Why was Ronald Reagan considered a great Pres?

[s0me0nesmind1]

Remind me, who was the guy who said "I am the decider"?

You just can't help but being wrong on literally every single subject, can you?

PolitiFact - Lizza says Obama has bombed more nations than Bush

The irony of President Barack Obama, Nobel Prize winner and putative anti-war candidate, launching extensive airstrikes

www.politifact.com

 

[MichaelMay]

PolitiFact - Lizza says Obama has bombed more nations than Bush

The irony of President Barack Obama, Nobel Prize winner and putative anti-war candidate, launching extensive airstrikes

www.politifact.com

Oh, the standard "look over there" tactic when the facts you presented were shown to be false?

Who invaded Iraq for absolutely no reason and who is a war criminal responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians for NO REASON?

Is it;

A: Mahatma Ghandi
B: Colonel Sanders
C: "The Decider" AKA GW "can't be fooled again" Bush

It's C, I knew you wouldn't get it and I don't want to respond further to your imbecilic excuses so I helped you out on this very hard question.

 

[Juiblex]

I was pretty young when Reagan was elected. But I remember that everything was kind of dumpy prior. Dilapidated neighborhoods. After he left office, not as much. While all of the liberals cry about trickle down, there was an upgrade across the board in the neighborhoods in the region I lived. Much more so than any other time by any other elected official.

Also the music and movies were great in that era. Maybe people were happy?

Does 'raygun' get any credit for anything? Tuff crowd.

 

[ivwshane]

I was pretty young when Reagan was elected. But I remember that everything was kind of dumpy prior. Dilapidated neighborhoods. After he left office, not as much. While all of the liberals cry about trickle down, there was an upgrade across the board in the neighborhoods in the region I lived. Much more so than any other time by any other elected official.

Also the music and movies were great in that era. Maybe people were happy?

Does 'raygun' get any credit for anything? Tuff crowd.

Well shit! If you think poverty decreased under Reagan or that he had some effect on your regions dumpiness then it must be true!

/s


Thanks for the feels though.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I was in class when his inauguration started and I remember the Iranian hostages being allowed to leave the airport as he said he'd bomb Iran if they didn't let them go. Then ollie started the Iran Contra affair so IDK....

 

[mect]

Lol the middle class has crumbled more in the last 6 months from our Covid response alone.

Feed the plebian poor to be dependent upon the government, and always feed the rich that pay your bills. It's the American political party way.

But don't worry, they CARE about you. They tell you that. They don't actually do so, but it's the thought that counts, right?

Please provide data establishing the crumble of the middle class during the past six months. Furthermore, describe how the Covid response in the last 6 months has changed at the federal level compared the previous congress and administration, and propose a causal link for how those policy changes have caused the middle class to crumble.

 

[uclaLabrat]

You said automatic transmission and yet I still read it as "autocratic".

 

[pauldun170]

I was in class when his inauguration started and I remember the Iranian hostages being allowed to leave the airport as he said he'd bomb Iran if they didn't let them go. Then ollie started the Iran Contra affair so IDK....

Ignoring Right wing narratives, lets look at what's typically tossed around when discussing The Iran Hostage Crisis.


- President Jimmy Carter was unable to diplomatically resolve the crisis, and on April 24, 1980, he ordered a disastrous rescue mission in which eight U.S. military personnel were killed and no hostages rescued. Three months later, the former shah died of cancer in Egypt, but the crisis continued.
- In November 1980, Carter lost the presidential election to Republican Ronald Reagan.
- On the day of Reagan’s inauguration, the Hostages were freed

Now lets go into further detail

- President Jimmy Carter was unable to diplomatically resolve the crisis, and on April 24, 1980, he ordered a disastrous rescue mission in which eight U.S. military personnel were killed and no hostages rescued. Three months later, the former shah died of cancer in Egypt, but the crisis continued.
- Something some might consider fucking significant - September 22, 1980, when Iraqi armed forces invaded western Iran along the countries’ joint border .
- In November 1980, Carter lost the presidential election to Republican Ronald Reagan.
- Soon after, with the assistance of Algerian intermediaries, successful negotiations began between the United States and Iran.
- On the day of Reagan’s inauguration, the United States freed almost $8 billion in frozen Iranian assets, and the hostages were released after 444 days.
- The next day, Jimmy Carter flew to West Germany to greet the Americans on their way home.

