Why we don't mess with NK

[Zebo]

From COL. Hackworth

Because North Korea - with its nukes, long-range missiles and a million armed-to-the teeth, fanatically obedient soldiers forward-deployed on South Korea's border and backed up by almost 8 million reservists - ain't a military pussycat like Iraq. The North Korean army has almost 40,000 cannons, mortars and missiles right behind its DMZ foxholes that are capable of pummeling the 14 million citizens of Seoul, the U.S. 2nd Infantry Division and elements of the South Korean army with 10,000 rounds a minute for at least eight hours with surprise preparatory fire.

Then there are 100,000 Special Forces soldiers prepped to infiltrate through existing tunnels burrowed under the DMZ as well as by air and sea - a commando drill they've consistently been doing since and despite the 1953 Korean War cease-fire.

Unfortunately, in addition to a reported 7,000 antiquated tanks, the Reds also have tons of bio/chem weapons. If these poisons and nukes are used, it's predicted that the prevailing winds will carry toxic clouds all the way to southern Japan.

True, South Korea has one of the toughest armies in the world, which it proved during the Vietnam War. But in the first few hours of this horror show, a big chunk of its 5-million-man-plus army deployed along the DMZ would be destroyed along with most of our 2nd Infantry Division - just as they were in November 1950.

Although U.S. smart weapons would soon blow North Korea back to the Stone Age, and the mechanized and reserve units that made it through the initial assault - coupled with American reinforcements - would eventually defeat the kamikazes from the north, it would be a sorry Pyrrhic victory in which the survivors from both sides would envy the dead.

Will this crisis come to such a war? When dealing with the unpredictable Hermit Kingdom, who knows? But if it does, countless millions will die, and both Japan and South Korea will be worse off than Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August 1945

 

[wnied]

Well I think you miss the big picture here...We arent screwing with North Korea because theres nothing in North Korea worth screwing with them for.

No resources, no attack.
~wnied~

Now if they decide to sell some of that nuclear equipment or missile technology to someone of "unfavorable" status in the world community....then the gloves come off and Korea be damned. All of Southern Asia will burn.

 

[Dragnov]

We'll mess with them as soon as they really do become close to getting nuclear weapons. Until then, play along.

 

[Zipp]

We are keeping an eye on them though.

Link

 

[UDT89]

I like how rumsfeld says were not distracted by iraq. Well while we were all gossiping if Clinton was right or wrong, we let a lot get past us. I think fighting Iraq and trying to keep our eyes on N Korea is a hard task.


Glad im not the president. Doesnt seem like there are many easy/good solutions to these problems

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Because Bush is still trying to find it on a map of Florida.

 

[ElDonAntonio]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
We'll mess with them as soon as they really do become close to getting nuclear weapons. Until then, play along.

?????? Have you been living under a rock??

 

[Damage]

And this explains your theory of what? Or prooves your point about what? Cmon Carbo, tell us about how great the commie/socialist army will roll over everyone...?

 

[duke]

We don't mess with North Korea because 1) they probably already have the bomb and 2) we don't want to mess with China. A unilateral move against the north will be greeted with an unfavorable Chinese response. The only solution is diplomacy where China puts it's biatch back in its place.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: ElDonAntonio

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
We'll mess with them as soon as they really do become close to getting nuclear weapons. Until then, play along.

?????? Have you been living under a rock??

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Damage
And this explains your theory of what? Or prooves your point about what? Cmon Carbo, tell us about how great the commie/socialist army will roll over everyone...?

I tought that should be clear enough for even you.

Means were hipocrites. Means were bullies. Means If you have nukes you're safe. I'm a big second amendment supporter, seems the thoery self determination, self preservation and self protection holds true with nukes as well. That's all. The warriors will be all dead soon.

BTW socialists have no armies but then you knew that.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Because Bush is still trying to find it on a map of Florida.

nah, i'm sure his bro would hook him up. one of those free ones from the visitor center on I10.

 

[MinorityReport]

Originally posted by: wnied
Well I think you miss the big picture here...We arent screwing with North Korea because theres nothing in North Korea worth screwing with them for.

No resources, no attack.
~wnied~

Now if they decide to sell some of that nuclear equipment or missile technology to someone of "unfavorable" status in the world community....then the gloves come off and Korea be damned. All of Southern Asia will burn.

Southern Asia ? How ? When ? Why ?

Did you see where NK/Japan/China are loacted ?

Wish you paid more attention in geography class bubba.

 

[Dragnov]

Originally posted by: ElDonAntonio

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
We'll mess with them as soon as they really do become close to getting nuclear weapons. Until then, play along.

?????? Have you been living under a rock??

No, I just analyze what is being told instead of taking everything straight on as fact.

Honestly, do you think the US would keep tensions high with North Korea if they actually had nuclear weapons? A military buildup and refusals to talk diplomatically sure ain't the way I think to relieve tensions with a nuclear threat. Sending a carrier or two to the Pacific sure as hell won't encourage the idea to not use nuclear weapons and that the US has no plans on military use in NK.

I have no doubts NK wants nuclear weapons and is in the process of doing so, how else would they ensure themselves from an outside threat? The US has already shown that it has no problems invading other sovereign countries. I also have no doubts the US will try and make sure that goal of NK nuclear weapons is never achieved. The only reason we don't act now is because we're busy enough w/ Iraq and the other major South Eastern Asian countries involved.

China sure as hell doesn't want the US there. Russia wouldn't be too pleased either. South Korea for sure and possible Japan will be affected drastically.

I'm guessing in about 2-3 years the US will act (right before or after Bush is reelected). Possibly attempt an assination. Persuade the military to not follow orders. Somehow influence the people of NK to help fight against the government. I dunno, I'm just talking out my @ss right here as I haven't given it that much thought... neither have the people in power. Its not that they dont realize the potential threat or don't care as idiots are proclaiming, but it's just not the major issue at hand right now...

Theres no economic benefit for invading NK, nor will it help international relations. However, if they were becoming an actual nuclear threat do you think the US would just stand by and watch?

Once those in power weigh the benefits of taking any action, we will see. It's not just ecomics, but also casualties, international relations, showing power and control, maintaining top super power status, etc etc. It's all politics.

 

[Dufman]

Originally posted by: wnied
Well I think you miss the big picture here...We arent screwing with North Korea because theres nothing in North Korea worth screwing with them for.

No resources, no attack.
~wnied~

Now if they decide to sell some of that nuclear equipment or missile technology to someone of "unfavorable" status in the world community....then the gloves come off and Korea be damned. All of Southern Asia will burn.

well, well put

 

[FenrisUlf]

Originally posted by: duke
We don't mess with North Korea because 1) they probably already have the bomb and 2) we don't want to mess with China. A unilateral move against the north will be greeted with an unfavorable Chinese response. The only solution is diplomacy where China puts it's biatch back in its place.

Errr...China doesn't support NK to any extent anymore. Why? Well, Kim Jong-Il, in technical terms, is a "nutbag". China has nothing to gain from North Korea, in fact, China is negatively impacted by the numerous refugees from starving North Korea. On the other hand, South Korea is a major trading partner with China, something that China doesn't want to give up. China does have a "mutual self-defense" treaty with NK, but would probably find an excuse to back out if it came to war. China would rather deal with SK than NK.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: MinorityReport

Originally posted by: wnied
Well I think you miss the big picture here...We arent screwing with North Korea because theres nothing in North Korea worth screwing with them for.

No resources, no attack.
~wnied~

Now if they decide to sell some of that nuclear equipment or missile technology to someone of "unfavorable" status in the world community....then the gloves come off and Korea be damned. All of Southern Asia will burn.

Southern Asia ? How ? When ? Why ?

Did you see where NK/Japan/China are loacted ?

Wish you paid more attention in geography class bubba.

lol pwned!

 

[dabuddha]

Good read

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Damage
And this explains your theory of what? Or prooves your point about what? Cmon Carbo, tell us about how great the commie/socialist army will roll over everyone...?

