy. I'll be glad to take issue with them if they're ripping off the people whose interests they're supposed to be defending.

Did a liberal write that?

<-------Falls out of chair in shock




I agree completely.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Jetblade
That would give me so much pleasure in the years to come.

They might . . .



JOIN the RIAA BOYCOTT on Black Friday!

 

[AnyMal]

If you knew anyting about RIAA you'd know that they are not a company and therefore they can''t go "the way of Enron"/

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Ya know -- It really doesn't matter if you think the RIAA is ripping off artists. I have yet to see one piece of evidence posted to support that.

The normal industry contract is for seven albums, with no end date, which would be considered at best indentured servitude (and at worst slavery) in any other business. In fact, it would be illegal.
A label can shelve your project, then extend your contract by one more album because what you turned in was "commercially or artistically unacceptable". They alone determine that criteria.
Singer-songwriters have to accept the "Controlled Composition Clause" (which dictates that they'll be paid only 75% of the rates set by Congress in publishing royalties) for any major or subsidiary label recording contract, or lose the contract. Simply put, the clause demanded by the labels provides that a) if you write your own songs, you will only be paid 3/4 of what Congress has told the record companies they must pay you, and b) if you co-write, you will use your "best efforts" to ensure that other songwriters accept the 75% rate as well. If they refuse, you must agree to make up the difference out of your share.
Congressionally set writer/publisher royalties have risen from their 1960's high (2 cents per side) to a munificent 8 cents.
Many of us began in the 50's and 60's; our records are still in release, and we're still being paid royalty rates of 2% (if anything) on them.
If we're not songwriters, and not hugely successful commercially (as in platinum-plus), we don't make a dime off our recordings. Recording industry accounting procedures are right up there with films.
Worse yet, when records go out-of-print, we don't get them back! We can't even take them to another company. Careers have been deliberately killed in this manner, with the record company refusing to release product or allow the artist to take it somewhere else.
And because a record label "owns" your voice for the duration of the contract, you can't go somewhere else and re-record those same songs they turned down.
And because of the re-record provision, even after your contract is over, you can't record those songs for someone else for years, and sometimes decades.
Last but not least, America is the only country I am aware of that pays no live performance royalties to songwriters. In Europe, Japan, Australia, when you finish a show, you turn your set list in to the promoter, who files it with the appropriate organization, and then pays a small royalty per song to the writer. It costs the singer nothing, the rates are based on venue size, and it ensures that writers whose songs no longer get airplay, but are still performed widely, can continue receiving the benefit from those songs.

From this article written by a musician. An interesting read if nothing else.

Edited to fix a tag I borked

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: her209
Because they are denial that their products sucks serious nuts!!!

Yes, because every band on a major label sux.

Lethal

 

[Vette73]

Every time you buy a CD you are supporting the RIAA, so think of it that way.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Every time you buy a CD you are supporting the RIAA, so think of it that way.

Unless, of course, you a CD directly from the artist and/or a band on an independent label not owned by any of the majors.


Lethal

EDIT: Even if you don't buy a CD but you get the music from P2P you are still supporting the RIAA because you are showing them there is still a demand for their product and as long as their is a demand for their product they will continue to find ways to make money from it.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Every time you buy a CD you are supporting the RIAA, so think of it that way.

Unless, of course, you a CD directly from the artist and/or a band on an independent label not owned by any of the majors.


Lethal

EDIT: Even if you don't buy a CD but you get the music from P2P you are still supporting the RIAA because you are showing them there is still a demand for their product and as long as their is a demand for their product they will continue to find ways to make money from it.

Well I got a couple songs from the new Fleetwood mac cd and liked them. So I WAS going to buy it, but I just found out it was put out by Warner Brothers, and they are part of the RIAA, so I will not be buying the CD now.

And people copying games, does not mean they would buy that game, it just means they want to try it. I have tried a lot of games, but have only bought the ones I REALLY liked and wanted.

So good music/games/etc... = me buying it.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: jliechty

Originally posted by: Harvey
I support the RIAA's efforts to stamp out piracy.

Do you support the method they want to use (assuming all are guilty and invading everyone's privacy to ensure that they're not)?

Eh.... pardon me for not bothering to read that entire bill, but how exactly are they invading everyone's privacy? By searching for illegal files on Kazaa, then using that evidence of piracy to obtain your personal information from your ISP? How does this affect someone who does not share or download copyrighted music?

It seems to me that the only people who whine about their "privacy" being violated are the people who NEED their "privacy" to hide their illegal activities.

 

[thenewnoise]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Unlike Enron, the ripoff is by all the ripoff whiners who steal the music. :| I'm really bored reading posts by so many wankers who wouldn't know which end of a guitar to hold, and who probably forgot the words to "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star," let alone show the create, play or sing any musical composition worthy of recording at home, pissing and moaning about the horrible old RIAA. :disgust:

Ya know -- It really doesn't matter if you think the RIAA is ripping off artists. I have yet to see one piece of evidence posted to support that. Even if the worst of those accusations are true, that's a matter between the artists and the RIAA. There are also plenty of other costs associated with producing, marketing and distributing muscial product.

OTOH, do you think it's just a great idea that your favorite performers should have to flip burgers all day just to cover their rent and food habits, then, come home and jam in their garages all night, just to entertain you for nothing?

BULLSH8!!! The only way anyone gets good enough to create a body of superior work and gain the ability to perform it is by spending most of that time doing it. In the real world, either some part of your art form supports your life, or you have to get a job.

It's time to stop all the whiney self pity over not being able to rip off the artists, writers, producers, publishers, manufacturers of the music you like and support them so they can continue to do it and keep eating at the same time. I support the RIAA's efforts to stamp out piracy. I'll be glad to take issue with them if they're ripping off the people whose interests they're supposed to be defending.

you are one of the stupider people in the world

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: thenewnoise


you are one of the stupider people in the world

Your well-thought argument and clearly documented evidence are proof of your high level of intelligence. Kudos.

 

[dawks]

Originally posted by: Harvey
OTOH, do you think it's just a great idea that your favorite performers should have to flip burgers all day just to cover their rent and food habits, then, come home and jam in their garages all night, just to entertain you for nothing?

But its alright for me to flip burgers for two-three hours to buy two or maybe three good songs, and some pictures of the person, while they live in 5 million dollar mansion on a hill in Los Angeles, (with three or four 60" flat screens) and some record exec, whom I've never heard of nor seen, drives a porche when he gets tired of his F1 Mclaren.

 

[Muck]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
cause they have 1337 lawyers and pick on lil girls?

That's a lot of lawyers!!

 

[azncoffeeboi]

Originally posted by: Muck

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
cause they have 1337 lawyers and pick on lil girls?

That's a lot of lawyers!!

Hahaha =)

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: DaZ
But its alright for me to flip burgers for two-three hours to buy two or maybe three good songs, and some pictures of the person, while they live in 5 million dollar mansion on a hill in Los Angeles, (with three or four 60" flat screens) and some record exec, whom I've never heard of nor seen, drives a porche when he gets tired of his F1 Mclaren.

Welcome to capitalism.

 

[paruhd0x]

Originally posted by: Harvey

BULLSH8!!!

Lol :beer: