Why Windows Vista Won't Suck

[stash]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
My favorite feature is the least priviledge execution stuff. It's like christmas. :heart:

Yep. Even admins are safer by default because users in the administrators group get a split token. When they log in, they are using a regular, lower priv token. When they need to do admin things, they get the consent UI and then the admin token is used.

 

[Canterwood]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
My favorite feature is the least priviledge execution stuff. It's like christmas. :heart:

A 'feature' which should have been implemented a long time ago.

 

[thegorx]

The name is Vista, that sounds like a lemon

If Vista is far more secure why isn't Microsoft offering it's new Windows Defender for free ?

 

[ExtremePVDman]

Originally posted by: Markbnj
A lot of comments being made in the forum to the effect that "Windows Vista is all eye candy," and other related sentiments. Here is a good overview of why that is probably not a supportable perspective. Enjoy.

I heard iz gonna be all 3D if you want it

 

[stash]

Originally posted by: Canterwood

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
My favorite feature is the least priviledge execution stuff. It's like christmas. :heart:

A 'feature' which should have been implemented a long time ago.

Ok, yeah we got that. Do you want to keep living in the past?

 

[Canterwood]

Originally posted by: stash

Originally posted by: Canterwood

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
My favorite feature is the least priviledge execution stuff. It's like christmas. :heart:

A 'feature' which should have been implemented a long time ago.

Ok, yeah we got that. Do you want to keep living in the past?

LOL!
Hardly. XP is still the current MS OS, and last time I looked it doesn't have this 'feature'!

When Vista eventually ships , then maybe you can accuse me of 'living in the past.'

 

[stash]

You said it should've been implemented a long time ago. It wasn't. Now it is. What is the problem here?

 

[spyordie007]

Originally posted by: thegorx
If Vista is far more secure why isn't Microsoft offering it's new Windows Defender for free ?

Windows Defender is an OS component; therefore you buy the OS you get Windows Defender.

There are also plans to release a (free) version for XP.

 

[Markbnj]

A 'feature' which should have been implemented a long time ago.

You could say that about any new development which improves people's lives. Heck, I think the Internet should have been implemented a long time ago. We really could have used it in the 60's (the non-DARPA public version, I mean).

In other words: cheap shot; move along; nothing to see here.

 

[pkme2]

In discussion with my fellow nerd herd, Windows Vista seem the obvious replacement to Windows x64. It seems the discussion fell on the fact that x64 possibly resembled Windows ME and with its seemingly fading support, we might see its obvious disappearance. We shall see....

The group is testing Longhorn and hopefully we will find a better setup for our video editing. Too early to tell. Maybe, Windows Vista might be what we're waiting for. 🙂

 

[thegorx]

Originally posted by: spyordie007

Originally posted by: thegorx
If Vista is far more secure why isn't Microsoft offering it's new Windows Defender for free ?

Windows Defender is an OS component; therefore you buy the OS you get Windows Defender.

There are also plans to release a (free) version for XP.

I've just read that it's not going to be free, it's going to be subscription based
$40 a year for up to 3 computers

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OOPS .... I guess that was the Anti-virus program

 

[nweaver]

Originally posted by: stash

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
My favorite feature is the least priviledge execution stuff. It's like christmas. :heart:

Yep. Even admins are safer by default because users in the administrators group get a split token. When they log in, they are using a regular, lower priv token. When they need to do admin things, they get the consent UI and then the admin token is used.

so like the default Ubuntu/Sudo setup it sounds like. That is nice, it is one of the things I love about Ubuntu. Now for the questions...(not flamebait) can you tune this for each user/group/command(executable)? i.e can I allow user1 access to cmd with his sudo password, but not user 2?

user1 can do an ipconfig using password
user2 cannot do one even with password, and admin gets a message (or event log at worst case) that user2 tried to?

 

[KoolDrew]

:thumbsup:

Thanks for the link!

 

[stash]

can you tune this for each user/group/command(executable)? i.e can I allow user1 access to cmd with his sudo password, but not user 2?

The consent UI does not prompt for a password. This is the UI that shows up when a user that is in the administrators group accesses something that requires administrative access.

The credUI is what shows up when a user who is NOT in the administrators group accesses something that requires administrative access. In the credUI, the user need to enter a username and password for an account that has permissions. So if the account that the user enters has permission (either by NTFS or group policy) to perform the action, they get in. Otherwise, they would get access denied.

 

[fr]

You should also be able to update most drivers without rebooting your system.

I remember reading the same thing about Windows 2000. How you should be able to reinstall most apps and drivers without rebooting. It didn't really happen, except for removable drives.

 

[hardcandy2]

So who is going to buy it and install it on the first day? Will you dual boot with XP at first? And who is buying hardware to be able to run Vista cleanly with all the options? Not counting the HD-DVD/Bluray digital protection scheme.
That is one reason I went ahead and built a new system- to be able to run Vista when it comes out.

 

[Markbnj]

I'm going to test it on a machine here at home as soon as it gets close to a release candidate. If it looks good I will be upgrading my kids' systems for Vista as soon as I can. I am bloody sick and tired of trying to keep crap off of them, and I'm really hoping Vista provides a solution.

 

[theMan]

i mean, im sure it will have plenty of improvents over the current OS, but to say that there wont be any annoying problems or bugs like any program has, is stupid. it wont be perfect.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: hardcandy2
So who is going to buy it and install it on the first day? Will you dual boot with XP at first? And who is buying hardware to be able to run Vista cleanly with all the options? Not counting the HD-DVD/Bluray digital protection scheme.
That is one reason I went ahead and built a new system- to be able to run Vista when it comes out.

It runs just fine on older hardware, it has scalable options you don't need to enable for lower end systems (like aero).

 

[spyordie007]

Originally posted by: fr

You should also be able to update most drivers without rebooting your system.

I remember reading the same thing about Windows 2000. How you should be able to reinstall most apps and drivers without rebooting. It didn't really happen, except for removable drives.

I recall the same sentiments... :roll:

To be fair though there were quite a few things you could do under 2K that did not require a restart which was differant than 9x (which may be what the comparisons were drawn to).

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: spyordie007

Originally posted by: fr

You should also be able to update most drivers without rebooting your system.

I remember reading the same thing about Windows 2000. How you should be able to reinstall most apps and drivers without rebooting. It didn't really happen, except for removable drives.

I recall the same sentiments... :roll:

To be fair though there were quite a few things you could do under 2K that did not require a restart which was differant than 9x (which may be what the comparisons were drawn to).

And put blame where it belongs in some cases (and more so in Vista). The device driver writers may not have implemented the installation correctly. MS has tried to make it easy, but the driver writer missed it. I sat through enough of the device installation and debug lectures to hear MS Win Qual folks talk about unneccessary restarts and then remind everyone to please also write the 64 bit version.

 

[nweaver]

2k versus 9x on reboots was a major point. Remember, with NT/9X you had to reboot after changing IP's


I'm going to finally get my MSDN crap figured out (have the sub, using my old disks and keys, boss has been to busy to figure out how to get the new ones activated) and download it for a dry run. I'm interested in the sudo type stuff...

doesn't sound as smooth as sudo, but that is based on a single post in a forum, I'll have to let you know how it goes.

 

[GMCUstom]

I will probably get it on day one. I am planning on building a new computer for it. I really don't plan on dual booting on it. I will still have an XP box around in case Vista doesn't work out as well as it should.