I tought that should be clear enough for even you.

Means were hipocrites. Means were bullies. Means If you have nukes you're safe. I'm a big second amendment supporter, seems the thoery self determination, self preservation and self protection holds true with nukes as well. That's all. The warriors will be all dead soon.

BTW socialists have no armies but then you knew that.

So, because Iraq has invaded two other countries in the past and is currently in violation of 17 UN resolutions while North Korea is not, the U.S. is hypocritical and bullying? Because North Korea is using this ploy to get more oil and food donations while Iraq genuinely poses a threat to the region of the world that can have disastrous effects for the entire world, the U.S. is hypocritical and bullying?

C'mon, really. I love this argument by the anti-war folks because it can't hold its water in the face of reality. They will say anything to be against regime change in Iraq even if it makes for a poor argument.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: MinorityReport

Originally posted by: wnied
Well I think you miss the big picture here...We arent screwing with North Korea because theres nothing in North Korea worth screwing with them for.

No resources, no attack.
~wnied~

Now if they decide to sell some of that nuclear equipment or missile technology to someone of "unfavorable" status in the world community....then the gloves come off and Korea be damned. All of Southern Asia will burn.

Southern Asia ? How ? When ? Why ?

Did you see where NK/Japan/China are loacted ?

Wish you paid more attention in geography class bubba.

lol pwned!

WTF is pwned. is that pawned misspelled?? hmm but that doesn't make any sense. Pawned??

if your trying to say OWNED, why don't you just spell it correctly??

 

[jahawkin]

Originally posted by: dabuddha
Good read

From article: "He doesn't mean that we'll negotiate with North Korea. What would be the point of that? They don't keep their treaties anyway."
Wrong. Clinton negotiated with the North Koreans, and it worked. Then Bush came in, used the Nixonian madman stategy, and now we're in the mess we're now.
Anyways, perhaps this is the reason we don't mess with NK. 😛

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: jahawkin

Originally posted by: dabuddha
Good read

From article: "He doesn't mean that we'll negotiate with North Korea. What would be the point of that? They don't keep their treaties anyway."
Wrong. Clinton negotiated with the North Koreans, and it worked. Then Bush came in, used the Nixonian madman stategy, and now we're in the mess we're now.
Anyways, perhaps this is the reason we don't mess with NK. 😛

I didn't realize that Bush was in office during the 90s while North Korea was covertly developing their nuclear weapons program after signing the treaty.

 

[Michael]

I travel to South Korea a few times every year.

North Korea is saying what it has been saying for ever.

It is being reported now, but there really isn't any difference this year compared to 10 years ago.

North Korea does not have the resources to fight a sustained war. South Korea has a pretty good army and would counter attack with huge amounts of firepower as well.

North Korea can attack either China or South Korea, and neither is resource rich or would completely change the world order (other than China nuking them into the stone age). Containment makes sense here, especially since there is a good chance to country will collapse without much more pushing.

North Korea has already proven that it ignores treaties, so the "appeasement" strategy that was used in the 90's will not work.

Michael

 

[308nato]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: jahawkin

Originally posted by: dabuddha
Good read

From article: "He doesn't mean that we'll negotiate with North Korea. What would be the point of that? They don't keep their treaties anyway."
Wrong. Clinton negotiated with the North Koreans, and it worked. Then Bush came in, used the Nixonian madman stategy, and now we're in the mess we're now.
Anyways, perhaps this is the reason we don't mess with NK. 😛

I didn't realize that Bush was in office during the 90s while North Korea was covertly developing their nuclear weapons program after signing the treaty.

I didn't either.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: jahawkin
Wrong. Clinton negotiated with the North Koreans, and it worked. Then Bush came in, used the Nixonian madman stategy, and now we're in the mess we're now.

Wow.. just, wow. Someone needs to be hit upside the head with a clue bat.

Please explain how Clinton's negotiations with the North Koreans "worked", because had they truly "worked", there wouldn't be an issue now.