Why Windows 7 Sucks, or Microsoft Sucks?

[cheez]

Ha ha it's that time to talk about OSes again. You might as well enjoy it, why not?^_^


cheez's claim or question?:

Windows 7 sucks, or Microsoft sucks?


Supporting documentation:

If you rename the user profile folder (C:\users\Sam (example of the user)) to anything other than Sam and create a new folder called Sam for the user and you reboot or log off and log back on as the user, you will lose all data, anything you created or any settings you have made next time you log out and log back on. What Windows 7 does is instead of using the existing folder Sam (the one you created as a new folder) it creates a temp folder with security lock icon next to it. Any damn thing you saved or changed will all be lost next time you log back on (or reboot). Furthermore, if you *move* any files from old user folder to this temp folder, all that will be lost. What's worse? those lost data are not retriveable. We have several hundred dollar corporate class data recovery programs and none of them can retrieve. Gone forever, goodbye adios!~

This does not matter whether you are on the domain or local group (i.e. WORKGROUP).

This is very dangerous move by Microsoft. Whoever instructed the developers to program it in such way is like commiting a crime. This is act of evil. It has turned into evil operating system.

This is affected in following operating systems:

- Windows Vista
- Windows 7
- Server 2008

Operating systems not affected by this are:

- Windows 98/ME
- Windows 2000
- Windows XP
- Windows Server 2003


If you have doubt about my claim, try it for yourself. Anyone can replicate this if you have Windows 7 or Server 2008.

I am still trying to decide if Microsoft is gay or Windows 7 is gay, or I mean Windows Vista, oh I mean.. server 2008 (I hate admitting this).

This is a very serious matter.

Anyways, back to the good'ol famous reign-champ Server 2003 holds the crown. King of the super king operating systems.


:twisted:

 

[Genx87]

A. Why are you renaming the user folder?
B. Why would you manually create a new user folder and not let windows do it for you?

Sounds like the issue isnt microsoft. But the user behind the keyboard.

 

[LucJoe]

a. Why are you renaming the user folder?
B. Why would you manually create a new user folder and not let windows do it for you?

Sounds like the issue isnt microsoft. But the user behind the keyboard.

pebkac

 

[tcsenter]

Cliffs:

- When you muck with features of the OS intended to protect your user data, you might lose your user data

 

[cheez]

A. Why are you renaming the user folder?
B. Why would you manually create a new user folder and not let windows do it for you?

Sounds like the issue isnt microsoft. But the user behind the keyboard.

A. As an attempt to recover / restore user profile. It is one of the methods, and works fine on Windows XP or Server 2003.

B. I could do that, but once again, this step isn't needed in the older operating systems.


What's really bad is that the data is not retriveable. That falls under crime category. No, unhiding the hidden folders and accessing recycle bins do not work. Nor can the data recovery programs to retrieve them.

 

[cheez]

Microsoft should have incorporated a pop-up box warning that if you rename the user folder, all data will be lost under a temporary account that Windows creates automatically. Also making the files unretriveable is even worse. Microsoft should have programmed it so that these data can be found in either:

A). Trash can
B). Trash can in hidden folder
C). Windows built-in Data Recovery Programs.

This is more like crime because the data wasn't deleted by the user. Windows did it. So the fault goes to the Operating System. This is a serious matter, guys.


Well, anyways, this is something really important to bring up. Hope other windows users will find it useful.


Thank you,

 

[theevilsharpie]

Rebuttal:
If Windows is unable to create a user profile, it will pop up a warning at the time of logon stating that the user is logging in with a temporary account and all user changes would be lost.

In addition, your attempt to recover a user profile would have never worked in any version of Windows that I'm aware of. Renaming the user account is a valid method of retaining an existing profile, but attempting to create a new profile folder will prevent Windows from creating a profile, as Windows will not create a profile in a folder that the user doesn't have ownership over. Ironically, Windows behaves this way to avoid accidentally overwriting data in another user's profile.

Root cause:
Cheez' users permanently lost their data because of Cheez' ignorance of how Windows manages user profiles.

/thread

 

[Genx87]

A. As an attempt to recover / restore user profile. It is one of the methods, and works fine on Windows XP or Server 2003.

B. I could do that, but once again, this step isn't needed in the older operating systems.


What's really bad is that the data is not retriveable. That falls under crime category. No, unhiding the hidden folders and accessing recycle bins do not work. Nor can the data recovery programs to retrieve them.

You can rename the profile and get into the folder and recover the data. But you dont create a new folder with the accounts name. You let windows create the profile for you.
By creating that folder your prevented Windows from creating a profile. Which then logged them in with a temp profile. Any data saved during that session is lost when they log off.

 

[Fardringle]

I have to admit that I'm curious to know why you moved the users' files into the temporarily profile folder when you knew (Windows told you) that it was a temporary profile and nothing would be saved?

Honestly, everything that you did was fine except for creating the new user profile folder manually instead of letting Windows do it, and then copying the files into a folder that Windows told you would be erased/reset. If you had let Windows create the folder, your users would have working profiles and all of their data intact. And no, what you did would not have worked in Vista or XP either...

