Why won't my old SD CRT display HD from HD DVR???

[redgtxdi]

As best I can tell, so long as I'm using component or HDMI from the HD DVR to the TV, I should be able to view HD channels on my CRT. (Sony 36" Trinitron)

Yet, when I try to view *any* HD channel, it goes all squiggly. (audio is fine).

???

TIA

 

[zerocool84]

Umm because the channels are a higher resolution than your tv can support. You're trying to watch HD channels on your SD tv.

 

[redgtxdi]

And as I understand it......CRT's don't care about resolution.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/987389


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[0roo0roo]

crts care plenty, especially crt tv's which almost never had scalers.
the only way this works is if the set top box can be set to output analog sd output. nothing else.

 

[redgtxdi]

crts care plenty, especially crt tv's which almost never had scalers.
the only way this works is if the set top box can be set to output analog sd output. nothing else.

But it already outputs Sd channels just fine. And if you read the posts in the link I attached, you'll see that others concur. There is no native resolution for CRT. The built-in tuner might not resolve the signal, but the signal sent from an STB should just be a rehash, no??

(FWIW, this TV was a hand-down from my sister who said she used to view HD on it all the time. She had Cox cable, I have Time Warner.)

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[0roo0roo]

the only thing they concur is that they set output to SD.

your sister is one of those folks who thinks she watched hd when she did not. her cable box was probably set to output SD, and that is what it did. many boxes can scale hd to sd, as those dtv converters do for broadcast.

 

[Dirigible]

CRTs are not able to just show any resolution you throw at it. For example, I have a CRT that can display a maximum resolution of 1080i. You are right that it has no "native" resolution, but that just means it can display resolutions lower than 1080i and still have everything look sharp. It can not display 1080p.

What exact TV do you have, OP? Look up the model online and find out what resolutions it can display.

 

[0roo0roo]

Well worse than that, many 1080i crt couldn't even display 1080i sharp. Their dot pitch was too coarse to really deliver that resolution, the spec is based on the scans of the electron gun in the back, as long as it went across 1080 times, it could be called 1080i. Didn't matter if it delivered mush though, and many cheap hd crt at the end of crt were of this type. At best those were edtv.

 

[redgtxdi]

OK, well, I almost got my eyes back there, but I'll surely kill myself & my wife can't support the other half of this 220lb beast so IIRC, it's this.......

Sony KV-36FS100 36" CRT WEGA

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-KV-36FS10.../dp/B00006YZ3Z

 

[novasatori]

http://www.sonystyle.com/wcsstore/So...d0a01f73fb.pdf

FD Trinitron WEGA Features
Y,Pb,Pr Inputs - A component video input connection for a superior picture quality (480i only).

There are no input formats listed besides that in the entire product manual.

I did see an infosheet somewhere that said versions with "Hi-Scan" could display 1080i, but I can't find any info about whether that is even a feature in the KV-36FS100 information sheet. Just says that the S100 has a single tuner and the S200 has a dual tuner with PIP.

 

[0roo0roo]

Component Video (Y/Pb/Pr) Input : 1 Rear
Composite Input : 1 Front/1 Rear
RF Input : 1 Rear
S-Video Input : 1 Rear

Thats a 480i tv
Your sister wasn't watching "HD"... I hope she didn't claim she was unimpressed with "HD" hehe

the s100 was not hi-scan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FD_Trinitron/WEGA
And anyways, those hiscan 1080i would be bs as I said, the dot pitch is too poor, at best it would display edtv delivered resolution, 1080i spec is a bit of a fib.
The super fine pitch sony models could approach 1080i, but those were far nicer, if you looked up close on those they had the smoothness of a computer monitor, not the crude looking blocks of phosphors of regular crt tv.

 

[redgtxdi]

That is definitely correct.

I'd say it's not the answer I wanted to hear, but now of course that means I get to go TV shopping!


I'll be sure to tell the wife I apologize in advance

Must watch this year's Master's in HD!!!!