Now lets go further
- President Jimmy Carter was unable to diplomatically resolve the crisis, and on April 24, 1980, he ordered a disastrous rescue mission in which eight U.S. military personnel were killed and no hostages rescued. Three months later, the former shah died of cancer in Egypt, but the crisis continued.
- Something some might consider fucking significant - September 22, 1980, when Iraqi armed forces invaded western Iran along the countries’ joint border .
- In November 1980, Carter lost the presidential election to Republican Ronald Reagan.
- Soon after, with the assistance of Algerian intermediaries, successful negotiations began between the United States and Iran.
-On January 19, 1981, the US and Iran signed the Algiers Accords, an agreement brokered by the Algerian government that secured the hostages' release in exchange for concessions by the US, including sanctions relief, the release of frozen Iranian assets, and the creation of the Iran–United States Claims Tribunal that would remove cases against Iran from US courts.
- On the day of Reagan’s inauguration, the United States freed almost $8 billion in frozen Iranian assets, and the hostages were released after 444 days.
- The next day, Jimmy Carter flew to West Germany to greet the Americans on their way home.

The Hostages were freed due to negotiations between the Carter administration and the Iranian Government with the help of the Algerian government.
Reagan had ZERO to do with the hostages being freed
Fucking Zero.

You can thank Saddam Hussein for forcing an unstable, shakey new Iranian Government's hand in their need for $$$$ to fight a war for negotiations finally gaining traction.

It seemed within reach. After months of negotiations the United States had agreed to release several billion dollars in Iranian gold and bank assets, frozen in American banks just after the seizure of the embassy. The government of Iran, now involved in a war with neighboring Iraq, was desperate for money and therefore seemed willing to release the hostages.10 The Iranians refused to communicate directly with the president, or any other American, so Algeria had agreed to act as an intermediary. This arrangement slowed down the negotiating process. As Carter recalled, "The Iranians, who spoke Persian, would talk only with the Algerians, who spoke French. Any question or proposal of mine had to be translated twice as it went from Washington to Algiers to Tehran, and then the answers and counterproposals had to come back to me over the same slow route."11 Much of the money involved was being held in overseas branches of twelve American banks, so Carter, his cabinet, and staff were constantly on the phone to London, Istanbul, Bonn, and other world capitals to work out the financial details.

Jimmy Carter had come back to the Oval Office from a "working weekend" at Camp David that Sunday, January 18. Except for a few breaks, he remained in that office until fifteen minutes before the Reagans arrived to begin the inaugural ceremonies. Every force within the government that Carter controlled was poised to accomplish the mission, and now it seemed possible. Carter had already talked to personnel at the U. S. military hospital in Wiesbaden, West Germany, where the hostages would stay for a few days before "re-entry" into the United States. The president hoped to greet them there before his term was out.
Then came a series of small, nerve-racking crises that slowed down the process. At one time that last Sunday, Lloyd Cutler, one of the White House attorneys, told the president there was a delay in the transfer of assets–the Federal Reserve Bank of New York did not have its part of the money! Fortunately, funds were shifted among the reserve banks and the problem was solved. Another difficulty concerned the time difference between Washington and Tehran. Because of the war with Iraq, the Iranian officials had blackouts of airport lights. This meant that once it got dark in Iran (about 9:30 a.m. Washington time), even if the deal had been sealed, the Algerian pilots would not take off until dawn. Thus, if the departure time passed, everyone understood that it would be another eight to ten hours before anything could happen. Work continued through a long night. About 2:00 a.m., the president ordered blankets from the White House steward, and he and Cutler each stretched out on a couch to rest while they waited for news from the negotiations.12 Sometime in the early morning, word came that the planes were on the runway in Tehran, and the hostages had been taken to the vicinity of the airport. The Algerians had even agreed to depart after dark if it was absolutely necessary. Finally, the phone call came through. "We have a deal," Jimmy Carter said, beaming. Someone popped a bottle of champagne. At 4:44 a.m. Carter went to the press briefing room to announce that with the help of Algeria the United States and Iran had reached an agreement.13 Certain "implementation" steps in the agreement needed to be settled, and the hostages would be free.

Of course the counter argument is "If you talk with swagger people will just drop panties"

Others would point out

First, in mid-August Iran finally installed a new government, and the Carter administration immediately sought to extend diplomatic overtures. Second, on September 22 Iraq invaded Iran. Although the subsequent Iran-Iraq War (1980–88) distracted Iranian officials from hostage negotiations in the short term, the embargo continued to wear away at the Iranian economy and the country’s ability to stave off Iraqi forces. Likewise, when Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Ali Rajaʾi visited the United Nations in October, numerous world leaders made it clear to him that Iran could not expect support in the Iraq conflict as long as it held the U.S. hostages.

As a consequence, Iranian officials engaged in negotiations with renewed vigour. Rajaʾi insisted that there be no direct negotiations, however, and Algerian diplomats acted as middlemen throughout the remainder of the process. Negotiations continued throughout late 1980 and early 1981, during which time the Iranian demands centred largely on releasing frozen Iranian assets and lifting the trade embargo.