 

[DirkGently1]

P.i.c.n.i.c

 

[nemesismk2]

interesting topic, well worth researching cheez

 

[yinan]

Sir, you are an idiot. You are doing things completely wrong. If you think server 2003 is the greatest server OS out there, you are very misinformed. Try getting SMB 2.0 working on 2003. Want to cache a lot of data making a file server faster, good luck with that on 2003. Want to be secure, good luck with that.

You are intentionally not listening to what Windows is telling you.

 

[classy]

This issue is Windows 7 way of protecting the original users profile. To fix this is a very simple registry edit. Someone needed to read a book to learn how to support Windows 7.

 

[cheez]

Rebuttal:
If Windows is unable to create a user profile, it will pop up a warning at the time of logon stating that the user is logging in with a temporary account and all user changes would be lost.

I know that, but when I tested it it does not give you a pop-up box for any warning. You might want to try it for yourself. It is either a design flaw in the programming or Microsoft did this deliberately, which I hope is not.... I smell bug.

In addition, your attempt to recover a user profile would have never worked in any version of Windows that I'm aware of. Renaming the user account is a valid method of retaining an existing profile, but attempting to create a new profile folder will prevent Windows from creating a profile, as Windows will not create a profile in a folder that the user doesn't have ownership over.

Well, they are just files, mostly Microsoft Office documents (Excel spreadsheet and PowerPoint) under MyDocuments. Once you *move* them from an existing user profile folder to a temp folder, they are gone forever. No retrieving will be successful.

 

[yinan]

It does do this, it is a bubble from the system tray area. Why would you have to do something like this anyway. It is not a flaw in Windows it is a flaw in you.

 

[cheez]

I have to admit that I'm curious to know why you moved the users' files into the temporarily profile folder when you knew (Windows told you) that it was a temporary profile and nothing would be saved?

At the time I didn't know Windows creates the user folder as "temp". I presumed that Windows was using the folder I created.

Windows does not give you a prompt of any warning messages when you do this. That is the problem. Try it for yourself. I was able to replicate this problem on different PC's with Windows 7 and Server 2008 for testing.

If you had let Windows create the folder, your users would have working profiles and all of their data intact. And no, what you did would not have worked in Vista or XP either...

It works fine on Windows XP. You can rename existing user profile folder and create a new one for the same user. Log off and log back on and voila.. you get a brand new fresh working profile. All settings and files you save in this new profile retains..

 

[cheez]

interesting topic, well worth researching cheez

Thanks..

Sir, you are an idiot. You are doing things completely wrong. If you think server 2003 is the greatest server OS out there, you are very misinformed. Try getting SMB 2.0 working on 2003. Want to cache a lot of data making a file server faster, good luck with that on 2003. Want to be secure, good luck with that.

I guess I deserve some with name calling since I was saying how sucks or ghey the Windows 7 or Microsoft is... I really can't complain.^_^ Server 2003 is very secure, at least better than Windows XP and anything older. Anyways, that's beside the point.

You are intentionally not listening to what Windows is telling you.

Yes, the proper way is to go into user accounts under control panel or computer management and change there but time was money. And we thought it works the same as on Windows XP... No warning, no nothing, hence we didn't know. I checked with my fellow I.T. members and they didn't know about this either.

This issue is Windows 7 way of protecting the original users profile. To fix this is a very simple registry edit. Someone needed to read a book to learn how to support Windows 7.

I can see that. Anyways, from the data loss, we didn't get too much hit as the client is supposed to save all his files over the network, not in local PC.... Just giving you guys a heads up.

 

[classy]

Thanks..


I guess I deserve some with name calling since I was saying how sucks or ghey the Windows 7 or Microsoft is... I really can't complain.^_^ Server 2003 is very secure, at least better than Windows XP and anything older. Anyways, that's beside the point.


Yes, the proper way is to go into user accounts under control panel or computer management and change there but time was money. And we thought it works the same as on Windows XP... No warning, no nothing, hence we didn't know. I checked with my fellow I.T. members and they didn't know about this either.



I can see that. Anyways, from the data loss, we didn't get too much hit as the client is supposed to save all his files over the network, not in local PC.... Just giving you guys a heads up.

At least your losses were minimized. See this is what happens when you hire folks who aren't schooled in the ninja ways of the MCSE, lol. You know you gotta read the damn books, hehehehe. But its all good, we all have made mistakes and the bright side is we will continue to do so. At least you didn't lose a Raid 6 array and had no backups. Yes I did that

 

[her209]

Windows 7 auto-sort feature in Explorer is annoying as hell.

 

[dpodblood]

Windows is homosexual because you don't know how to use it? Congrats your both immature and unskilled!

 

[airdata]

user error accounts for windows 7 sucking. Interesting.

 

[corkyg]

'S funny - none of this has ever happened on any of my systems. But, the discussion is interesting when you filter out the flames, etc.

 

[dpodblood]

ID10T error.