 

[dclive]

You'll still see benefit to viewing a HD signal on a SD TV - it will look nicer than an analog OTA signal. I downconverted via SVideo to a SD TV for a little while and I always thought the HD signal, downconverted to SD, was far superior than an NTSC SD signal.

Note: 1080p downconverted o sVideo tbeing compared to NTSC OTA broadcast SD, not DVD 480p "SD" or whatnot.

 

[redgtxdi]

You'll still see benefit to viewing a HD signal on a SD TV - it will look nicer than an analog OTA signal. I downconverted via SVideo to a SD TV for a little while and I always thought the HD signal, downconverted to SD, was far superior than an NTSC SD signal.

Note: 1080p downconverted o sVideo tbeing compared to NTSC OTA broadcast SD, not DVD 480p "SD" or whatnot.

And maybe that's what was going on with my sister cuz she specifically said she would always choose the HD versions of the channels she watched when possible, but I don't know how she had it hooked up & I doubt she did either.



Nevertheless, I'm still shoppin' a new TV per my other thread.

 

[Matt1970]

Also a 36" TV SD signal will still look fine provided you have a good cable provider. You are now looking for a 47" and you are going to see a world of difference on a screen like that, to put it mildly.

 

[redgtxdi]

Also a 36" TV SD signal will still look fine provided you have a good cable provider. You are now looking for a 47" and you are going to see a world of difference on a screen like that, to put it mildly.

Just curious as to how you mean??

My $.02........

I will be giving up SD quality. Period. For years I argued this but fell prey to the "SD's just fine on a panel" crowd. Bought a Vizio 42" Plasma back in '05 & took it back 1 week later. SD TV on a panel sucks there's just no 2 ways about it.

Fast forward 6 years and IMO, there are enough HD channels now to justify. I can watch 90% of what I want to watch in HD vs 6 years ago when it was more like 50%. (or less)

And FWIW, even a 45-47" LCD won't really be that much different than my 36" CRT now. (http://www.screenmath.com)

 

[Ruger22C]

But, Red.. If you watch older shows such as growing pains or home improvement, it looks much better on a normal (640x480?) CRT TV.

 

[0roo0roo]

Well he just means it will look clean for an SD signal on an sd tv. Anything clean looks good say vs vhs....but that is a super low standard for today.

But any wide screen on a 36" looks pathetic by default. 33" hdtv is what it is.

Not sure whats up with screen math. a 47" is way way bigger than a 36" showing any wide screen material. The only area a 47" fails to impress is 4:3, if you want a 4:3 image larger, than you need 50" atleast. http://www.tvcalculator.com/

Anyways this is what real hd resolution looks like.

 

[0roo0roo]

But, Red.. If you watch older shows such as growing pains or home improvement, it looks much better on a normal (640x480?) CRT TV.

Not necessarily, the scalers are better now, and even if it is a little worse, it isn't a big deal..home improvement?.


And many shows are being remasterd for hd.

probablykinda blurry from a 720p mkv cap

 

[redgtxdi]

And I do love that the remastering is going on!

I still am a firm believer that SDTV sucks on an HDTV panel,(vs on an SD CRT) but again.......the whole reason I'll even consider a new TV is that there are enough HD channels around now that I'm MUCH better covered than 6 years ago.

***P.S. One more thing that's got me thinking lately ---------> I'm noticing more & more than even on SD broadcasts, the networks are starting to broadcast more & more 16:9 ONLY programming so that even though I'm not on the HD version of the channel, I'm still getting cut off on the sides!!! (Aids my decision vs 6 years ago, too)

 

[0roo0roo]

Its not so bad, 8 feet back from a big tv it looks ok, it isn't going to be pristene, but it is tolerable, in the way you tolerate youtube video.
The only intolerable is analog input from say an old dvd player or vhs, then it looks like youtube.

 

[redgtxdi]

Its not so bad, 8 feet back from a big tv it looks ok, it isn't going to be pristene, but it is tolerable, in the way you tolerate youtube video.
The only intolerable is analog input from say an old dvd player or vhs, then it looks like youtube.

Actually, even analog input from an old DVD player looks better than SD TV!!!

Heck, analog input from DVD looks pretty good, period.