 

[ondma]

I never understood the love for Reagan either, even among republicans. Just a senile figurehead, basically.
I actually think his term was the beginning of the huge divide in the country. Before him, even though Nixon was a sleaze ball, overall, we still had some degree of co-operation between the parties. I think the Reagan administration was when the evangelicals really came on board with the Republicans.

 

[pauldun170]

I never understood the love for Reagan either, even among republicans. Just a senile figurehead, basically.
I actually think his term was the beginning of the huge divide in the country. Before him, even though Nixon was a sleaze ball, overall, we still had some degree of co-operation between the parties. I think the Reagan administration was when the evangelicals really came on board with the Republicans.

The Civil Rights act united all sorts of trash with the Evangelicals taking the helm in implementing strategies that embraced the Evangelical idea of what the US should be.

From 1980

Many evangelicals are disillusioned by what they see as President Carter's failure to actively oppose legalized abortion, homosexual rights, and the Equal Rights Amendment.

THE EVANGELICAL VOTE AND THE PRESIDENCY

Twenty years ago the "religion question" in the US presidential election was whether a Roman Catholic could be elected. This year the que

www.csmonitor.com

The shift 1960-1970's in the American parties where Conservative assholes down south jumped ship from the Democratic party and hijacked the Republican party.

What happened in that period as a reaction to (clutches pearls) "Equal Rights and Treatment of Blacks and Women" mirrors what happened in recent history where the reaction to (clutches pearls) "a Black President, a bunch of male gays in public who dare walk around like its normal and all these minorities on TV" led certain people thinking that Trump was someone who should represent the US.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I always enjoys Paul's in depth dives. I often think "pauldun it again"

 

[Commodus]

There's certainly not a lot of love for Reagan from the Black community, and for good reason. He demonized their less fortunate and arguably created more crime than he ended.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Ronnie

Fairness

Newt

Fox

Donnie

 

[nickqt]

Ronnie

Fairness

Newt

Fox

Donnie

You left out King Shitbird Limbaugh.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

If you didn't know anything about Reagan but listened to a few of his speeches, you might find him warm, charming, intelligent, caring, and someone we could trust. Dude could speech.

 

[ivwshane]

If you didn't know anything about Reagan but listened to a few of his speeches, you might find him warm, charming, intelligent, caring, and someone we could trust. Dude could speech.

And that’s about all he was, charming.

 

[Commodus]

If you didn't know anything about Reagan but listened to a few of his speeches, you might find him warm, charming, intelligent, caring, and someone we could trust. Dude could speech.

One of the biggest problems with American politics, and arguably politics as a whole, is that people tend to mistake the superficial gloss of a public speaking style for actual substance. Obama is one of the few who could generally match his oratory skills with sound (though not spectacular) policy. Reagan talked a big game, but he clearly had a lot of policy problems (Iran-Contra, Star Wars, the "war on drugs," to name a few).

On that note: I'm still baffled at how people are drawn to Trump for his public speaking. I mean, I understand how — that gullible people think he's "telling it like it is" because they're used to the careful rhetoric of actual politicians — I just don't know how people fall for it. It's obvious that he's just lying very plainly, and delivering childish insults. They confuse volume and meanness for truth.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

On that note: I'm still baffled at how people are drawn to Trump for his public speaking. I mean, I understand how — that gullible people think he's "telling it like it is"

Same way the Carnival Barkers could get you inside the midway tents to see a real blade of grass behind there, behind the glass.

Or how people lost their life savings to Madoff, or got rooked into things like Amway.

 

[IronWing]

If you didn't know anything about Reagan but listened to a few of his speeches, you might find him warm, charming, intelligent, caring, and someone we could trust. Dude could speech.

Charming, but only if you didn't know he was lying, the lyingest liar to lay down a lie up until Trump (even W didn't lie like Reagan). If you did know that he was a pathological liar then the charming delivery just raised the level of revulsion.

 

[Commodus]

Same way the Carnival Barkers could get you inside the midway tents to see a real blade of grass behind there, behind the glass.

Or how people lost their life savings to Madoff, or got rooked into things like Amway.

True, it's a combination of showmanship with exploiting people's hopes. You, too, will one day become rich, so please trust this corrupt (self-proclaimed) billionaire while he enacts policies that help rich people at the expense of everyone else.

 

[Vic]

Another issue Reagan was wrong about was the Panama Canal. He ranted and ranted against handing the canal back to the Panamanian govt. However, had the US kept the canal, then it would have been the American taxpayers that would have had to pay for all the necessary improvements to it.

 

[MrSquished]